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 Posted: Fri Aug 17th, 2018 06:52 am
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I've always thought that the screwy way he lost the belt to the Iron Shiek was a thank you for a great run and a way to keep him strong. Definitely a great champ, just based upon his sustained drawing power.



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There was an episode of All Star Wrestling in 1983 where Vince Jr. buried the fuck out of him, while he was still champion.



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What did he say?

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WongLee wrote: srossi wrote: Dr. Strangelove wrote: Bob Backlund is lot like wrestling's version of Larry Holmes, who was a great champion in his own right, but got caught between two of its biggest stars: Sammartino (Ali) and Hogan (Tyson). It's hard not to look lackluster or boring when compared to those two.
Very true, although I wonder where Morales ranks compared to Backlund then in the minds of WWWF fans of the time.Apples and bananas (I hate that cliche). Morales popularity was ethnically based, as was Sammartino. As I've said on here numerous times in the past, Pete's best work is lost in time. The majority of tape on him is during his IC run where he had definitely slowed down a step but could still come up with great matches against elite level workers like Muraco and Valentine. During his run with the WWWF strap, Pedro had a three pronged game of chain wrestling, high spots, and brawling. He was a far better wrestler than Sammartino and a more charismatic babyface than Backlund.

Great analogy by Peter Sellers there.

How did regular non ethnic fans view Morales in the 70s?



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silentkiller wrote: WongLee wrote: srossi wrote: Dr. Strangelove wrote: Bob Backlund is lot like wrestling's version of Larry Holmes, who was a great champion in his own right, but got caught between two of its biggest stars: Sammartino (Ali) and Hogan (Tyson). It's hard not to look lackluster or boring when compared to those two.
Very true, although I wonder where Morales ranks compared to Backlund then in the minds of WWWF fans of the time.Apples and bananas (I hate that cliche). Morales popularity was ethnically based, as was Sammartino. As I've said on here numerous times in the past, Pete's best work is lost in time. The majority of tape on him is during his IC run where he had definitely slowed down a step but could still come up with great matches against elite level workers like Muraco and Valentine. During his run with the WWWF strap, Pedro had a three pronged game of chain wrestling, high spots, and brawling. He was a far better wrestler than Sammartino and a more charismatic babyface than Backlund.

Great analogy by Peter Sellers there.

How did regular non ethnic fans view Morales in the 70s?This sounds crazy but I consider it to be true. Pedro would sell out the Garden every month and roughly 21,000 seats were filled. Believe it or not, these were mostly the same people month after month. There weren't that many wrestling fans in New York City. It sounds crazy but I felt redeemed 30 years later when I read an interview with Mike Lebell saying how he was reluctant to run the Los Angeles Coliseum for Blassie and Tolos because he didn't think there were 25,000 wrestling fans in L.A. The two biggest cities in the United States both did great business but had zero growth.

The folks who came to the Garden for Pedro's matches were overwhelmingly Hispanic. Same thing for Sunnyside Garden and Westchester County Center. I saw defenses in those three buildings and let's just say, it's a good thing Trump wasn't in office or he would have built walls around each of those buildings and made Manuel Soto pay for it.

My point is, Pedro was immensely popular amongst his people and it was overwhelmingly his people that were going to the shows. Even with non-Hispanics, Pedro was very popular and considered a good champion.

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A question I always wondered about, as I didn't grow up in NYC and didn't see WWF until Hogan came in and Vince syndicated...


When Backlund went to the wrestling singlet and the buzz cut, did those two changes happen at the same time, or was one before the other? Also, was there an angle surrounding this? It seems like it was a tremendous opportunity for him to lose a hair match and work that into the story. And then maybe he would choose to keep a buzz cut as time went on.

Or did he just show up one day looking completely different on tv with no reason?



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Blazer wrote: A question I always wondered about, as I didn't grow up in NYC and didn't see WWF until Hogan came in and Vince syndicated...


When Backlund went to the wrestling singlet and the buzz cut, did those two changes happen at the same time, or was one before the other? Also, was there an angle surrounding this? It seems like it was a tremendous opportunity for him to lose a hair match and work that into the story. And then maybe he would choose to keep a buzz cut as time went on.

Or did he just show up one day looking completely different on tv with no reason?

Just no reason If I am remembering right. 



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bpickering wrote: Blazer wrote: A question I always wondered about, as I didn't grow up in NYC and didn't see WWF until Hogan came in and Vince syndicated...


When Backlund went to the wrestling singlet and the buzz cut, did those two changes happen at the same time, or was one before the other? Also, was there an angle surrounding this? It seems like it was a tremendous opportunity for him to lose a hair match and work that into the story. And then maybe he would choose to keep a buzz cut as time went on.

Or did he just show up one day looking completely different on tv with no reason?

Just no reason If I am remembering right. 
Yes and no. Now remember this is only what I can remember out of my drug addled memory. While it wasn't an angle per se, Bob was really stressing aerobic conditioning in the form of the Harvard Step Test. He was also stressing amateur wrestling for kids therefore the singlet. The haircut. Who's to say.



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Blazer wrote: A question I always wondered about, as I didn't grow up in NYC and didn't see WWF until Hogan came in and Vince syndicated...


When Backlund went to the wrestling singlet and the buzz cut, did those two changes happen at the same time, or was one before the other? Also, was there an angle surrounding this? It seems like it was a tremendous opportunity for him to lose a hair match and work that into the story. And then maybe he would choose to keep a buzz cut as time went on.

Or did he just show up one day looking completely different on tv with no reason?

He did it because he talked to Karl Gotch and he suggested that he stopped lifting weights and just do cardio. I think that killed his career more then anything.

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freebirdsforever2001 wrote: Blazer wrote: A question I always wondered about, as I didn't grow up in NYC and didn't see WWF until Hogan came in and Vince syndicated...


When Backlund went to the wrestling singlet and the buzz cut, did those two changes happen at the same time, or was one before the other? Also, was there an angle surrounding this? It seems like it was a tremendous opportunity for him to lose a hair match and work that into the story. And then maybe he would choose to keep a buzz cut as time went on.

Or did he just show up one day looking completely different on tv with no reason?

He did it because he talked to Karl Gotch and he suggested that he stopped lifting weights and just do cardio. I think that killed his career more then anything.
Yeah but I think that was actually the shoot reason. On TV it was only touched on for the reasons I mentioned in the other post.



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My take is that NYC and LA had more than 20,000 to 25,000 wrestling fans, but that was closer to the amount that were willing to pay to see it live. Let's be frank, pro wrestling has long drawn more fans from the bottom end of the socio economic ladder than other types of entertainment and legit sports. I'm betting there were people who watched the syndicated shows week in and week out without failure, but when getting food on the table and paying the bills was a bigger concern, buying a $3 ticket in the blue seats (worth $17 today) wasn't in the conversation for enough people.

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