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In 1980 the Raiders & Oilers swapped their starting QBs.  Both were successful in their cities.  What prompted this move?



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Stabler held out for more money, and Houston's head coach/GM Bum Phillips thought Stabler was the missing piece that would allow them to beat Pittsburgh and advance to the Superbowl.

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BItterOldMan wrote: Stabler held out for more money, and Houston's head coach/GM Bum Phillips thought Stabler was the missing piece that would allow them to beat Pittsburgh and advance to the Superbowl.

Yep, and being a die-hard Stillers fan during the dynasty years, you could not find a bigger Pastorini fan in the Pittsburgh area.  Actually, even though the Oilers were big rivals of the Stillers in the late ‘70’s, they were the other team that Iliked in the NFL.  The Luv Ya Blue years had a great football team. 

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Very interesting that you brought this up, because it was a major deal in the history of both franchises. At the time, the deal was viewed as the Oilers killing the Raiders, and Al Davis has lost his mind just to find his “big armed deep ball QB”. Like what is said above, Stabler wanted more money - he felt underpaid after winning the MVP in 1974 and the Player of the Year in 1976. He held out a couple times, retired once, and just didn’t seem to care about football as far as Davis thought. Add to it that when the passing rules became loosened in 1978, Stabler threw 52 INTs in 1978 and 1979 combined. Davis thought he was past his prime, but Bum Philips thought he was the last piece of the puzzle. So the trade was made, and it wasn’t the last...not long after, Davis traded Jack Tatum to the Oilers for Kenny King. When they started the season 2-3 and Pastorini broke his leg in that fifth game, Davis decided he wasn’t going to let the Steelers get back to the Super Bowl so he traded Dave Casper - Stabler’s favorite receiver - to the Oilers for two first round picks in a deal he could afford to make since Raymond Chester was back with the Raiders. What happened next? Jim Plunkett took over for Dan Pastorini, led the Raiders to becoming the first ever Wild Card team Super Bowl Champion, steamrolling the Oilers along the way. The offensive hero in Super Bowl 15? Kenny King, who set a receiving record for longest TD that stood for like 15 years. Pastorini never again did anything significant on the football field. What’s even more ridiculous is that the Raiders has agreed to trade him to the Rams for a first round pick which hadn’t been able to be approved by the league due to Pastorini being on IR. Just as he was healing up, he crashed his car and got a DWI and was found with cocaine in his possession...which torpedoed he trade. Raiders cut him, owed him guaranteed money, and he signed with the Rams as a free agent. And Al Davis fought successfully in court that the guaranteed money be reduced by the amount of salary the Rams paid him in 1981 and 1982. In the end, Stabler was a virtual bust with the Oilers, who traded him for an equally ancient Archie Manning (younger in years, but older on the field due to the beatings he took). Earl Campbell got old FAST, and the Oilers could not rebuild due to the draft picks they traded to get Casper. They had no real replacement for Campbell, because they traded King when he was 22. And the Raiders won Super Bowl 18 as well and were extremely successful until 1986 when they hit a four year skid out of the playoffs. The Oilers sucked for many years after 1980, really not turning it around until getting very fortunate to sign Warren Moon in 1984 and putting some talent around him by 1988 to start winning some games.



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This was after the AFC Championship that they LOST.  The 1:20 mark shows how passionate that fanbase was. 

Incredible crowd.

https://youtu.be/NsjXko9N6B0

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In the end both teams traded nothing for nothing.

Love that video (PV) of the Oilers fans. Wow has that been destroyed.

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One of the funniest football stories I have heard was about Stabler. After he was let go (or traded - can't recall) by the Oilers, a Mormon QB named Gifford Neilson was named the starter. They asked an offensive lineman for the biggest difference between Neilson and Stabler in the huddle. He said the following:

I can't get used to the smell of milkshakes on Gifford's breathe.

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beejmi wrote: In the end both teams traded nothing for nothing.

Love that video (PV) of the Oilers fans. Wow has that been destroyed.


Just an incredible response for a losing team. 
I doubt if we ever see that, again, in the NFL.  

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Ultimark wrote: One of the funniest football stories I have heard was about Stabler. After he was let go (or traded - can't recall) by the Oilers, a Mormon QB named Gifford Neilson was named the starter. They asked an offensive lineman for the biggest difference between Neilson and Stabler in the huddle. He said the following:

I can't get used to the smell of milkshakes on Gifford's breathe.

Nielsen went on to be the sports anchor on the Houston CBS affiliate. He left several years ago to work for the LDS church full-time (he's the LDS version of a Deacon, I think).



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One reason for the trade was that back then it was a lot easier to trade guys. There was no salary cap. The CBA was structured differently. There was no real free agency, certainly not as we know it or as MLB and NBA players had at the time, due to teams signing players needing to give draft picks as compensation. I think from 1976 until the reform of free agency after the 1987 strike, literally two players switched teams this way. So you had far more player for player trades when teams wanted to get new guys in and shake things up. Such player for player trades are virtually nonexistent in the NFL now. The vast majority of traded players go for draft picks.

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