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4 years of tanking (Sixers) got us a good team, not elite. I venture that a properly run organization could have built a team just as good playing it straight all along.

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Sixers have a good Starting 5...but no bench.

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They just need to tank another 15 years and then they'll be the '96 Bulls.  Where's your patience?

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Tanking was well worth it. Great starting line-up, but the bench blows. Get rid of Harris, keep Butler & Boban and use some money to get a bench. Problem solved.

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It’s so thin that if Embiid is out, the feeling is ‘they have no chance’

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I guess you need take chances but the Sixers made some gambles that didn't pan out and had some probable hits become misses. Noel was damaged goods that didn't pan out. They took MCW instead of Giannis. Fultz was a bust. Okafor was bust. Evan Turner was taken instead of Boogie. Noel, Simmons, and Embiid missed what should have been their rookie seasons entirely and Fultz missed the vast majority of his. I'm not sure if this is what they had in mind for the Process.

Looking more closely at Embiid, who is the key to it all, he missed all of what should have been his first and second seasons and most of his actual rookie season that should have been his third. Embiid has played in only 38.5% of the games since he was drafted if you count those two entirely missed seasons. Drop the missed seasons to count only the three seasons in which he's played and Embiid has taken the floor in 64.2% of the games with no more than 64 in any one season so far.  

By comparison, Bill Walton is considered one of the truly lost NBA superstars whose career was ruined by injuries. In his four season career prime with the Blazers, he played in 63.7% of the games and never more than 65 in a season. Given the injuries Embiid has faced, that is a scary thing to ponder for the 76ers especially given the investment in time and that enormous new contract.

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tamalie wrote: I guess you need take chances but the Sixers made some gambles that didn't pan out and had some probable hits become misses. Noel was damaged goods that didn't pan out. They took MCW instead of Giannis. Fultz was a bust. Okafor was bust. Evan Turner was taken instead of Boogie. Noel, Simmons, and Embiid missed what should have been their rookie seasons entirely and Fultz missed the vast majority of his. I'm not sure if this is what they had in mind for the Process.

Looking more closely at Embiid, who is the key to it all, he missed all of what should have been his first and second seasons and most of his actual rookie season that should have been his third. Embiid has played in only 38.5% of the games since he was drafted if you count those two entirely missed seasons. Drop the missed seasons to count only the three seasons in which he's played and Embiid has taken the floor in 64.2% of the games with no more than 64 in any one season so far.  

By comparison, Bill Walton is considered one of the truly lost NBA superstars whose career was ruined by injuries. In his four season career prime with the Blazers, he played in 63.7% of the games and never more than 65 in a season. Given the injuries Embiid has faced, that is a scary thing to ponder for the 76ers especially given the investment in time and that enormous new contract.

Okafor's playing well in New Orleans ever since Davis went down with his "injury". He finished strong and he might be able to salvage a career. 

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Lots of rumors of revamping the roster. All that for a second round elimination although a ‘coin flip’ Loss.

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The rumors are bullshit though. Ben for Lebron James was made up by a journalist from NBC based on one quote from a rival GM who said "I could very well see them looking into that". The story was based off of that alone. Not exactly well sourced. It also doesn't work cap wise at all. The Sixers would have to sign Butler and include him in the deal as well to make the money work or maybe Harris instead.

They are going to try hard to lock up Butler and Harris. Reddick could be a problem given the cap but they would like him back but for 2 years at less of a cap hit each year. The rest of the players are basically expendable parts. A few will be back. They will look to build the bench. Some of that hopefully comes from a couple of the young players they already have. The first priority needs to be a backup center. With Embiid on the floor, the Sixers were a dominant team. Without him, they were horrible. The plus/minus stats prove that. Even on Sunday, the 3 minutes he didn't play, they were a minus 9.

The Raps were the better team but it is very close and wouldn't have been had Embiid not been sick. I am not as nearly pessimistic as some. The window for this team opens next year.

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krazykid18 wrote: i thought this was about NBA new garbage ass draft lottery system
I loved it because it fucked over the Knicks.

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beejmi wrote: Lots of rumors of revamping the roster. All that for a second round elimination although a ‘coin flip’ Loss.
Re-sign Butler, let Harris, Boban go. Get a better bench and another shooter. Redick is interesting as you have to bring him back if they can't sign a shooter, unless he would come off the bench.

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Ultimark wrote: The rumors are bullshit though. Ben for Lebron James was made up by a journalist from NBC based on one quote from a rival GM who said "I could very well see them looking into that". The story was based off of that alone. Not exactly well sourced. It also doesn't work cap wise at all. The Sixers would have to sign Butler and include him in the deal as well to make the money work or maybe Harris instead.

They are going to try hard to lock up Butler and Harris. Reddick could be a problem given the cap but they would like him back but for 2 years at less of a cap hit each year. The rest of the players are basically expendable parts. A few will be back. They will look to build the bench. Some of that hopefully comes from a couple of the young players they already have. The first priority needs to be a backup center. With Embiid on the floor, the Sixers were a dominant team. Without him, they were horrible. The plus/minus stats prove that. Even on Sunday, the 3 minutes he didn't play, they were a minus 9.

The Raps were the better team but it is very close and wouldn't have been had Embiid not been sick. I am not as nearly pessimistic as some. The window for this team opens next year.

Not a fan of Harris as he came up small in the playoffs and Boban was a non factor. Need a legit big man to back up Jo Jo. 

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As a Timberwolves fan, my opinions of Jimmy Butler aren't exactly positive due to how he left here. That admission out of the way, the Sixers would be nuts to sign him to the kind of large, long term deal he wants. Jimmy Buckets will be 30 by the start of next season. In eight NBA seasons he has played more than 70 games on just two occasions, one of which was his second year in the league when he was getting 26 minutes per game and the other in 2016-17. Butler is very good, but you can find another 2/3 swing player a lot more easily than another Ben Simmons. For all of his flaws, finding another Ben Simmons would be much harder than finding another Jimmy Butler.

Speaking of Simmons, a straight up deal of Simmons for LeBron won't work due to the salary disparity and luxury tax issues in Philly.

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tamalie wrote: As a Timberwolves fan, my opinions of Jimmy Butler aren't exactly positive due to how he left here. That admission out of the way, the Sixers would be nuts to sign him to the kind of large, long term deal he wants. Jimmy Buckets will be 30 by the start of next season. In eight NBA seasons he has played more than 70 games on just two occasions, one of which was his second year in the league when he was getting 26 minutes per game and the other in 2016-17. Butler is very good, but you can find another 2/3 swing player a lot more easily than another Ben Simmons. For all of his flaws, finding another Ben Simmons would be much harder than finding another Jimmy Butler.

Speaking of Simmons, a straight up deal of Simmons for LeBron won't work due to the salary disparity and luxury tax issues in Philly.
I would take Butler over Simmons any day. Simmons is a 6'11 guard. Height is all he offers. He can't make a jump shot to save his life. If he put on some weight and plays down low I may change my mind but Butler is my choice between those two.

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Benlen wrote: tamalie wrote: As a Timberwolves fan, my opinions of Jimmy Butler aren't exactly positive due to how he left here. That admission out of the way, the Sixers would be nuts to sign him to the kind of large, long term deal he wants. Jimmy Buckets will be 30 by the start of next season. In eight NBA seasons he has played more than 70 games on just two occasions, one of which was his second year in the league when he was getting 26 minutes per game and the other in 2016-17. Butler is very good, but you can find another 2/3 swing player a lot more easily than another Ben Simmons. For all of his flaws, finding another Ben Simmons would be much harder than finding another Jimmy Butler.

Speaking of Simmons, a straight up deal of Simmons for LeBron won't work due to the salary disparity and luxury tax issues in Philly.
I would take Butler over Simmons any day. Simmons is a 6'11 guard. Height is all he offers. He can't make a jump shot to save his life. If he put on some weight and plays down low I may change my mind but Butler is my choice between those two.   

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The Sixers will definitely keep Ben. They want to keep Butler but that is entirely up to him. He will be offered the max contract. If he declines, he losses $30m. Up to him. Ben is still on a rookie contract. He will sign his extension next year.

It is not a choice between the two at all. However, Butler is 7 years older than Ben, and has more miles on him.

As for how he left Minn, I don't care. The young stars there are soft. He didn't want to be stuck with them. I hope he signs an extension with the Sixers. The last year or 2 could be a waste but the window is only open for as long as Embiid has a career which probably isn't longer than 3 or 4 years anyway.

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Ultimark wrote: The Sixers will definitely keep Ben. They want to keep Butler but that is entirely up to him. He will be offered the max contract. If he declines, he losses $30m. Up to him. Ben is still on a rookie contract. He will sign his extension next year.

It is not a choice between the two at all. However, Butler is 7 years older than Ben, and has more miles on him.

As for how he left Minn, I don't care. The young stars there are soft. He didn't want to be stuck with them. I hope he signs an extension with the Sixers. The last year or 2 could be a waste but the window is only open for as long as Embiid has a career which probably isn't longer than 3 or 4 years anyway.

I would sign Jimmy if i want to get the best out of Embiid and Simmons because Jimmy is the perfect asshole that will get Simmons and Embiid to work on their flaws and also Jimmy asshole ways will expose how mentally tough Simmons and Embiid are because you seen how soft Wiggins and Towns were when Jimmy killed them destroying them with 13,14, 15th and g leaguers in practice.

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krazykid18 wrote: Ultimark wrote: The Sixers will definitely keep Ben. They want to keep Butler but that is entirely up to him. He will be offered the max contract. If he declines, he losses $30m. Up to him. Ben is still on a rookie contract. He will sign his extension next year.

It is not a choice between the two at all. However, Butler is 7 years older than Ben, and has more miles on him.

As for how he left Minn, I don't care. The young stars there are soft. He didn't want to be stuck with them. I hope he signs an extension with the Sixers. The last year or 2 could be a waste but the window is only open for as long as Embiid has a career which probably isn't longer than 3 or 4 years anyway.

I would sign Jimmy if i want to get the best out of Embiid and Simmons because Jimmy is the perfect asshole that will get Simmons and Embiid to work on their flaws and also Jimmy asshole ways will expose how mentally tough Simmons and Embiid are because you seen how soft Wiggins and Towns were when Jimmy killed them destroying them with 13,14, 15th and g leaguers in practice.

Yup, and he took that right out of the Michael Jordan playbook.

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krazykid18 wrote: Ultimark wrote: The Sixers will definitely keep Ben. They want to keep Butler but that is entirely up to him. He will be offered the max contract. If he declines, he losses $30m. Up to him. Ben is still on a rookie contract. He will sign his extension next year.

It is not a choice between the two at all. However, Butler is 7 years older than Ben, and has more miles on him.

As for how he left Minn, I don't care. The young stars there are soft. He didn't want to be stuck with them. I hope he signs an extension with the Sixers. The last year or 2 could be a waste but the window is only open for as long as Embiid has a career which probably isn't longer than 3 or 4 years anyway.

I would sign Jimmy if i want to get the best out of Embiid and Simmons because Jimmy is the perfect asshole that will get Simmons and Embiid to work on their flaws and also Jimmy asshole ways will expose how mentally tough Simmons and Embiid are because you seen how soft Wiggins and Towns were when Jimmy killed them destroying them with 13,14, 15th and g leaguers in practice.

Agree with you 1000%. Butler is needed for the Sixers and I'd take him over Harris anyday (even though Harris is apparently a done deal).

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Tanking , Trust The Process ….none of it worked in the end

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beejmi wrote: Tanking , Trust The Process ….none of it worked in the end
I called it having a bad GM ( Brand) signing an over the hill Al Hoford and the biggest mistake was letting Jimmy "By God" Butler leave for fucking Tobias Harris. Losing Simmonds hurt the Sixers bad and they haven't built any sort of bench at all. I LOVED Butler as he was the miserable motherfucker who told everyone to fuck off when they acted like a little bitch and didn't get their way.

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Are the Sixers happy with Embiid and his 30+ mil contract?

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Benlen wrote: Are the Sixers happy with Embiid and his 30+ mil contract?
When he decides to play, then yes. Embiid sometimes appears to be going through the motions at times. This season he made $27.5M and next is $29.5M. Embiid plays outside and settles for the jump shot WAY too much this past 2 seasons. I'm more worried about Simmonds and his reluctance to shot from outside. Next year, his extension kicks in and he will make the following.
2020-21: $ 29.25M
2021-22: $ 31.59M
2022-23: $ 33.93M
2023-24: $ 36.27M
2024-25: $ 38.61M

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The question for that much money should be : Will we ever win a championship with Embiid?


Um, no.

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beejmi wrote: The question for that much money should be : Will we ever win a championship with Embiid?


Um, no.

I think it's more will they ever win a title with Simmonds.

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freebirdsforever2019 wrote: beejmi wrote: The question for that much money should be : Will we ever win a championship with Embiid?


Um, no.

I think it's more will they ever win a title with Simmonds.

Who's Simmonds?

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freebirdsforever2019 wrote: beejmi wrote: The question for that much money should be : Will we ever win a championship with Embiid?


Um, no.

I think it's more will they ever win a title with Simmonds
Yeah i think they will get rid of embiid and get shooters to pair up with Simmons


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Angelic Assassin wrote: freebirdsforever2019 wrote: beejmi wrote: The question for that much money should be : Will we ever win a championship with Embiid?


Um, no.

I think it's more will they ever win a title with Simmonds.

Who's Simmonds?

Wayne Simmonds, duh!

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https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/29726138/joel-embiid-ponders-76ers-future-playoff-exit

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krazykid18 wrote: freebirdsforever2019 wrote: beejmi wrote: The question for that much money should be : Will we ever win a championship with Embiid?


Um, no.

I think it's more will they ever win a title with Simmonds
Yeah i think they will get rid of embiid and get shooters to pair up with Simmons



I think they need to start by letting Elton Brand & Brett Brown go and then go from there.

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To call back to my post from earlier in the thread that compared Joel Embiid to Bill Walton, Embiid has completed four seasons as an NBA player. In that time he has played 209 out of a possible 328 regular season games. That is equal to Bill Walton who also played 209 of a possible 328 regular season games during his first four NBA seasons.

Embiid entirely missed what should have been his first two NBA seasons. Walton played from the get go, but then after his first four seasons proceeded to miss three of the four following seasons entirely and only played in 14 games in the one season during that timeframe in which he took the floor.

It's hard to say what the future holds for Embiid and if the parallels will continue to form, but so far in an 82 game regular season, he's never played more than 64 (Walton's high was 66 until his late career bench season with the Celtics) and theoretically his body will further breakdown as he puts on more game miles.

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Talk in the Bay Area the Warriors are looking for a big man.
Embiid and Antetokounmpo were being named. After watching Embiid this weekend I will have to say no to him.

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tamalie wrote: To call back to my post from earlier in the thread that compared Joel Embiid to Bill Walton, Embiid has completed four seasons as an NBA player. In that time he has played 209 out of a possible 328 regular season games. That is equal to Bill Walton who also played 209 of a possible 328 regular season games during his first four NBA seasons.

Embiid entirely missed what should have been his first two NBA seasons. Walton played from the get go, but then after his first four seasons proceeded to miss three of the four following seasons entirely and only played in 14 games in the one season during that timeframe in which he took the floor.

It's hard to say what the future holds for Embiid and if the parallels will continue to form, but so far in an 82 game regular season, he's never played more than 64 (Walton's high was 66 until his late career bench season with the Celtics) and theoretically his body will further breakdown as he puts on more game miles.The Blazers did well with Bill Walton.  It was the San Diego Clippers that got raped in the ass.  He was the highest paid player in the league for three seasons and during those three seasons he played 14, 0, and 0 games.  By the time he came back as a serious part time player for the Clippers, he was no longer the highest paid but still was earning $1m to play once or twice a week.  The Celtics got great mileage out of him simply by playing him most games but light minutes.  It kept him upright and he worked his ass off to play. 

To call back another point you made - how great is this Sixers team with Giannis instead of shitbag Michael Carter-Williams?

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Benlen wrote: Talk in the Bay Area the Warriors are looking for a big man.
Embiid and Antetokounmpo were being named. After watching Embiid this weekend I will have to say no to him.

The Greek guy would have to be traded I think. I don't see the Sixers trading Embiid away. Their biggest mistake was letting Butler walk out the door and signing Horford & Harris.

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freebirdsforever2019 wrote: Benlen wrote: Talk in the Bay Area the Warriors are looking for a big man.
Embiid and Antetokounmpo were being named. After watching Embiid this weekend I will have to say no to him.

The Greek guy would have to be traded I think. I don't see the Sixers trading Embiid away. Their biggest mistake was letting Butler walk out the door and signing Horford & Harris.
Warriors are willing to make a trade. Someone from Philly said if the Warriors offered the #2 pick Philly would walk Embiid or Simmons to the airport.  haha  With Giannis its gonna take a large package.

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Benlen wrote: freebirdsforever2019 wrote: Benlen wrote: Talk in the Bay Area the Warriors are looking for a big man.
Embiid and Antetokounmpo were being named. After watching Embiid this weekend I will have to say no to him.

The Greek guy would have to be traded I think. I don't see the Sixers trading Embiid away. Their biggest mistake was letting Butler walk out the door and signing Horford & Harris.
Warriors are willing to make a trade. Someone from Philly said if the Warriors offered the #2 pick Philly would walk Embiid or Simmons to the airport.  haha  With Giannis its gonna take a large package.

Who from Philly?

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freebirdsforever2019 wrote: Benlen wrote: freebirdsforever2019 wrote: Benlen wrote: Talk in the Bay Area the Warriors are looking for a big man.
Embiid and Antetokounmpo were being named. After watching Embiid this weekend I will have to say no to him.

The Greek guy would have to be traded I think. I don't see the Sixers trading Embiid away. Their biggest mistake was letting Butler walk out the door and signing Horford & Harris.
Warriors are willing to make a trade. Someone from Philly said if the Warriors offered the #2 pick Philly would walk Embiid or Simmons to the airport.  haha  With Giannis its gonna take a large package.

Who from Philly?
Didn't catch his name.

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Five potential HC for the Sixers.
https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/76ers-coaching-search-five-potential-replacements-for-brett-brown-in-philadelphia/

Why Jay Wright could leave Villanova for the Sixers.
https://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/news/there-are-reasons-why-villanovas-jay-wright-might-be-interested-in-coaching-the-76ers/

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Some coaches can make the jump from college to the NBA, but so many guys have failed. The style of play is different. The authoritarian tones used with college players won't work in the NBA or at least won't work for long. If a player really screws up, you can't call his folks or his HS coach or his AAU coach to talk some sense into him or at least use the threat to get guys to fly right. Jay Wright is better off staying in school, potentially leaving Villanova if one of the crown jewel jobs opens up. For instance, Coach K will be 74 by the end of the 2020-21 season, assuming there is one. He is still sharp mentally and physically, so he has years left there. However, at that age, the decline can set in and occur quickly with little prior notice. He's certainly closer to the end than the beginning by a long shot. Jay Wright would certainly be a top candidate for the spot if it opens up in the next few seasons and it would be a great fit if he wants to move.



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