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 Posted: Mon Sep 6th, 2021 06:00 pm
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More than a couple of dozen WWE talents were tweeting along with All Out last night, expressing happiness over their friends joining AEW. In particular, they seemed most happy for Ruby Soho and the reception she got after her release, but there were lots of comments about Danielson and Cole too. Only Pat McAfee stayed in character, saying he chased Cole out of WWE, which is a bit of a late reference considering how long ago their feud was. Everyone rise was very complimentary. I have to wonder if Vince starts feeling the heat and starts to see how many of his stars are jealous of greener pastures, if he won’t issue a mandate about tweeting about AEW.



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srossi wrote: More than a couple of dozen WWE talents were tweeting along with All Out last night, expressing happiness over their friends joining AEW. In particular, they seemed most happy for Ruby Soho and the reception she got after he release, but there were lots of comments about Danielson and Cole too. Only Pat McAfee stayed in character, saying he chased Cole out of WWE, which is a bit of a late reference considering how long ago their feud was. Everyone rise was very complimentary. I have to wonder if Vince starts feeling the heat and starts to see how many of his stars are jealous of greener pastures, if he won’t issue a mandate about tweeting about AEW.

McAfee offered Cole a job as his his personal assistant when he became a free agent last week.

Speaking of decrees, I wonder if Tony Khan asked his new signings not to badmouth WWE. There have been a few veiled references from Punk, but we haven't had anything close to the promos we got when people were jumping during the Monday Night War. I hate myself that I really want to watch Raw tonight to see if they reference All Out at all.



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Kriss wrote: srossi wrote: More than a couple of dozen WWE talents were tweeting along with All Out last night, expressing happiness over their friends joining AEW. In particular, they seemed most happy for Ruby Soho and the reception she got after he release, but there were lots of comments about Danielson and Cole too. Only Pat McAfee stayed in character, saying he chased Cole out of WWE, which is a bit of a late reference considering how long ago their feud was. Everyone rise was very complimentary. I have to wonder if Vince starts feeling the heat and starts to see how many of his stars are jealous of greener pastures, if he won’t issue a mandate about tweeting about AEW.

McAfee offered Cole a job as his his personal assistant when he became a free agent last week.

Speaking of decrees, I wonder if Tony Khan asked his new signings not to badmouth WWE. There have been a few veiled references from Punk, but we haven't had anything close to the promos we got when people were jumping during the Monday Night War. I hate myself that I really want to watch Raw tonight to see if they reference All Out at all.

They won’t. 

And McAfee is just about the only good thing about WWE right now, but Graves started out with so much potential too until Michael Cole and Kevin Dunn “trained him” and made him insufferable. McAfee would probably just walk out before that happened to him because he has money and outside ventures, but I hope they just leave him be. 

As for Khan, don’t poke the bear. WWE is comatose and in their own world, and Vince probably legitimately has no idea about half of what’s going on, so don’t say anything too bad to wake him up. He should be smart enough to see the momentum turn, but I don’t think he is, so keep letting it sneak up on him. I think Punk probably didn’t want to directly mention them though, and the shot with him saying he left wrestling when he left ROH was more than enough. Danielson won’t knock WWE either, and has no reason to. 



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One negative from last night. Fozzy's guitarist is fucking awful. Not his full that he was too loud, but when he started improvising over the tune, it really fucked up the fans singing. Jericho looked a bit annoyed at this. After the amazing a capella version a couple of weeks ago, this was a bad call.

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Speaking of decrees, I wonder if Tony Khan asked his new signings not to badmouth WWE. There have been a few veiled references from Punk, but we haven't had anything close to the promos we got when people were jumping during the Monday Night War. I hate myself that I really want to watch Raw tonight to see if they reference All Out at all.
No need to mention WWE at all - makes AWE look as if it is not even thinking of WWE as a rival.  You don't need to take potshots at an inferior, you treat it with contempt.  That should be the attitude.



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Kriss wrote: One negative from last night. Fozzy's guitarist is fucking awful. Not his full that he was too loud, but when he started improvising over the tune, it really fucked up the fans singing. Jericho looked a bit annoyed at this. After the amazing a capella version a couple of weeks ago, this was a bad call.
There’s a story there. Rich Ward certainly was supposed to have that gig. He’s the lead guitarist and has been forever. Ward missed these recent Fozzy shows, I can’t remember why. So that was someone else, the rhythm guitarist or the touring fill-in. He’s playing the concerts and so was asked to do the PPV. Unfortunate and without Ward there they should’ve skipped that special entrance, but Jericho wanted to do it. Ward is fantastic and would’ve killed it. 



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Kriss wrote: So the opening exchange from Punk-Allin was an homage to Bret-123 Kid from Raw I 1994! That's a hell of a deep cut.

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Kriss wrote: ironically, I think this show will boost Raw tonight, because people will want to see if Vince will react.
In the opening minutes it seems that Vince reacted by going to an old Saturday Night's Main Event opening with the series of promos, which was actually a nice change of pace.  That was followed by Matt Riddle doing open mic night in the ring and dying a slow death.  Now that crowds are back, it's becoming more obvious how dead WWE crowds are compared to AEW crowds, even though WWE knows how to mic their crowds better.  I think most disturbing is the fact that WWE fans don't try to hijack the shows anymore.  They don't do anything at all.  They don't cheer, they don't boo, they don't laugh, they don't chant boring, they don't chant for CM Punk or Daniel Bryan, they don't bring signs, they don't act like smartasses, they don't act interested, they don't act alive.  Raw is like a 3 hour calculus lecture and is utterly devoid of joy or interaction.



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srossi wrote: Kriss wrote: ironically, I think this show will boost Raw tonight, because people will want to see if Vince will react.
In the opening minutes it seems that Vince reacted by going to an old Saturday Night's Main Event opening with the series of promos, which was actually a nice change of pace.  That was followed by Matt Riddle doing open mic night in the ring and dying a slow death.  Now that crowds are back, it's becoming more obvious how dead WWE crowds are compared to AEW crowds, even though WWE knows how to mic their crowds better.  I think most disturbing is the fact that WWE fans don't try to hijack the shows anymore.  They don't do anything at all.  They don't cheer, they don't boo, they don't laugh, they don't chant boring, they don't chant for CM Punk or Daniel Bryan, they don't bring signs, they don't act like smartasses, they don't act interested, they don't act alive.  Raw is like a 3 hour calculus lecture and is utterly devoid of joy or interaction.

Vince brought back Drake Maverick to the main roster, and Jeff Hardy was added to the 24/7 goofs. Who needs Adam Cole?

Vince wasn't at Raw last night, so Bruce Prichard was running the show with Vince on the phone. They probably thought that the gauntlet match was a solid answer to AEW's claim to having the best tag team division in wrestling. Then they had their world champion and his manager win to become number one contenders, just to set up one half of the tag champions challenging for the world title. So they buried their tag team division instead. Maybe their point was that tag teams suck...

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Internal reports indicate that Vince will no longer allow public domain or licensed music that could be used by the competition. He feels like he was burned twice with both CM Punk and Bryan Danielson being able to use their WWE entrance music in AEW, which he feels helped get them over. Danielson's music was the classical piece "Ride of the Valkyries", and in AEW he used a remix version of that song which has been named "Born for Greatness". The new song includes the lyrics "You’re gonna get your fucking head kicked in", one of his old catchphrases in ROH, over a remixed version of "Ride of the Valkyries".



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srossi wrote: Internal reports indicate that Vince will no longer allow public domain or licensed music that could be used by the competition. He feels like he was burned twice with both CM Punk and Bryan Danielson being able to use their WWE entrance music in AEW, which he feels helped get them over. Danielson's music was the classical piece "Ride of the Valkyries", and in AEW he used a remix version of that song which has been named "Born for Greatness". The new song includes the lyrics "You’re gonna get your fucking head kicked in", one of his old catchphrases in ROH, over a remixed version of "Ride of the Valkyries".
LOL. He's completely ignoring three things here. Ruby Soho got over huge with a song that she used for the first time, and Tony Khan wanted to buy the rights to Final Countdown but they wanted too much for the license. He's also forgetting all the huge pops that he got when he debuted people with new music. I'm thinking Tazz and Chris Jericho off the top of my head.



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AEW just announced a show for the brand new (not even open yet) UBS Arena in New York, the new home for the New York Islanders, for the December 8 Dynamite. Wikipedia says it holds 18,853 for concerts, so that's another huge show they are running in the New York market. I wonder if/when they will go for a big stadium show. You know Punk wants to wrestle at Wrigley Field, and he spoke about it after the PPV.

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srossi wrote:  "You’re gonna get your fucking head kicked in", one of his old catchphrases in ROH, Heh, I never put Danielson down as being a 1970s football hooligan.



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Cornette loved Punk vs. Darby, although he still sounds angry no matter what he says.

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What is the point of gallows and anderson...

Adam Cole didn't even shout them out

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