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 Posted: Sat Jan 22nd, 2022 06:17 pm
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It’s sickening, but not surprising, how everyone on Twitter are defending him and bashing Tony Khan for everything from being racist to not caring about the mentally ill. This is what you get when you keep telling kids that identity politics is more important than actually adding value in the workplace.  And you know how Khan could’ve avoided all this shit?  By not hiring him in the first place. By giving him a 2nd and then a 3rd chance, he’s the bad guy. 



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 Posted: Sat Jan 22nd, 2022 07:48 pm
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Aside from Lio Rush, upcoming AEW departures due to expired contracts will be Joey Janela, Brian Cage, and Marko Stunt. None are a surprise. In addition, Peter Avalon's contract has already been allowed to lapse and he has not been re-signed.

Joey Janela was the first AEW talent to have issues with the way he was booked dating back to the earliest episodes of Dynamite. He considered himself a huge indy name and immediately regretted signing to only wind up doing jobs. He no-showed one early AEW taping and asked for his release around that time, and it wasn't granted. Things seemed to be smoothed over to the point that Janela became a Dark staple working with and against Sonny Kiss and he eventually came to terms with his role in the company, but neither side have any interest in this contract being extended.  Janela is the type of guy who could add value to Impact, and he also runs his own indy shows.

Brian Cage's wife, seemingly with his support, has been vocal about the way he has been booked for months. Cage was last used by AEW in October when he wrapped up his feud against Ricky Starks over the FTW title with a loss. He then went on the Jericho Cruise representing AEW, but never competed for the company proper again. He also seems to have expected a more prominent role than AEW ever planned for him.  Cage believes there is interest from WWE, but he's 37 and WWE is cutting everyone around his age and gutting NXT, so he may be disappointed.

Marko Stunt was quietly removed from the Jurassic Express and from TV entirely in September, replaced by the much higher-profile Christian Cage. At his size, Stunt was never going to be more than a mascot and a novelty act, and sources indicate that the company realized he was holding Jungle Boy back, who they are very high on.  He was a very indy signing who the company has outgrown. 

Peter Avalon main evented for Championship Wrestling From Hollywood and worked as a comedy jobber for TNA. He was an AEW original who appeared prominently on PPVs before Dynamite even started. He's well-liked and a decent indy hand, but undersized and clearly a Young Bucks signing. He was given the comedic librarian gimmick which never got over and was always considered a weak spot on those early AEW PPVs. Once the company went to the weekly TV model, he all but disappeared and wound up exclusively on Dark.  The door is open for him to continue to get paid per appearance to do jobs, but he is a free agent.

So the herd begins to thin for the first time, and you'll see more of that as the first batch of contracts continue to expire. 



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 Posted: Sat Jan 22nd, 2022 08:28 pm
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get that Khan money while you can...

Kriss and Srossi still holding all the info to themselves on how to get some of that Khan money

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srossi wrote:
 He was given the comedic librarian gimmick which never got over and was always considered a weak spot on those early AEW PPVs.
Shared obviously with Leva Bates, who I think is also a trainer so may be OK.  I have no idea though why nobody has used her properly, she got over in NXT by total accident by being a cute and upbeat (as well as beat-up) jobber, and hot librarian gimmicks are hot.



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 Posted: Sat Jan 22nd, 2022 11:19 pm
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kargol wrote: srossi wrote:
 He was given the comedic librarian gimmick which never got over and was always considered a weak spot on those early AEW PPVs.
Shared obviously with Leva Bates, who I think is also a trainer so may be OK.  I have no idea though why nobody has used her properly, she got over in NXT by total accident by being a cute and upbeat (as well as beat-up) jobber, and hot librarian gimmicks are hot.

Not sure what happened with her but she wasn’t used for almost a full year, and AEW doesn’t typically just bench people. She had her last AEW match in March before showing up again just last week. So perhaps she was injured or maybe she actually retired and is a full-time trainer now who was used again because someone no-showed. She’s 38. 



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At this juncture with all the crap being stirred recently, could AEW decline to renew Sonny Kiss'es deal and not be publicly excoriated?



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BitterOldMan wrote: At this juncture with all the crap being stirred recently, could AEW decline to renew Sonny Kiss'es deal and not be publicly excoriated?
A few keyboard warriors on Twitter does not a public excoriation make. The reception to Lio Rush being released was, at best mixed. It seemed to me that more people were defending AEW on Twitter. If not defending the decision, but defending the right to make the decision.

The minor news sites and the "aggregators" need a constant stream of click-bait, so they report on this nonsense, but if you look at the sites which take this a little more seriously, there's no real negative reaction from fans. With all the talk of "I'll never watch WWE again" I don't think all the releases of 2020-2021 had any impact on ratings.



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srossi wrote: kargol wrote: srossi wrote:
 He was given the comedic librarian gimmick which never got over and was always considered a weak spot on those early AEW PPVs.
Shared obviously with Leva Bates, who I think is also a trainer so may be OK.  I have no idea though why nobody has used her properly, she got over in NXT by total accident by being a cute and upbeat (as well as beat-up) jobber, and hot librarian gimmicks are hot.

Not sure what happened with her but she wasn’t used for almost a full year, and AEW doesn’t typically just bench people. She had her last AEW match in March before showing up again just last week. So perhaps she was injured or maybe she actually retired and is a full-time trainer now who was used again because someone no-showed. She’s 38. 

Is she a trainer? I thought she dealt with travel and accommodation for the wrestlers.



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 Posted: Sun Jan 23rd, 2022 04:04 pm
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Kriss wrote: srossi wrote: kargol wrote: srossi wrote:
 He was given the comedic librarian gimmick which never got over and was always considered a weak spot on those early AEW PPVs.
Shared obviously with Leva Bates, who I think is also a trainer so may be OK.  I have no idea though why nobody has used her properly, she got over in NXT by total accident by being a cute and upbeat (as well as beat-up) jobber, and hot librarian gimmicks are hot.

Not sure what happened with her but she wasn’t used for almost a full year, and AEW doesn’t typically just bench people. She had her last AEW match in March before showing up again just last week. So perhaps she was injured or maybe she actually retired and is a full-time trainer now who was used again because someone no-showed. She’s 38. 

Is she a trainer? I thought she dealt with travel and accommodation for the wrestlers.

Not sure. I never heard that, I only know she has a backstage role. I could be wrong that she’s a trainer. 



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BitterOldMan wrote: At this juncture with all the crap being stirred recently, could AEW decline to renew Sonny Kiss'es deal and not be publicly excoriated?
I don’t watch Dark so I can’t comment on Sonny Kiss’ progression. I saw him way back in Lucha Underground and thought he was OK and has potential, but that was only a handful of pre-taped and possibly edited matches. In AEW, he has been routinely singled out as a very weak worker not ready for that stage, and the fact that he’s been relegated to Dark all this time might confirm that (of course others like Janela have met the same fate so it’s not necessarily an indicator of his work). Maybe some people knock him just because he’s trans. He was very vocal that he trains and changes with the women, which they have no problem with supposedly. Like I said, I don’t really know how his work has improved or regressed. But overall opinion is that he’s not very good. I don’t see why he would be renewed based on how little they use him, or how it could be a surprise to anyone. It might be too progressive even for AEW to have him join the women’s division, which seems to be what he wants, and even there his work may not be good enough because the women have gotten so much better in the last year.  



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 Posted: Sun Jan 23rd, 2022 04:29 pm
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srossi wrote: BitterOldMan wrote: At this juncture with all the crap being stirred recently, could AEW decline to renew Sonny Kiss'es deal and not be publicly excoriated?
I don’t watch Dark so I can’t comment on Sonny Kiss’ progression. I saw him way back in Lucha Underground and thought he was OK and has potential, but that was only a handful of pre-taped and possibly edited matches. In AEW, he has been routinely singled out as a very weak worker not ready for that stage, and the fact that he’s been relegated to Dark all this time might confirm that (of course others like Janela have met the same fate so it’s not necessarily an indicator of his work). Maybe some people knock him just because he’s trans. He was very vocal that he trains and changes with the women, which they have no problem with supposedly. Like I said, I don’t really know how his work has improved or regressed. But overall opinion is that he’s not very good. I don’t see why he would be renewed based on how little they use him, or how it could be a surprise to anyone. It might be too progressive even for AEW to have him join the women’s division, which seems to be what he wants, and even there his work may not be good enough because the women have gotten so much better in the last year.  

He's had a feud with Janella which just recently finished with a street fight on Dark. That match was OK, but mostly because of all the bells and whistles. He also has done some backstage work with choreographing dance routines on PPVs, most notably the awesome Lucha Brothers entrance from last year. He would be a better fit in Impact, though, given how regularly they have inter-gender matches. Not to get lost in the weeds on gender identity, I don't see Kiss working in the AEW women's division.



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srossi wrote: cookie32723 wrote: And just like that, Lio Rush is leaving AEW. He tweeted this morning that his contract expires on February 14. Probably best for the company to not have to deal with that guy.
I’m not going to feel bad when that asshole kills himself at all. Mental illness is a bitch but there are ways to deal with it and even on his semi-lucid moments he’s a a whiny little bitch.  

Lio Rush was the surprise replacement for Jonathan Gresham at last night's GCW Hammerstein Ballroom show, taking on Blake Christian. AEW might have sent him as a replacement for Eddie Kingston, who himself couldn't make the show.



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It's a shame Lio Rush is apparently so fucked up. He looks good from anything I've seen of him.But anyone him at this stage is asking for trouble.

Wasn't Brian Cage kind of put over as a big deal in the early days of AEW? I'd forgotten about him as I don't think he's been on Dynamite or Rampage since I started watching again. Is he any good?

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Wheeler Yuta vs Penta on Dark last night was really good. Definitely worth a watch if you have a spare 10 minutes. (29:30 if the link doesn't cue up the match straight away)

https://youtu.be/FkCnNeg4nZ8?t=1771



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Kriss wrote: Wheeler Yuta vs Penta on Dark last night was really good. Definitely worth a watch if you have a spare 10 minutes. (29:30 if the link doesn't cue up the match straight away)

https://youtu.be/FkCnNeg4nZ8?t=1771



The link took me right to it.    Anyone who shits on Excalibur for having the rolodex of maneuvers at the ready can't tout Gordon Solie as being any different.   There's a joviality amongst Excalibur, Taz and Mark Henry that works well and still covers the fine points of the match.   
A few weeks ago Excalibur was selling the arrival of the AEW Upper Deck trading cards and after he named some of the wrestlers in the series, Jericho asked him if there was an Excalibur card and he immediately switched to being a crestfallen, forgotten man as he replied 'No".  It was great because it plays so well into the idea out there that he comes off as self-important and doesn't "deserve" the job he has.  

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