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 Posted: Thu Jan 14th, 2021 02:43 pm
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So the second dose of the Pfizer vaccine has kicked my ass a bit. Got it Tuesday morning. By Tuesday night was feeling pretty lethargic. Still continuing to this point. I"m usually up most mornings @ 545 am. The last 2 days I haven't gotten up till past 9 am. I did force myself to still go to the gym yesterday and do 90 min on the treadmill, and I'll probably go this afternoon as well...but there definitely has been some kickback this time


I posted this on my facebook page...decent way to look up Hospital utilization. Varies county to county. Even looking in my area, my hospital system is getting hit way worse than others because we have rural branches, and bring in those transfer patients


https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2020/12/09/944379919/new-data-reveal-which-hospitals-are-dangerously-full-is-yours#res944380257

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Principal_Raditch wrote: So the second dose of the Pfizer vaccine has kicked my ass a bit. Got it Tuesday morning. By Tuesday night was feeling pretty lethargic. Still continuing to this point. I"m usually up most mornings @ 545 am. The last 2 days I haven't gotten up till past 9 am. I did force myself to still go to the gym yesterday and do 90 min on the treadmill, and I'll probably go this afternoon as well...but there definitely has been some kickback this time

Thanks for the info.  What's been the mindset at your hospital among the staff?  Has mostly everyone jumped at the chance to get jabbed or are there many who are more circumspect about it?  Is there anyone you know who had the virus but still got this "vaccine"?  



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KGB wrote: Principal_Raditch wrote: So the second dose of the Pfizer vaccine has kicked my ass a bit. Got it Tuesday morning. By Tuesday night was feeling pretty lethargic. Still continuing to this point. I"m usually up most mornings @ 545 am. The last 2 days I haven't gotten up till past 9 am. I did force myself to still go to the gym yesterday and do 90 min on the treadmill, and I'll probably go this afternoon as well...but there definitely has been some kickback this time

Thanks for the info.  What's been the mindset at your hospital among the staff?  Has mostly everyone jumped at the chance to get jabbed or are there many who are more circumspect about it?  Is there anyone you know who had the virus but still got this "vaccine"?  


There's a group who are holding off for now. Mostly older nurses in their 60's or more from what i've seen. It's hard to know for sure since we have staggered days we get them, and it runs for hours at a time. There have been a few RN's and Nurses aides who contracted it earlier who still went and got their shots. Not sure if they've gotten any of the side effects. I know a few who also got the first shot, and tested positive for it a few days later, since it takes a few weeks for the antibodies to start forming. Again, no idea on their side effects or not. 

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There's a nursing home up my way that stuck all the residents (just the first shot) and then had a wave of infections. Many people seemed perplexed by this. I don't think they're doing their homework, merely relying on the news readers on local TV.



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khawk wrote: KGB wrote: khawk wrote: KGB wrote:
Modern school districts were created by communities who believed it was beneficial to standardize and make universal the training that children received before they were old enough to contribute to the maintenance of the community.  The schools are for children; they're not a jobs program for adults.  I don't believe anyone should be forced to get jabbed with this potion, but if teachers aren't willing to go to the classroom at this point, they need to be fired.  The schools don't exist for them, they exist at the forbearance of the tax paying community because we believe it's one way to promote a healthy society.   This highlights a huge difference in the education system between Canada and the US.
In Canada, teachers are paid exceptionally well and their Unions are always amongst the strongest in the country, probably the continent. If Teachers en masse refuse to go to the classroom because of the vaccine or lack of a vaccine at some point, the struggle will shut down the Education system until it's resolved. Here, the idea that the schools exist for the kids is at least questioned by the educators and their unions.
I don't know where teachers will fall on the priority list of vaccine-eligible in this province/country, but when that line is drawn, there could be a lot of conflict between the School boards/Provincial government and the Teachers over where the line is...and I don't know if the Teachers would want the vaccine early or later or not at all here, I just know the problem will start when it is determined where in line they are.
The fight over class sizes was a big story in Ontario last year, and the advent of the virus became almost a political point between the Union and Government when negotiating new deals, each side using it as an excuse to advance the negotiating agenda. With most in the province now having contracts signed, perhaps the vaccine will be less of a politically motivated sticking point as things develop, but I'm not counting on it.


I don't think the difference is all that great, actually.  Teachers' unions in the States are extremely powerful, and, contrary to what they'd have you believe, most teachers are very well remunerated, particularly when you take into account their benefit package.  And yes, I don't think it's debatable that a good chunk of them, particularly on the administrative side, believe the education industry exists for their benefit.  

Now, if they all agreed en masse to stop working, I'm not sure that would be a bad thing.  The entire system needs to be destroyed and, ahem, "built back better".  Right now they mostly have the cover of being able to say, "the government says it's too dangerous to teach!"  If schools get reopened and they still refuse to work all bets are off and I hope the community uses this opportunity to take a scalpel to the whole racket.  
But then I look at the comments all the moms post on my daughter's Class Dojo app and I realize we're well and truly fucked.  
Interesting, I was under the impression that the US Teachers and their Unions were miles behind the Ontario/Canadian model. I had no idea that the US versions were catching up, so to speak.

You know if you're getting your info about teaching & unions from KGB then it's accurate.



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 Posted: Thu Jan 14th, 2021 06:23 pm
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The Ultimate Sin wrote: khawk wrote: KGB wrote: khawk wrote: KGB wrote:
Modern school districts were created by communities who believed it was beneficial to standardize and make universal the training that children received before they were old enough to contribute to the maintenance of the community.  The schools are for children; they're not a jobs program for adults.  I don't believe anyone should be forced to get jabbed with this potion, but if teachers aren't willing to go to the classroom at this point, they need to be fired.  The schools don't exist for them, they exist at the forbearance of the tax paying community because we believe it's one way to promote a healthy society.   This highlights a huge difference in the education system between Canada and the US.
In Canada, teachers are paid exceptionally well and their Unions are always amongst the strongest in the country, probably the continent. If Teachers en masse refuse to go to the classroom because of the vaccine or lack of a vaccine at some point, the struggle will shut down the Education system until it's resolved. Here, the idea that the schools exist for the kids is at least questioned by the educators and their unions.
I don't know where teachers will fall on the priority list of vaccine-eligible in this province/country, but when that line is drawn, there could be a lot of conflict between the School boards/Provincial government and the Teachers over where the line is...and I don't know if the Teachers would want the vaccine early or later or not at all here, I just know the problem will start when it is determined where in line they are.
The fight over class sizes was a big story in Ontario last year, and the advent of the virus became almost a political point between the Union and Government when negotiating new deals, each side using it as an excuse to advance the negotiating agenda. With most in the province now having contracts signed, perhaps the vaccine will be less of a politically motivated sticking point as things develop, but I'm not counting on it.


I don't think the difference is all that great, actually.  Teachers' unions in the States are extremely powerful, and, contrary to what they'd have you believe, most teachers are very well remunerated, particularly when you take into account their benefit package.  And yes, I don't think it's debatable that a good chunk of them, particularly on the administrative side, believe the education industry exists for their benefit.  

Now, if they all agreed en masse to stop working, I'm not sure that would be a bad thing.  The entire system needs to be destroyed and, ahem, "built back better".  Right now they mostly have the cover of being able to say, "the government says it's too dangerous to teach!"  If schools get reopened and they still refuse to work all bets are off and I hope the community uses this opportunity to take a scalpel to the whole racket.  
But then I look at the comments all the moms post on my daughter's Class Dojo app and I realize we're well and truly fucked.  
Interesting, I was under the impression that the US Teachers and their Unions were miles behind the Ontario/Canadian model. I had no idea that the US versions were catching up, so to speak.

You know if you're getting your info about teaching & unions from KGB then it's accurate.

I was just thinking the same thing.  You know those Canadians though, they're such polite fellas. 



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Your wife is a teacher, Rossi, how do you find their pay scale and their union power?
The Canadian versions are as I said.

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khawk wrote: Your wife is a teacher, Rossi, how do you find their pay scale and their union power?
The Canadian versions are as I said.

The NYC teacher's union is one of the most powerful in the country, but they're very much in the pocket of the Democratic establishment in the city.  They flex their muscles when they want, protect bad teachers sometimes and leave some good ones hanging out to dry.  There are many teachers unions throughout the country not nearly as powerful.  The pay scale in NYC is one of the better ones, but given cost of living it's not like any of them are doing great.  The vaunted benefits package that KGB knows so much about isn't as good as mine, so my wife is on my insurance (I have exceptionally good insurance though since I work for an international organization and not a shitty American company).  I'm not sure what other perks he thinks there is, my wife has to pay for her own supplies and if she wants to do anything special for the kids that's directly out of her pocket.  They used to reimburse up to $200 I think, with a system so complicated it wasn't worth trying to take advantage of it, but they took that away now too.  My wife got no maternity leave and had to use her sick days, which she now owes to the city to the point that she'll never catch up.  We planned it so that my son was born in late April so that summer break was coming up, and it still wiped out PTO and then some.  You'd think the union would be able to negotiate maternity leave at least, but no.  Anyway, the teachers union sure as hell isn't the police union, that's for sure, and the job is more dangerous. 

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Principal_Raditch wrote: Paging GWLEE
I teach in TX and thus, working without any real recourse and certainly no real “union”. We get paid about middle of the pack as far as salary is concerned but this is an at will state sot that means you will get fucked.  It is against state law for teachers to strike.  
“Texas Government Code, Sec. 617.003. Prohibition on Strikes by Public Employees.
    (a) Public employees may not strike or engage in an organized work stoppage against the state or a political subdivision of the state.
    (b) A public employee who violates Subsection (a) forfeits all civil service rights, reemployment rights, and any other rights, benefits, and privilegesthe employee enjoys as a result of public employment or former public employment.
    (c) The right of an individual to cease work may not be abridged if the individual is not acting in concert with others in an organized work stoppage.”



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Almost 390,000 deaths. A couple months ago Trump said it was almost over. 1 of the main reasons he is out soon.

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Many of my family were teachers; grandmother, aunts, uncles, cousins, my dad, and currently my nephew (who basically grew up in my parents' house and is like a younger brother) and wife work in public schools.  They were and are all very well taken care of.  My father's pension after retirement was 80% of his last salary, and the raises came every year like clockwork.  Their health care packages are superior to private industry.  I work for a massive corporate company, one that everyone in the world knows, and my wife's health care package blows mine out of the water. 
Now, that will differ from town to town, but where I live is very low income, one of those places where every kid in school gets a free breakfast and free lunch, and teachers and administrators are still well above the per capita income for the region.  So much funding now comes from the state and national level (and how does that happen if the unions don't have big-time clout?) that it doesn't matter how poor your town is, the schools get the things they need.   



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KGB wrote: Many of my family were teachers; grandmother, aunts, uncles, cousins, my dad, and currently my nephew (who basically grew up in my parents' house and is like a younger brother) and wife work in public schools.  They were and are all very well taken care of. 
Yeah, yeah.  I once let a black deliveryman use my toilet.  We disinfected for days afterwards, but it's the thought that counts. 



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srossi wrote: KGB wrote: Many of my family were teachers; grandmother, aunts, uncles, cousins, my dad, and currently my nephew (who basically grew up in my parents' house and is like a younger brother) and wife work in public schools.  They were and are all very well taken care of. 
Yeah, yeah.  I once let a black deliveryman use my toilet.  We disinfected for days afterwards, but it's the thought that counts. 


Are you saying your opinion about teachers and schools, based on having a wife that's a teacher, is mostly irrelevant bullshit?



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