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 Posted: Sat Feb 13th, 2021 04:22 am
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The Ultimate Sin wrote: I hate that thing that Jay does where he puts his hand behind his back and talks shit to his opponent. He looks like a complete twat.
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Watched Saturday Night's Main Event #36 tonight (from August 2008). This was the final one that ever aired, and holy shit I realize why. What a turd of a show.

This was only an hour long, so the show less commercial breaks was about 42 minutes. Only had three matches, an eight man tag (Cena, Bautista, Cryme Tyme vs. Kane, JBL, Cody, DiBiase), Great Khali vs. Jimmy Wang Yang, and Edge vs. Jeff Hardy. Plus there was some sort of Jenny McCarthy autism awareness segment that just seemed awfully out of place although with good intentions. The matches were short, and this felt like a paid infomercial for SummerSlam.


The thing that stuck out most about this was how awful JR and Lawler were on commentary. If I was a casual fan stopping on this to check it out, I wouldn't have had any clue who any of these guys were. The show was too short to do those classic interviews segments to get the guys over like the old SNME's. Just bad all around.

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The Ultimate Sin wrote: I've gotten a bit obsessed with watching WWF house shows from 1980 on the Youtubes. I've watched a pretty good run of Philly & MSG.


Unfortunately, I'm not finding Jack-shit for 1981.


Do any of you cats have some links or playlists for 1981 house shows? I'm hoping for full shows, not individual matches.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IVZhkqm60n4
MSG 2/16/81, came across my Youtube subs today.

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I'm watching Starrcade 1984 tonight.  Other than seeing a couple of matches and clips from this through the years (the PWI Lords of the Ring VHS and Best of the Starrcades (first ten years)), I've never seen this full event.

Watched the first half before dinner, and it's somewhat of a total shitshow.  I guess I can't be too hard on them because this is still early closed circuit (not even PPV), so they didn't have much experience running live television shows.

Gordon Solie and Bob Caudle have the call.  Bob makes a number of mistakes, and Gordon's kind of tough on him.


First match kind of sets the tone.  Mike Davis defending the World Jr. Heavyweight title against Denny Brown.  They do the double pin on a back suplex, Denny clearly pulls his should up at two, so you know where this is going when Mike Davis jumps up and acts like he won.  Mess up #1, Earl Hebner raises Denny Brown's hand for a second but realizes that doesn't build suspense, so quickly drops it.  Mess up #2, Ring announcer Tommy Miller announces Mike Davis is the winner and still champ AFTER Hebner gives Denny the title and raises his hand.  Caudle and Solie are totally confused.  Caudle at one point says Mike Davis lifted his shoulder and is the new champion (what?).  Total fucking trainwreck.


2nd match was Brian Adidas vs. Mr. Ito.    Quick match, Adidas wins with the airplane spin.  He had a decent babyface look.


3rd match was Mike Graham vs. Jesse Barr for the Florida Title.  Barr wins with his feet on the ropes.  Really good old school match that told a story.  Graham was trying to get the figure four on Barr, who escaped three different times.

4th match - The Assassin and Buzz Tyler vs. the Zambuii Express, who had an awesome look.  The first four matches definitely are really heavy with Florida action.  This was supposed to be an elimination match.  The first two guys (Buzz and one of the Zambuiis) were counted out, but the ref didn't ring the bell.  Assassin pinned the other Zambuii.  Caudle thought that was the first elimination and was bewildered when the match did not continue.  The guys are leaving the ring while Caudle is saying, ok now let's continue with the next fall.  Gordon had to correct him.

5th match - Brass Knuckles Title, Black Bart defending against Manny.  Total blood bath.  You can see the gigs flying out of Manny's hands at one point.  Manny wins it with a rollup after JJ tried to give Bart the bullrope.  Fans hugging and high-fiving Manny after the match as he's literally drenched in blood.  Ah, the pre-Aids era.

6th match - Paul Jones beats Jimmy Valiant in a tuxedo match after all kinds of hijinx and shit, with JJ coming down and hitting Boogie with a can of WD-40.  Boogie has to "leave town".

That's as far as I got before dinner.  Still got Wahoo vs. Superstar, Dusty vs. Flair, and Steamboat vs. Tully coming up, so hopefully those latter two matches save this.  

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Also, have to say, 1984 Dusty is annoying as fuck. In the pre-match interviews with Tony backstage, Flair comes off as a total likeable guy (pats Tony on the back), and Dusty's sitting there (won't stand up) all relaxed like he doesn't give a fuck. Then, Dusty's whole rap is just a complete Ali rip-off. Did anyone ever call him on this?



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Blazer wrote: IGordon Solie and Bob Caudle have the call.  Bob makes a number of mistakes, and Gordon's kind of tough on him.

I haven't seen the show, but am surprised to read this because Solie was a known alcoholic and was normally the one to fuck things up. The year prior he kept saying throughout the Piper vs. Valentine Dog Collar match that it was for the U S. title when it wasn't and after the match he finally corrected himself. From what I remember Bob didn't say a peep about Solie being mistaken, so if it's true that Solie was hard on Bob here for any mistakes he may have made, then fuck Gordon Solie because I love me some Bob Caudle.

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Been going through a bunch of 1990 Prime Times last few days.

The match quality for the most part blows (Heenan and Gorilla are still excellent).

How long before April 1990 did the show become more squashes than "decent" matchups? These could have been an extended version of most of their regular TV shows at this point.

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khawk wrote: Been going through a bunch of 1990 Prime Times last few days.

The match quality for the most part blows (Heenan and Gorilla are still excellent).

How long before April 1990 did the show become more squashes than "decent" matchups? These could have been an extended version of most of their regular TV shows at this point.

Great question.  I've re-watched the Prime Time run from April '86 up to July of '89.  It sounds like where I'm at now in July 'of '89 is similar to you.  Basically we're seeing a combination of squash mashes.  Most of the matches were taped at the syndicated tapings but never aired, so Tony and Alfred do voiceovers. I notice the finishes on these matches sometime have mistakes or flubs, so maybe these weren't good enough for the syndies.   Along with that, there will be 2-3 matches taken directly from the syndicated shows, Challenge or Superstars (Gorilla/Bobby or Vince/Jesse). And then a main event between two "names", either a dark mark match from the syndies or a match from MSG (last ep I watched had Valentine vs. Neidhart from MSG, week before was Bad News vs. Lombardi "battle of the burroughs").

I want to say the change in direction happened sometime in late '88 as the NESN and PRISM broadcasts started to wind down.  In mid '88, they were definitely doing a hybrid of showing house shows matches along with squash matches from the syndies.  '88 has a ton of matches with the announcing teams led by Craig DeGeorge, Roger Kent, or Rod Trongard with Alfred and/or Billy Graham on color.

I think my favorite episode of Prime Time was when they showed the Frank Tunney tag tournament from Toronto (early '87).  You really felt like you were seeing something special.  By the summer of '89, it definitely seems like a recap show from the syndies though.

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My journey through Mid-South continues. I am into the later part of the summer of 1983.

- Junkyard Dog remains the top babyface. His physical conditioning had declined enough that Bill Watts regularly spent time on commentary noting that JYD had bulked up to face big guys like Kamala and King Kong Bundy, but remained as good as ever. His feud with Butch Reed was one of the main ongoing stories.

- Hacksaw Jim Duggan was extremely over as a babyface and was practically a joint lead babyface with JYD. His ring work wasn't pretty, but he worked hard and knew how to connect with the fans. He feuded with Skandor Akbar's crew in general, but Ted DiBiase specifically.

- Ted DiBiase had been the top heel in Mid-South for over a year, but by this point had given way to Butch Reed and was getting ready to move to Georgia. He and Duggan continued their feud.

- Butch Reed settled very well into his role as the top heel. By this point he'd defeated JYD for the North American Title and gave great interviews, coming off as jerk bully who continued to blame JYD for blocking him from the top matches when JYD had actually done nothing of the kind. Reed also had a lingering issue with Duggan over who was the real Hacksaw.

- Magnum TA came in and got over in a big way over just a matter of a few a weeks. Magnum was much bigger and more muscular than I had remembered. The formula was simple and would work now. He looked good, came off as a star, and he won regularly using his finishing belly to belly suplex. Magnum and Duggan were the tag team champs at this time.

- Mr. Wrestling II remained a popular favorite. He was looking really old physically, even with a mask hiding his face, and came off increasingly as a grouch in interviews. However, he had a long history in the area, won regularly with knee lift, came across as a skilled scientific wrestler, and the grouchy interviews had a lot of fire that made a fan believe that II really wanted to beat up his enemies.

- King Kong Bundy was doing his 5 count gimmick and had been established as nearly unstoppable. Steve Williams just returned from the USFL season with the New Jersey Generals. He and Bundy were set up to feud before Doc got back. Watts put over that Doc had heard about Bundy running roughshod through Mid-South and went to Atlantic City to ask around about him, learning that Bundy was regarded as an unsavory type who was known for being muscle for the loan sharks and mobsters. Bundy's Atlantic City Avalanche was a running powerslam like the Oklahoma Stampeder that Bill Watts and by then Doc used. So it was a natural issue.

- Kamala was splitting time between Mid-South and World Class. Because of this, he wasn't always available for Mid-South TV. To keep him in the picture, they'd air stuff with Kamala from the Sportatorium. In one instance Kamala squashed a couple of jobbers in a handicap match. In another Kamala was on what was claimed to be forest land on Akbar's estate, roaming around menacingly. The presentation of Akbar in World Class was different from that of Mid-South. His attire of a robe with a more elaborate keffiyeh (headdress) in Dallas contrasted with him wearing street clothes with a vest and a more humble white cloth keffiyeh in Mid-South.

- Akbar's army was changing. Kendo Nagasaki came in during the spring with a big push and Akbar as his manager, but he never got over and was eventually jobbed out and by this was point was gone. Kabuki had been there often in the preceding years, so it's easy to see fans rejecting Kendo as a poor imitation. Boris Zhukov, then called Boris Zurkhov, came in as part of Akbar's crew, but has been downgraded to an undercard to low midcard guy. Mr. Olympia had a lot of steam after his heel turn, but is being phased down. My recollection is Akbar gets some new blood in his stable by early fall.

- The undercard guys were mostly younger wrestlers who were decent to good workers. Johnny Rich, Tim Horner, Rip Rogers, Art Crews, and Doug Vines were among them. There were no sad sack jobbers here.

- At the most recent taping I have seen, Jim Ross was on commentary with Boyd Pierce instead of Bill Watts. JR had called the action in the final days of the McGuirk promotion and appeared on Mid-South TV in the spring of 1982 when Watts swallowed up McGuirk's territory, mainly to help transition things for the Oklahoma and Arkansas viewers. Jim hadn't been on TV much since. He showed great potential here, but was green and a bit out of practice. He became one of the best in the business in no time.

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-In another Kamala was on what was claimed to be forest land on Akbar's estate, roaming around menacingly.


That jungle is Jerry Jarrett's backyard according to Corny.



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The Ultimate Sin wrote: tamalie wrote:
-In another Kamala was on what was claimed to be forest land on Akbar's estate, roaming around menacingly.


That jungle is Jerry Jarrett's backyard according to Corny.

This was a completely different segment from the Memphis clip taped on Jerry Jarrett's spread, which Mid-South used in 1982 when bringing Kamala in for the first time. The vignette Mid-South aired in August of 1983 came from World Class with Bill Mercer and a camera crew out by the woods with Skandor Akbar, The Mongol (Gene Petit), Friday, and an unidentified black man of average size and build wearing a dashiki (it wasn't Armand Hussein). Mercer asked where Kamala was an Akbar did a spiel about Kamala living in his natural habitat or something like that. Eventually Kamala emerged from the woods and did the savage routine, shoving Mercer, and then becoming entranced and eventually confused and angered by the camera, causing the cameraman to step backwards in fear which made for a good visual.

Regarding my comment about Ted DiBiase being close to done in Mid-South, on the episode from the first week of September 1983 that I watched last night, Ted challenged Hacksaw Jim Duggan to a match the following week to settle their feud once and for all, vowing to leave the territory if Duggan won. Ted would be in Georgia within the next two or three weeks.

Krusher Darsow was inadvertently left out of the recap. He turned up as a heel doing a mountain man gimmick, wearing a plaid shirt with the sleeves cut off and really bad looking cutoff jean shorts with a rope belt. It was explained that he had been living a hermit lifestyle in Northern Minnesota, hunting, fishing, and living off the land. Apparently at some point he rejoined society because it was claimed on commentary that he had decided to come to Mid-South after seeing it on TV while working as a bar bouncer. It is hard to explain how bad his gear was. Becoming Krusher Khrushchev was a blessing for him.

Some sort of alliance with Georgia was happening. Buzz Sawyer and Tommy Rich came in for the most recent Superdome show and at this TV taping both Buzz Sawyer and The Road Warriors worked squashes. Rick Rude, then known as Rick Rood and a babyface minus his Ravishing gimmick, also got a win over Rip Rogers in the type of competitive bout between undercard guys that this promotion regularly put on TV. Ted DiBiase wanted to work in Georgia in part to get the WTBS exposure as a heel, but perhaps Watts agreed to send him in the opposite direction. Magnum TA and Butch Reed would eventually work dates there.

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It's funny watching green Rick Rude and Steve Williams at this time. Rude is all arms and legs. I guess he didn't work things out until he went to Memphis.

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tamalie wrote: The Ultimate Sin wrote: tamalie wrote:
-In another Kamala was on what was claimed to be forest land on Akbar's estate, roaming around menacingly.


That jungle is Jerry Jarrett's backyard according to Corny.



Krusher Darsow was inadvertently left out of the recap. He turned up as a heel doing a mountain man gimmick, wearing a plaid shirt with the sleeves cut off and really bad looking cutoff jean shorts with a rope belt. It was explained that he had been living a hermit lifestyle in Northern Minnesota, hunting, fishing, and living off the land. Apparently at some point he rejoined society because it was claimed on commentary that he had decided to come to Mid-South after seeing it on TV while working as a bar bouncer. It is hard to explain how bad his gear was. Becoming Krusher Khrushchev was a blessing for him.

Those cut off short shorts look like he just danced a shift at some gay bar then came to the TV Taping.  Not that there's anything wrong with that.



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Spatulapup wrote: It's funny watching green Rick Rude and Steve Williams at this time. Rude is all arms and legs. I guess he didn't work things out until he went to Memphis.
Rick Rude's body got more defined after he left Mid-South, but my recollection was he was still pretty lanky and not anything special in the ring while in Memphis. The big change was that he developed a personality and the Ravishing Rick Rude gimmick started to take shape. He got better as time passed and had noticeably improved by the time he got to JCP in the fall of 1986.

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