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Voting lines are insane in NYC.  I've never seen it like this.  I got pretty lucky.  My wife went at 6am and gave up after a half hour because she had to get home to work.  She'll try again later.  I went at 8am and there was a line around the block, but after 5 minutes they were asking people what district they were in and sending people to the front of the line.  I was one of the lucky ones whose district was pretty empty at that moment so I went right in.

Because we all have the cooties, we not only get the "I Voted" sticker, but this year, as an added bonus at no additional cost, we get to keep the pen we used!  Who says we get nothing for our tax dollars.  Each pen was probably purchased from a government contractor for the low price of $649.99 , and now it's mine for free (other than my taxes going up 5% to cover the expenses)!  I love my country!

I proudly voted for Jo Jorgensen for President.  I voted for the Republican to get AOC out of the House, I abstained from the State Senate, and I voted for the Democratic judges.  We didn't have any propositions or really anything interesting going on at all in local races. 

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srossi wrote: Each pen was probably purchased from a government contractor for the low price of $649.99 , and now it's mine for free (other than my taxes going up 5% to cover the expenses)!  I love my country!


Socialist cocksucker. I hope your vote for Burney makes you sleep well at night comrade.

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Here in Illinois, there's a change to the state constitution on the ballot. The amendment would essentially overturn the flat tax rate for the state to create a graduated income tax. Our governor (JB Pritzker, a billionaire on his own) has spent over a hundred million dollars promoting this, saying it will lower income tax for 97% of the state and only increase taxes on the wealthiest. Hmmm. In reality, the amendment allows the state to now change the income tax for any tier to anything they want in the future without any electoral consent.

Knowing Illinois politicians, this will come back to bite the middle class hard. Hopefully the sheep don't fall for commercials and ads.

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I'll go after work.  I don't anticipate any delays.  Actually, there are never are where I vote, but this year there has been early voting available for a couple weeks just a few blocks away.  My mom and sister went the other day, and I think many others have already voted.  So I'm expecting it to be very quiet at the polls when I go.

My 77 year old mom asked me last night why they were boarding up the windows in Washington DC.  "Is it because they think the Trump voters will riot if he loses?"  I pointed out that Hillary Clinton polled over 90% in Washington 4 years ago.  So no, Trump voters aren't going to be the issue, as there really aren't any in that town.  I love the old lady but this is the low-information ignorance that gets drilled into her head by watching only network news and CNN.  

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This ain't getting solved tonight.

Deep down, nobody's life is suddenly gonna get 1 million times better or worse regardless of who gets into office. Trumps not gonna make everyone rich and Biden's not gonna get the US Canada-style healthcare. There's still gonna be antifas, proud boys, mass shooters and covids no matter whose in the white House

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Here in Maryland, legalization of sports betting is on the ballot. Proceeds will supposedly benefit schools.

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srossi wrote: Voting lines are insane in NYC.  I've never seen it like this.

Did New York have voting by mail or early voting? I am surprised to hear that places are having really long lines for voting today since other voting options were available.

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Didn't know sports betting wasn't legal in Maryland yet! Learn something new everyday

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I trolled a few of my coworkers who are hardcore cons by telling them I found a polling station that let me vote even though I"m not a citizen.

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I trolled a few of my coworkers who are hardcore cons by telling them I found a polling station that let me vote even though I"m not a citizen.

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Judging by the double post above you also told them you voted twice.

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I voted this morning and went to the polls expecting a long line and wait. That wasn't the case. I walked in to find no line, instantly got my ballot, went to an open booth, filled it out, submitted it, and was out of there in under 10 minutes. There was a significantly longer wait, although not at all bad, to vote in the primary. I either got lucky by coming at the right time and the long waits in line occurred earlier and will occur later or a lot of people chose to vote early or as absentee voters.

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Big Garea Fan wrote: Here in Maryland, legalization of sports betting is on the ballot. Proceeds will supposedly benefit schools.



Everything is for schools and libraries now.


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beejmi wrote: Big Garea Fan wrote: Here in Maryland, legalization of sports betting is on the ballot. Proceeds will supposedly benefit schools.



Everything is for schools and libraries now.



Uh huh, Maryland residents heard the same story about 10 years ago when casinos moved into the state. Gotta wonder where all of that money is going though since there are numerous schools throughout the state that don't even have basics such as heat / air conditioning much less computers.

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https://bongino.com/draft-kings-election-pool-a-majority-in-49-states-predict-a-trump-win

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Trumps got Biden by the balls. Unless there's a miracle in Pennsylvania and Arizona Joeis done

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And the second I type that Georgia goes Blue again.

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And back to red.

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I guess the election results people didn't learn anything from the 2016 election. I am following the election results on Yahoo and a bunch of states are being called before a single vote has been counted.

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It's probably over. Michigan red to start. Ah well, same time, same place in 4 years?

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Big Garea Fan wrote: I guess the election results people didn't learn anything from the 2016 election. I am following the election results on Yahoo and a bunch of states are being called before a single vote has been counted.


I’m going to avoid it for a few hours for that exact reason. 

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NC goes blue, Texas is still somehow w blue, Michigan is red... PA is blue.... Who the fuck knows anymore. I'm getting a beer.


Oh, and fuck Rossi (TM)

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broke wrote: Oh, and fuck Rossi (TM)
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Georgia and Florida looking like Trump.

Pennsylvania wayyyy blue, but it's early. Only 7% in.

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First newsworthy race has been decided as Mitch McConnell had won re-election.

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North Carolina is.... Blue?

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NC will be tight. Biden only up by a sliver with 20% of the vote still out.

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About 20 minutes ago PA had 7% of the vote in and Biden was up 82% to 18%. Now 11% of the vote in, and Biden only has 63%. Will be fun to watch these numbers trend down.

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When do the early voting / mail-in ballots get added into the totals?

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Big Garea Fan wrote: When do the early voting / mail-in ballots get added into the totals?

It’s confusing. They are already being added in some states I think, other states can’t possibly add most of them for another day or two because they weren’t even legally allowed to open them until polls closed or they can just be postmarked today and might not arrive for 2 days. 

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Trump takes the lead in TX.

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Blazer wrote: About 20 minutes ago PA had 7% of the vote in and Biden was up 82% to 18%. Now 11% of the vote in, and Biden only has 63%. Will be fun to watch these numbers trend down.
Biden up only 58% now to Trump’s 42% with 14% of the vote on.  This will plummet.
Trump up huge in MI.

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Betting Odds in Vegas just flipped according to Brit Hume. Trump 64% Odds to win. Biden began with 65% odds.

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NC down to a 20,000 difference with 14% left. Trump charging hard!

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Now I see why they are installing fences around the White House - Trump only has 5.9% of the DC vote (with 55% of the polls reporting)

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Blazer wrote: Blazer wrote: About 20 minutes ago PA had 7% of the vote in and Biden was up 82% to 18%. Now 11% of the vote in, and Biden only has 63%. Will be fun to watch these numbers trend down.
Biden up only 58% now to Trump’s 42% with 14% of the vote on.  This will plummet.
Trump up huge in MI.

Trump takes a 0.7% lead in PA with 25% of the vote in.

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It's done. Dems had an easy lay-up and basically shot themselves in the foot. Plus side - Travlr Meltdowns!

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I can’t believe Graham is on pace to be re-elected; he got smoked in fundraising which I know isnt everything but I still thought he was in danger.

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Ohio just flipped to Trump a few minutes ago; Columbus is so blue it took awhile for the rest of the state to catch up.

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Big Garea Fan wrote: Now I see why they are installing fences around the White House - Trump only has 5.9% of the DC vote (with 55% of the polls reporting)

I’d have so much more respect for Democrats if they actually stormed the gates en masse. Instead, they’ll send out angry tweets while taking an extra Xanax in their safe space. It’s a modern-day Fort Sumter. 

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Big Garea Fan wrote: beejmi wrote: Big Garea Fan wrote: Here in Maryland, legalization of sports betting is on the ballot. Proceeds will supposedly benefit schools.



Everything is for schools and libraries now.



Uh huh, Maryland residents heard the same story about 10 years ago when casinos moved into the state. Gotta wonder where all of that money is going though since there are numerous schools throughout the state that don't even have basics such as heat / air conditioning much less computers.

The told us that shit in Michigan in the 80s, but all they did was move the money.  The added the Lotto money to schools and then reduced school funding by an equal amount.  Robbed Peter to pay Paul, so to speak.

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Biden winning Arizona seems shocking to me. Arizona? Trump looks like he’ll take Florida, which is always big.

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I am tracking the numbers on Yahoo hoping that their state-by-state predictions are wrong (For the states that they have predicted a Republican victory - I want a Democrat to win. For the states that they have predicted a Democrat victory - I want a Republican to win). So far, their predictions are very accurate. The best possibility for a flip is Virginia so far.

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srossi wrote: Biden winning Arizona seems shocking to me. Arizona? Trump looks like he’ll take Florida, which is always big.

People from Cali bringing their politics with them to Arizona 



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The Ultimate Sin wrote: Big Garea Fan wrote: beejmi wrote: Big Garea Fan wrote: Here in Maryland, legalization of sports betting is on the ballot. Proceeds will supposedly benefit schools.



Everything is for schools and libraries now.



Uh huh, Maryland residents heard the same story about 10 years ago when casinos moved into the state. Gotta wonder where all of that money is going though since there are numerous schools throughout the state that don't even have basics such as heat / air conditioning much less computers.

The told us that shit in Michigan in the 80s, but all they did was move the money.  The added the Lotto money to schools and then reduced school funding by an equal amount.  Robbed Peter to pay Paul, so to speak.


The CA lotto has given California schools something like 37 billion since 1985. 

Seems like a big number but I don’t know what it translates to in the real world 

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Franchise wrote: srossi wrote: Biden winning Arizona seems shocking to me. Arizona? Trump looks like he’ll take Florida, which is always big.

People from Cali bringing their politics with them to Arizona 

Be honest, are you just watching other people watch election coverage on YouTube tonight?

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Politico reporting that PA is done counting mail in ballots for the night (still over 250,000 to count).

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srossi wrote: Franchise wrote: srossi wrote: Biden winning Arizona seems shocking to me. Arizona? Trump looks like he’ll take Florida, which is always big.

People from Cali bringing their politics with them to Arizona 

Be honest, are you just watching other people watch election coverage on YouTube tonight?


Not at all. I’m checking the USA Today page for Ohio numbers, watching a little tv and talking to my friends in TX, CA and AZ. 

https://www.usatoday.com/elections/results/race/2020-11-03-presidential-OH-0/?itm_source=oembed&itm_medium=news&itm_campaign=electionresults


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Blazer wrote: Politico reporting that PA is done counting mail in ballots for the night (still over 250,000 to count).
Oh OK, it’s not like it’s important or anything. Take a few mental health days, go to a spa, get back to us in a week or two. I just want to make sure you’re not stressed. 

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Given the news stories in the MSM, I was expecting Trump to get blown out. Right now, Trump is leading nearly all of the "Up for Grabs" states and would have enough electoral votes to win this thing. Could the MSM get it wrong 2 presidential elections in a row?

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Big Garea Fan wrote: Given the news stories in the MSM, I was expecting Trump to get blown out. Right now, Trump is leading nearly all of the "Up for Grabs" states and would have enough electoral votes to win this thing. Could the MSM get it wrong 2 presidential elections in a row?


Adding to the above, is anyone watching election coverage on any of the networks? What are they saying? I can't tune in since the family is watching "Luke Cage" on Netflix.

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Big Garea Fan wrote: Given the news stories in the MSM, I was expecting Trump to get blown out. Right now, Trump is leading nearly all of the "Up for Grabs" states and would have enough electoral votes to win this thing. Could the MSM get it wrong 2 presidential elections in a row?

Is this a serious question?

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Big Garea Fan wrote: Big Garea Fan wrote: Given the news stories in the MSM, I was expecting Trump to get blown out. Right now, Trump is leading nearly all of the "Up for Grabs" states and would have enough electoral votes to win this thing. Could the MSM get it wrong 2 presidential elections in a row?


Adding to the above, is anyone watching election coverage on any of the networks? What are they saying? I can't tune in since the family is watching "Luke Cage" on Netflix.

They chose tonight to start watching a show that was canceled 2 years ago?  I hope they at least watched Jessica Jones first. It was better. 

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They chose tonight to start watching a show that was canceled 2 years ago?  I hope they at least watched Jessica Jones first. It was better. 
Ha ha, it is our COVID quarantine project. We are watching all of the Marvel Cinematic Universe films, TV, etc in storyline chronological order. I am surprised at how good the Marvel offerings on Netflix (Jessica Jones, Daredevil, Luke Cage) have been. Haven't gotten to any episodes of Iron Fist or The Defenders yet.

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They chose tonight to start watching a show that was canceled 2 years ago?  I hope they at least watched Jessica Jones first. It was better. 
Ha ha, it is our COVID quarantine project. We are watching all of the Marvel Cinematic Universe films, TV, etc in storyline chronological order. I am surprised at how good the Marvel offerings on Netflix (Jessica Jones, Daredevil, Luke Cage) have been. Haven't gotten to any episodes of Iron Fist or The Defenders yet.

You can skip Iron Fist. Jessica Jones Season 1 is as good a season of any show as I’ve ever seen, period. Luke Cage is good and so is Punisher. Daredevil was OK.  Then Disney+ fucked everything up. Now back to our regularly scheduled programming...Trump and Biden suck. 

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Really interesting pattern, where about 65% of the early mail in vote went to Biden, and all of today’s in person voting has skewed
Republican. That’s why we’re seeing Trump charging hard in the swing states.

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Blazer wrote: Really interesting pattern, where about 65% of the early mail in vote went to Biden, and all of today’s in person voting has skewed
Republican. That’s why we’re seeing Trump charging hard in the swing states.

Totally expected all along. Dems did mail-in, Republicans wanted in-person. Trump needs to win BIG today to stave off all the mail-in votes that will trickle in over the next 2 days, but the problem is he’ll claim complete victory tonight and fraud as he slips tomorrow. 

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Blazer wrote: Really interesting pattern, where about 65% of the early mail in vote went to Biden, and all of today’s in person voting has skewed
Republican. That’s why we’re seeing Trump charging hard in the swing states.

This is what I am really interested in this year. How big of a difference will mail-in / early voting have on the final election results? Given how hard Trump pushed against mail-in voting, I assumed that it would somehow benefit Democrats. However, according to an article that I read in the New York Times, studies have shown that mail-in / early voting doesn't seem to make a difference between the political parties and will be in line with the in-person votes.

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The more the talking head on CNN tries to talk himself into saying it’s early and we need to be patient, the more I think Trump will win.

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Biden is still going to win...they’ll find enough votes over the next few days mark it down..

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Beg to differ. Other than AZ, the swing states are going to Trump tonight. Trump will delcare victory in the wee hours. No blue wave.

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Sarah Huckabee Sanders says they’re “cautiously optimistic” on Fox News but seems nervous. She knows it could come down to PA and wants them to keep counting, which won’t happen.  She refuses to concede AZ, even though everyone had called it for Biden. Even Fox had pushed back and said he lost that one. 

Back on CNN, they’re trying to focus on Philly going to Biden by 90+% senate but even they know that means nothing. They’re also lamenting the fact that PA has stopped counting votes. Seriously, how are they allowed to just stop at 10pm?!

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Trump basically just needs to win two out of three from PA, MI, and WI

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How many mail in votes are still out there though?

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Blazer wrote: Trump basically just needs to win two out of three from PA, MI, and WI
Yeah, with AZ going to Biden there’s only 3 that matter still up for grabs. If Biden can take either MI or WI then we get into messy territory where we won’t know until tomorrow at the earliest. If Trump can take both, he can clinch tonight. AZ really fucked him though. 

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Interesting that Biden is going to speak first and not Trump. A rare display of balls by a Democrat to try to speak from a position of strength.

Fox just interviewed with someone who double-downed on Biden winning AZ and actually said, “I’m sorry” but Biden will win. Nice that he had to apologize for math.  I’m trying to watch Fox frequently to avoid the liberal bias. But hearing Fox repeatedly refer to Trump votes as “we” is nauseating. They can’t even pretend?

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Biden speaks. It’s drive-in night and he says “we feel like we’re on track to win this election” but “we have to be patient”.

He’s preparing people that it will take a while to figure it out, and he’s not saying anything worthwhile, but I give him credit for speaking first. 

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Not sure how it is on the other networks but I am watching ABC News with Chris Christie (R) and Rahm Emanuel (D) on the panel of talking heads. These 2 guys are constantly interrupting each other and pissing on each other's points. Are any political news shows civil anymore or have they all devolved into pissing contests and shouting contests?

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srossi wrote: Blazer wrote: Trump basically just needs to win two out of three from PA, MI, and WI
Yeah, with AZ going to Biden there’s only 3 that matter still up for grabs. If Biden can take either MI or WI then we get into messy territory where we won’t know until tomorrow at the earliest. If Trump can take both, he can clinch tonight. AZ really fucked him though. 
ABC News seems to only be focusing on the AZ race since Biden is currently winning it. Trump is currently up in PA, WI, TX, MI, NC, and GA but these states are rarely getting mentioned (if at all). In the rare instances where one of these states are mentioned, they are quick to follow it up with "early vote still needs to be counted".

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Big Garea Fan wrote: Not sure how it is on the other networks but I am watching ABC News with Chris Christie (R) and Rahm Emanuel (D) on the panel of talking heads. These 2 guys are constantly interrupting each other and pissing on each other's points. Are any political news shows civil anymore or have they all devolved into pissing contests and shouting contests?

I turned those 2 assholes off. The 2 most corrupt people from their parties. Why would any news source give them an outlet. 

On CNN, you have Van Jones crying (literally) about how the political victory may come fir Biden but the moral victory is lacking because Trump is clearly doing very well. Then Rick Santorum is also on the panel and he’s being Rick Santorum. It’s a joke. 

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I expect the election results are going to drag on for weeks as the lawyers for each side contest as many ballots as possible to try to either flip a ballot to their side or get their opponent's ballot disqualified. The lawyers are gonna get rich and the taxpayers are gonna be stuck with the bill.

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Blazer wrote: Crazy that the entire country could come down to one or two counties in the country. Allegheny County in PA is also still out there.I'm sure there's a short story (Borges?) about an election in which the wonks had worked out to such a fine degree which states and which counties mattered, that they could pinpoint one man, and declare that whichever candidate he voted for, would win the election.
So instead of having the expense of an election, they just asked him.

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Man the fact that Trump is looking like he is going to win this shows that since the advent of TV if you are a strong candidate with a vibrant personality and charisma you are more like to resonate with voters than any policy you can spew.

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Dems have themselves to blame.
They run a guy who is basically months from drooling on himself. Cmon they should have been able to easily win.

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Too close to call at this hour. If Trump takes Michigan and PA, he wins. I believe Arizona is still in play and it's down to these three states in all reality.

I think Wisconsin has went for Biden by the narrowest of margins while Georiga and North Carolina land in Trump's basket.

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In the time it took for my dentist to replace a filling, Michigan turned Blue. This whole thing may have come down to Nebraska-2. This is nuts.

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8,000 votes separating them in NV; 12,000 in MI.

And I could have used a couple more hours of sleep.

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Analysis of pollsters fucking up from twitter.

Trump's performance compared to RCP:

OH: +7
WI: +6
IA: +6
TX: +5
FL: +4.5
NC: +1
GA: +1
AZ: -2.5
MN: -3

And compared to 538 averages:

OH: +7
WI: +8
IA: +7
TX: +5
FL: +6
NC: +3
GA: +3
MN: +2
AZ: -1

Given that there were, at most, about 20 percentage points in play, I think I might become an opinion pollster. Easiest fucking money on the planet. Charge £10m, make shit up, throw it out there, be as accurate as anything else.

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I'd like to see a fair winner. This kind of stuff is shitty.

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Blazer wrote: Michigan just dumped a batch of ballots, adding 138,000 votes for Biden and zero for Trump.

I'd like to see a fair winner. This kind of stuff is shitty.
Lolz.  Silly shit like this is why the right is so adamantly against mail in votes.  

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Blazer wrote: Michigan just dumped a batch of ballots, adding 138,000 votes for Biden and zero for Trump.

I'd like to see a fair winner. This kind of stuff is shitty.Help me understand "Dumping a batch of ballots". They just magically found 138,000 votes for Biden?
Serious question. Please don't make me turn on the news and have to wade through all that ridiculousness to figure it out. :)

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They're counting ballots through the morning and post results in batches rather than the numbers going up by one vote each time. They're updating hourly or so. Michigan totals just went up approximately 138,000 for Biden and Trump's number didn't change. Seems questionable, right? The only thing sketchier would be if one of the candidates LOST votes on an update.

Another sketchy thing I read- Nevada registered voters were sent ballots in the mail, whether they asked for one or not. No chance of fraud there, right?

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Thanks for the clarification.

That seems odd in the sense that poll updates usually go by the whole batch of returns...County A casts 55 ballots for Trump, 38 for Biden, etc., and those get posted to the running total as such. At least that's what we see in a Canadian election for eat Member of Parliament's seat. Different systems but you'd think the counting style would be the same.

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Arizona was not a surprise for me.

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Superstar wrote: Has the overwhelming support for Kanye West from the Yeezy Nation impacted the results yet?
He actually got some votes in Kentucky 😂 

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He actually got some votes in Kentucky 😂 

He got a few thousand votes in a lot of states. 

https://apple.news/AwOxDSsreRJq1g4bqtdrJ9A

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A candidate who died of Covid last month has won his race.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/north-dakota-state-legislative-candidate-david-andahl-who-died-from-covid-19-wins-election

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srossi wrote: A candidate who died of Covid last month has won his race.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/north-dakota-state-legislative-candidate-david-andahl-who-died-from-covid-19-wins-election


Sounds ridiculous until you read the story. With the huge number of elected officials in the US, this must happen more than people think.

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There will be an explanation for this. If you were going to rig a election, this would a crazy mistake to make, having done the hard bit of getting the ballots in and counted. Theory: the ballots were separated by candidate before being counted, and this is Biden's total from that process. Only crazies on the internet are picking up on this. Also possible that the screenshot was taken at a specific point in the middle of figures being added and someone caught it just as Biden's figures were added. Or maybe it's just FRAUDULANT!

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^^^This would be complete and utter fraud.  You're opening ballots and tossing them in a pile for each presidential candidate?  What about the votes for other candidates in the races down the ballot?  And what happens if a pile or two disappears magically?  This would be a huge fraud.

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^^^This would be complete and utter fraud.  You're opening ballots and tossing them in a pile for each presidential candidate?  What about the votes for other candidates in the races down the ballot?  And what happens if a pile or two disappears magically?  This would be a huge fraud.
It's only fraud if shenanigans are attached to the method. Could be just a stupid method.

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^^^This would be complete and utter fraud.  You're opening ballots and tossing them in a pile for each presidential candidate?  What about the votes for other candidates in the races down the ballot?  And what happens if a pile or two disappears magically?  This would be a huge fraud.
It's only fraud if shenanigans are attached to the method. Could be just a stupid method.


I'd forgotten you use one ballot paper for every vote. My second theory that it's simply down to the way the data was input into whatever website makes more sense anyway. 

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srossi wrote: Fox News has just given MN to Biden. It’s hilarious to hear Fox speak from a very clear Trump perspective and everyone else speaking from a Biden perspective. Can anyone be impartial?  No one is reporting, everyone is rooting. 

Trump campaigned harder here than any Republican I can remember. He lost by a narrow margin to Hillary, so he and his team felt taking the state was legitimately possible. Their efforts caused Biden to step up his game in Minnesota in response, with several visits of his own. In the past, visits by the candidates were very rare and were along the lines of Bill Clinton and Barack Obama coming in to help congressional, senatorial, and gubernatorial candidates with joint appearances. 

No Republican candidate for President has carried Minnesota since Richard Nixon in 1972 and before then it was Dwight Eisenhower in 1956, neither winning the state by a landslide. The Trump campaign's internal numbers probably provided enough data to justify the efforts, but I wonder now if they're regretting the time and effort spent here instead of on other, closer battleground states that might end up slipping away when the final count is finished.

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Trump campaigned harder here than any Republican I can remember. He lost by a narrow margin to Hillary, so he and his team felt taking the state was legitimately possible. Their efforts caused Biden to step up his game in Minnesota in response, with several visits of his own. In the past, visits by the candidates were very rare and were along the lines of Bill Clinton and Barack Obama coming in to help congressional, senatorial, and gubernatorial candidates with joint appearances. 

No Republican candidate for President has carried Minnesota since Richard Nixon in 1972 and before then it was Dwight Eisenhower in 1956, neither winning the state by a landslide. The Trump campaign's internal numbers probably provided enough data to justify the efforts, but I wonder now if they're regretting the time and effort spent here instead of on other, closer battleground states that might end up slipping away when the final count is finished.

MN was all emotion and little strategy for the GOP. It’s all about that being George Floyd’s state. They wanted to prove a point there, especially in the wake of the protests. Reading my friends’ comments on FB, they were very focused on winning MN for the first time because of the “liberal tears”. They screwed themselves.  They closed the gap but weren’t going to win there. 

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In response to srossi, it never occurred to me that the George Floyd situation was why Trump pursued Minnesota so intensely, but it should have. That makes perfect sense. 

Trump is going to get more votes in Minnesota in 2020 than in 2016, but his margin of defeat is much wider this time around. Hillary got 1,367,716 and 46.44% to Trump's 1,322,951 and 44.92% in 2016. With 94% of the vote counted, Biden has 1,685,278 and 52.5% while Trump has 45.4% and 1,457,439. Last time around, candidates outside of the Big 2 parties got 8.64% of the vote. As it currently stands, this time it's only 2.10%. 

My take on that is some people hated Hillary Clinton so much, yet didn't think Trump had a chance to win Minnesota, that they supported non traditional candidates that had no chance of winning in 2016. This time, with the Democrats not running a candidate who so alienated people, in combination with fears of Trump taking the state, voters who went for other candidates came back to vote for Biden. 

That said, there were probably some Republicans in 2016 that couldn't bring themselves to vote for Trump and also therefore supported non traditional candidates, figuring the Republicans never win Minnesota and he had no chance. In, fact he had a chance last time and appeared to this time, so some of these people probably went for Trump this time around although likely not as many who went from third party and protest votes in 2016 to Biden in 2020.

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If it is any consolation to Biden, "the people have spoken" will be more legitimate since it appears he is going to beat Trump in electoral votes and popular votes. Last election, I think that Trump won the electoral votes but lost the popular votes.

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If it is any consolation to Biden, "the people have spoken" will be more legitimate since it appears he is going to beat Trump in electoral votes and popular votes. Last election, I think that Trump won the electoral votes but lost the popular votes.

It’s so close and so contested though that the claims the Dems have been trying to make about the people being tired of Trump and flipping red states back to blue this year are completely unfounded. Trump will wind up with more total votes than last time even if he loses the popular vote. More people voted on both sides, probably because of the convenience of mail-in, even if that caused chaos. 

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khawk wrote: What's the voter turnout percentage this time out?
Not sure but I did see that they're saying over 3,300,000 voted in Wisconsin..and as of Nov 1st this year they only had 3,684,000 registered voters...does anyone really buy that Wisconsin had a 90% voter turnout? I mean, come on..

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Next year at this time, it will be President Kamala the Ugandan Headhunter Harris.

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Married Jo wrote: khawk wrote: What's the voter turnout percentage this time out?
Not sure but I did see that they're saying over 3,300,000 voted in Wisconsin..and as of Nov 1st this year they only had 3,684,000 registered voters...does anyone really buy that Wisconsin had a 90% voter turnout? I mean, come on..

Some are trying to say more votes have been cast than there are registered voters.  This is a conspiracy theory being promoted in far right areas and is one of the more easily debunked ones. 

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/wisconsin-more-votes-than-voters/?fbclid=IwAR0uFdklZD9nDfbPu5dXwzZhWP16j8tSstYyy2AFb_X-MnAUpI1ObPrCee8

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If it is any consolation to Biden, "the people have spoken" will be more legitimate since it appears he is going to beat Trump in electoral votes and popular votes. Last election, I think that Trump won the electoral votes but lost the popular votes.

Trump lost by 2,8M via popular. The largest margin ever for a President who won the EC.

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srossi wrote: Married Jo wrote: khawk wrote: What's the voter turnout percentage this time out?
Not sure but I did see that they're saying over 3,300,000 voted in Wisconsin..and as of Nov 1st this year they only had 3,684,000 registered voters...does anyone really buy that Wisconsin had a 90% voter turnout? I mean, come on..

Some are trying to say more votes have been cast than there are registered voters.  This is a conspiracy theory being promoted in far right areas and is one of the more easily debunked ones. 

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/wisconsin-more-votes-than-voters/?fbclid=IwAR0uFdklZD9nDfbPu5dXwzZhWP16j8tSstYyy2AFb_X-MnAUpI1ObPrCee8

Yeah, THAT is BS, but what isn't BS is they're really trying to say 90% of all registered voters voted...I'm sorry, I don't buy that at all...

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Married Jo wrote: srossi wrote: Married Jo wrote: khawk wrote: What's the voter turnout percentage this time out?
Not sure but I did see that they're saying over 3,300,000 voted in Wisconsin..and as of Nov 1st this year they only had 3,684,000 registered voters...does anyone really buy that Wisconsin had a 90% voter turnout? I mean, come on..

Some are trying to say more votes have been cast than there are registered voters.  This is a conspiracy theory being promoted in far right areas and is one of the more easily debunked ones. 

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/wisconsin-more-votes-than-voters/?fbclid=IwAR0uFdklZD9nDfbPu5dXwzZhWP16j8tSstYyy2AFb_X-MnAUpI1ObPrCee8

Yeah, THAT is BS, but what isn't BS is they're really trying to say 90% of all registered voters voted...I'm sorry, I don't buy that at all...

I don't know, it muddles the message when they throw so many conspiracy theories out there about more or less the same thing in the hopes that one will stick.  

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Married Jo wrote: srossi wrote: Married Jo wrote: khawk wrote: What's the voter turnout percentage this time out?
Not sure but I did see that they're saying over 3,300,000 voted in Wisconsin..and as of Nov 1st this year they only had 3,684,000 registered voters...does anyone really buy that Wisconsin had a 90% voter turnout? I mean, come on..

Some are trying to say more votes have been cast than there are registered voters.  This is a conspiracy theory being promoted in far right areas and is one of the more easily debunked ones. 

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/wisconsin-more-votes-than-voters/?fbclid=IwAR0uFdklZD9nDfbPu5dXwzZhWP16j8tSstYyy2AFb_X-MnAUpI1ObPrCee8

Yeah, THAT is BS, but what isn't BS is they're really trying to say 90% of all registered voters voted...I'm sorry, I don't buy that at all...

I'm curious what the highest percentage voter turnout would be in history.  I remember reading it was something like 80% many years ago, but generally a 60% turnout is considered super high.  It's usually around 50% for the country.  If they're counting 90% of the ballots in WI, there's something amiss.  Just no fucking way.  

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Shit going down in Wayne County. Things getting "heated" according to Fox News. They won't let people in to view the ballot counting and have covered up the windows. Weird.

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So, far, Trump is calling for a recount in Wisconsin, and taking legal action in Michigan and Pennsylvania.

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There are a bunch of people outside the location of the vote tally, a glassed in office in some sort of lobby, chanting "Stop the count!" and generally making a ruckus. The windows were covered to give the people inside some level of peace. As far as who is being allowed or not allowed to enter, I believe the observer has to be acting in an official capacity on behalf of a political party, not a campaign. The people in the hallway don't fit into that category. It should also be mentioned that Trump is behind in Michigan, so if the count was stopped, he'd certainly lose. If it continues, he still has at least a theoretically chance of carrying the state.

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This point will be lost on Donald Trump and his inner circle, but he's spent the better part of the last four plus years behaving like an unrepentant asshole. Had he made any meaningful effort to moderate his behavior, he'd have likely gained some voters that went against him in this election while the opposition would not have been nearly as motivated towards defeating him. The sitting President has been a target of derision among supporters of the opposition party since the beginning. However, the motivation and action to defeat a sitting President has never before reached this level and, if Trump loses, Biden's win would be by a narrow margin.

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I think so far the Supreme Court has held up well and Gorsuch seems like a great pick for liberty.  Amy Coney Barrett could now be put to the test immediately and we'll have to see if she's like Gorsuch or if she's a shill.  There's no way of telling yet.  But long before it gets to the Supreme Court, I think a lot has to happen at the state levels. 

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It'll be interesting to see if any of the Republican establishment make an effort to get Trump to stand down. Former Wisconsin Governor Scott Walker earlier today tweeted that Trump was so far behind in that state that the likelihood of a recount erasing the deficit was so low that it probably wouldn't matter. He cited some recent recounts of Wisconsin state elections in which the original vote total for the candidate asking for the recount was much closer to that of the winner than Trump is to Biden. Then the change in vote totals after the recount was insignificant and did not alter the result. Walker effectively told the Trump campaign, in public, to not pursue a recount and accept the result in Wisconsin as it was then likely to and ultimately did occur.

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tamalie wrote: It'll be interesting to see if any of the Republican establishment make an effort to get Trump to stand down. Former Wisconsin Governor Scott Walker earlier today tweeted that Trump was so far behind in that state that the likelihood of a recount erasing the deficit was so low that it probably wouldn't matter. He cited some recent recounts of Wisconsin state elections in which the original vote total for the candidate asking for the recount was much closer to that of the winner than Trump is to Biden. Then the change in vote totals after the recount was insignificant and did not alter the result. Walker effectively told the Trump campaign, in public, to not pursue a recount and accept the result in Wisconsin as it was then likely to and ultimately did occur.
Chris Christie used some very strong language (for him) in rebuking Trump’s “victory” speech last night. Christie was in a weird spot because he was on-air, probably making a ton of money, for ABC all night and was having to cover the votes in a serious way, and then Trump made his ridiculous comments basically rendering any legitimate tally moot. He was live and on the spot and had to comment, and was probably more honest than even he expected himself to be. 

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On Fox News one of the talking heads is screaming about how this we now have “dueling presidents” because Trump isn’t going away even though it’s apparent that he’s going to lose. Seriously he said this. The meltdown has surpassed the one I saw on MSNBC 4 years ago. But I’m listening to the tone on Fox News, it’s very telling that it’s over. The liberal networks are being super careful not to proclaim victory prematurely or even sound like victory is closing in, but on Fox some have given up.

The last 24 hours I’ve watched more cable news fan in the last 4 years combined, and I never want to do that again. 

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The Biden campaign is now saying they are confident they will hit 270 without even needing Pennsylvania.

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srossi wrote: The Biden campaign is now saying they are confident they will hit 270 without even needing Pennsylvania.Nevada and Michigan will do it. If Biden holds on to those two Trumps complaints about Pennsylvania will be moot.

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Benlen wrote: srossi wrote: The Biden campaign is now saying they are confident they will hit 270 without even needing Pennsylvania.Nevada and Michigan will do it. If Biden holds on to those two Trumps complaints about Pennsylvania will be moot.
He has complaints about multiple states though and is now upset that he’s not personally being invited to look over the shoulders of everyone counting in every state...or something.  There will likely be individual legal filings for each state that is remotely close.   

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If Trump loses, he will duct tape himself to a chair in the Oval Office refusing to leave. What a fucking crybaby. 

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Living in Michigan this has been a big conspiracy theory on the Facebooks.  The picture was posted on a site called Decision Desk.  They posted it.  It wasn't an official vote count, but now dumbasses are posting it like it was released by election officials.  

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I knew he would throw a hissy fit. How can he declare himself a winner with so many ballots still not counted?  If he wants to talk about blowing a big lead talk to the 49ers.

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Benlen wrote: freebirdsforever2019 wrote: Now the big baby is suing, GA/WISC/MICH. If you lose, lose gracefully.He may lose Pennsylvania. Biden making a big push after trailing big.
I knew he would throw a hissy fit. How can he declare himself a winner with so many ballots still not counted?  If he wants to talk about blowing a big lead talk to the 49ers.

Rudy just said Joe Biden voted 5000 times.

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The Ultimate Sin wrote: Benlen wrote: freebirdsforever2019 wrote: Now the big baby is suing, GA/WISC/MICH. If you lose, lose gracefully.He may lose Pennsylvania. Biden making a big push after trailing big.
I knew he would throw a hissy fit. How can he declare himself a winner with so many ballots still not counted?  If he wants to talk about blowing a big lead talk to the 49ers.

Rudy just said Joe Biden voted 5000 times.

So now that the Trump train has derailed, do most Republicans go back to being normal creeps or do most ride it to the last stop in the hopes of Don Jr. or Ivanka or someone saving it in 2024?  Rudy is in too deep, he's done.  But others hope to have political futures for 20-30 years and if this turns into a one term anomaly instead of the true future of the party, then they're done.  There is virtually no correlation between a Trump supporter and a Republican/conservative, so it's a tough choice to know when to get off. 

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I mean people with actual careers, not keyboard warriors who are going to be making $15.50/hr. no matter who the president is.  Marco Rubio, Rand Paul, Kevin McCarthy, etc.  Turn on Trump and his supporters don't go away, career over.  Stay with Trump and it winds up being a fad with a Romney/Bush type winning again in 2024, career over.  Tough choice.

As far as the boards go, I’ve already won. I know this because I remember 10-15 years ago vividly, and all the things I said about Bush and the neocons back then. And all the flame wars it started. And it took a decade and then all of those Republicans became Trump supporters. And they all magically had the same opinion on Bush as I did. But they never admitted they were wrong. No, they NEVER liked Bush and I was imagining it all. I’d love to compare the OSW posts to the current ones of the people still around, or if their FB posts can be tracked down. They fucking LOVED Bush. When you go from Bush to Trump, you already reveal you have no integrity or convictions. Clearly Biden is a lot closer to Bush than Trump is. Hell, Biden was VP during Bush’s 3rd and 4th terms.    

If any of these people are still alive in another 10 years, they’ll all swear they never bought into Trump. I know this for a fact. 

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I mean people with actual careers, not keyboard warriors who are going to be making $15.50/hr. no matter who the president is.  Marco Rubio, Rand Paul, Kevin McCarthy, etc.  Turn on Trump and his supporters don't go away, career over.  Stay with Trump and it winds up being a fad with a Romney/Bush type winning again in 2024, career over.  Tough choice.

As far as the boards go, I’ve already won. I know this because I remember 10-15 years ago vividly, and all the things I said about Bush and the neocons back then. And all the flame wars it started. And it took a decade and then all of those Republicans became Trump supporters. And they all magically had the same opinion on Bush as I did. But they never admitted they were wrong. No, they NEVER liked Bush and I was imagining it all. I’d love to compare the OSW posts to the current ones of the people still around, or if their FB posts can be tracked down. They fucking LOVED Bush. When you go from Bush to Trump, you already reveal you have no integrity or convictions. Clearly Biden is a lot closer to Bush than Trump is. Hell, Biden was VP during Bush’s 3rd and 4th terms.    

If any of these people are still alive in another 10 years, they’ll all swear they never bought into Trump. I know this for a fact. 
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I knew he would throw a hissy fit. How can he declare himself a winner with so many ballots still not counted?  If he wants to talk about blowing a big lead talk to the 49ers.

I don't see him losing PA.

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I heard there were a bunch of Ballots found in 2 different SUV's

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CNN just updated them, but barely. Biden extended his lead to 12,000 with 87% of the vote in. More vote updates expected to trickle in within the next couple of hours. 

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I heard there were a bunch of Ballots found in 2 different SUV's
It's one of the smaller counties

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I am really surprised at how fairly evenly split the popular vote is. As it stands right now, Biden has 72 million vs Trump's 69 million. That is nearly a 50/50 split.

It seems that Americans are more divided than ever. What will it take for Americans to be more united?

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Big Garea Fan wrote: I am really surprised at how fairly evenly split the popular vote is. As it stands right now, Biden has 72 million vs Trump's 69 million. That is nearly a 50/50 split.

It seems that Americans are more divided than ever. What will it take for Americans to be more united?

People need to get out of their own echo chambers, which isn't going to happen.  As long as you only see the news and social media posts you already agree with and that's insanely slanted, there's no hope to ever even begin to understand the other side.  You have Democrats literally thinking that Trump is personally responsible for hundreds of thousands of Covid deaths even though we see that the U.S. results really weren't very different from anywhere else in the world with all sorts of different approaches and leadership philosophies.  And you have Republicans literally thinking that Biden of all people, who got the nomination mainly because of how moderate and benign he was compared to the others, is a card-carrying Castro-supporting socialist.  These two statements are absurd, and they were a huge part of the election rhetoric.

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broke wrote: Principal_Raditch wrote: broke wrote: Kosanko County PA has a day off with a bunch of ballots outstanding. Same time next week everyone!
I heard there were a bunch of Ballots found in 2 different SUV's
It's one of the smaller counties


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Heenan Fan wrote: I can't believe that the incompetent moron Joe Biden won! I'm ashamed to be an American today!!
Where do you see this at?

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freebirdsforever2019 wrote: Heenan Fan wrote: I can't believe that the incompetent moron Joe Biden won! I'm ashamed to be an American today!!
Where do you see this at?
It's not official, but it's pretty obvious at this point.

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Nevada's probably in the bag for Biden, Georgia's far too close to call. Ditto PA - though the mail in totals are going heavy for Biden. That leaves Arizona and the ghost of John McCain hovering over things. Quite Karmaic if it comes down to Trump losing on Arizona of all states.

Having said that, this shit still going on?

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Benlen wrote: broke wrote: Short answer: Nothing. America is fucked. Too many heads up asses on both sides of the aisle.^^ ThisNot sure how its any different than it was 25 or even 50 years ago.  Nobodys life is over.  If anything, people make more money and live longer regardless of what the tv and internet tells everyone.  Nobodys taking away your abortions and gays.

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srossi wrote: Big Garea Fan wrote: I am really surprised at how fairly evenly split the popular vote is. As it stands right now, Biden has 72 million vs Trump's 69 million. That is nearly a 50/50 split.

It seems that Americans are more divided than ever. What will it take for Americans to be more united?

People need to get out of their own echo chambers, which isn't going to happen.  As long as you only see the news and social media posts you already agree with and that's insanely slanted, there's no hope to ever even begin to understand the other side.  You have Democrats literally thinking that Trump is personally responsible for hundreds of thousands of Covid deaths even though we see that the U.S. results really weren't very different from anywhere else in the world with all sorts of different approaches and leadership philosophies.  And you have Republicans literally thinking that Biden of all people, who got the nomination mainly because of how moderate and benign he was compared to the others, is a card-carrying Castro-supporting socialist.  These two statements are absurd, and they were a huge part of the election rhetoric.


We know Biden's harmless. He'll step aside (or be forced out) within a year. It's the DNC puppet masters who are dangerous.

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Maybe the best point I’ve heard so far against a conspiracy: If Democrats are manipulating votes, why did they lose 5 House seats, not regain the Senate, and not flip a single state legislature? They only fake-voted for President on the ballots?

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It’s happening in the senate as well Perdue in Georgia had a commanding lead and has watched it slip away just like Trump. John James was up big in Michigan and just like with Trump it slipped away. It could be legit but to say the R’s are doing good underneath isn’t exactly true anymore.


I’m really curious to see what the end result will be to this. Philly ignoring this mornings court order, Philly also had a pole worker turn whistle blower this morning. Georgia was supposedly going door to door today to have ballots corrected. Veritas has dropped a few videos, more than a few people have fooled around with the online vote verification system to find dead people that voted and on and on.

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srossi wrote: Maybe the best point I’ve heard so far against a conspiracy: If Democrats are manipulating votes, why did they lose 5 House seats, not regain the Senate, and not flip a single state legislature? They only fake-voted for President on the ballots?You’re trying to promote logic and stuff, that has no place within the bounds of conspiracy YouTubz and the rest of it. 

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Rick Santorum blasts Trump, then has gay sex with Van Jones. I always knew that dude protested too much.

https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-news/trump-biden-election-results-11-05-20/h_b4d9bcf7ce3b065523d770f85edb1b7e

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Franchise wrote: It’s happening in the senate as well Perdue in Georgia had a commanding lead and has watched it slip away just like Trump. John James was up big in Michigan and just like with Trump it slipped away. It could be legit but to say the R’s are doing good underneath isn’t exactly true anymore.


I’m really curious to see what the end result will be to this. Philly ignoring this mornings court order, Philly also had a pole worker turn whistle blower this morning. Georgia was supposedly going door to door today to have ballots corrected. Veritas has dropped a few videos, more than a few people have fooled around with the online vote verification system to find dead people that voted and on and on.

James was up before the Democratic areas and mail ins were counted.  He loses every election, and is pretty much a fucking joke in Michigan.  No one thought he had chance.

His opponent didn't even campaign until a week before the election.  The only commercials Peters ran were fact checks of James's bullshit.

James: Vote for me I'm an Army Ranger
Fact Check: No, you weren't.

James: Vote for me I'm Army Ranger trained.
FC: No, you never did the training.

James: Vote for me I'm an Army Ranger....(invitee than never completed the training)



James: Don't vote for Peters he is an absentee Senator.
FC:  Peters voted in 99.8% of votes-higher than any other senator.



James: Don't vote for Peters he hasn't passed any legislation.
FC:  Peters introduced more legislation than any senator & participated in more bipartisan bills than any other senator.


James:  Don't vote for Peters he has tax payer funded health insurance.
FC: So will you if you ever win an election.


James: I will repeal Obamacare & give insurance companies the option whether or not to cover preexisting conditions.
FC: So people with preexisting conditions won't have coverage?

James:  That's not what I said!  I mean... um...

James:  Don't vote for Peters.  He has experience, and has been in Congress for & we know all the incumbents are bad.

That was James whole campaign, just make up some shit and hope no one check to see if its true.

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I probably saw that absent senator ad twice a day for a last few weeks every time I tried to watch something on the dreaded YouTube. 

My point with my original comment was that Trump and James both ended up with 2.6 v Biden at Peters at 2.7 so it seemed like they were slipping at the same rate as opposed to Trump down and GOP up or Trump down and blank. If the ballots were faked they were completed along party lines. 

As a follow up to my above post I have now seen that one of those dead voters was likely his son with the same name filling out the wrong ballot thinking it was his.

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So, are the right getting worried? They apparently want to attack Philly.

https://6abc.com/philly-police-investigating-alleged-plot-to-attack-pa-convention-center/7689932/

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https://6abc.com/philly-police-investigating-alleged-plot-to-attack-pa-convention-center/7689932/

But..... The right never riots or attacks anyone!

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Philly is about to come out with an updated tally, which could flip PA to Biden. That should happen within the next few minutes.

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We are now at the "Hitler in the bunker" point where GOP insiders are talking about who will draw the short straw to tell Trump that he really lost. Some are saying it should be Jared Kushner, but no one wants to do it.  There doesn't seem to be much real-life belief that there's voter fraud, but as of now they're still telling Trump what he wants to hear even though they know it's not true.  Really incredible that this is how the president has to be handled.

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Biden just took the lead in PA by 5,000. Of the latest batch of mail-in votes, Biden got 27,396 and Trump got 3,760., an 87% margin for Biden.  I think this is the minute where it's officially over.

With Biden winning just about all of these states, it's impossible to credibly dispute each one.  Trump had barely a legal snowball's chance in hell if he needed to only overturn one state, but he can't overturn multiple states. 

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So I put on Fox News and at this very moment they're actually calling it fairly straight and also saying it's over, through tears.

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So after all this is over America will finally unite and give her citizens stability after 4 years of what we just loved through, right?

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The problem with hating both sides is that no matter who wins, I lose. But the good part is, no matter who loses, I get to taste the tears. The stories of Hillary getting hysterical in her room 4 years ago still gives me a boner.  And now Trump's and his supporters' tears are so, so salty. Mmmmmmmm....  It's fun when bad things happen to bad people, even if other bad people are the beneficiaries. 

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broke wrote: Georgia flipped blue this AM. Wow.
The Negro vote is coming in droves.

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srossi wrote: The problem with hating both sides is that no matter who wins, I lose. But the good part is, no matter who loses, I get to taste the tears. The stories of Hillary getting hysterical in her room 4 years ago still gives me a boner.  And now Trump's and his supporters' tears are so, so salty. Mmmmmmmm....  It's fun when bad things happen to bad people, even if other bad people are the beneficiaries. 

I'm not sure on how to post videos on here from Twitter, but there is one showing some MAGA praying on the concrete at some vote counting station. Some of these people are nuts!

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I was telling my son last night that this has become, much due to the integrity of the main stream media, akin to rooting for your favorite sports team in a big game (or maybe rooting against a hated rival).  Maybe the refs blew it, maybe the coach made a bad decision.  Bottom line, tomorrow we wake up and life goes on.  None of it really affects us tangibly.  

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I was telling my son last night that this has become, much due to the integrity of the main stream media, akin to rooting for your favorite sports team in a big game (or maybe rooting against a hated rival).  Maybe the refs blew it, maybe the coach made a bad decision.  Bottom line, tomorrow we wake up and life goes on.  None of it really affects us tangibly.  


It's actually akin to instant replay showing in no uncertain terms that the call was correct, but the drunken hillbilly fan still screaming at the TV and hitting his wife anyway.

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So the oldest president ever on the day he was sworn in was Trump at 70. Biden will be 88. He just moved the bar 18 years. He’ll be 92 if he survives his first term and 96 at the end of a 2nd. The oldest-surviving presidents ever (after their terms were over of course) are Carter (96 and counting), Bush Sr. (94), Ford (93), and Reagan (93).

So with almost certainty that Biden will be a one-term president, if he even lasts that long, it will really be interesting to see the strategies on both sides here. I assume the Dems will be grooming Kamala from day one to take over, and she seems like a good bet to be back-doored in as the first female president.

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srossi wrote: So the oldest president ever on the day he was sworn in was Trump at 70. Biden will be 88. He just moved the bar 18 years. He’ll be 92 if he survives his first term and 96 at the end of a 2nd. The oldest-surviving presidents ever (after their terms were over of course) are Carter (96 and counting), Bush Sr. (94), Ford (93), and Reagan (93).

So with almost certainty that Biden will be a one-term president, if he even lasts that long, it will really be interesting to see the strategies on both sides here. I assume the Dems will be grooming Kamala from day one to take over, and she seems like a good bet to be back-doored in as the first female president.


Biden's 78th birthday is exactly two weeks from today. I know that stress can age a man, but I think your maths is a little off.

He is still old as fuck, though.

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Kriss wrote: srossi wrote: So the oldest president ever on the day he was sworn in was Trump at 70. Biden will be 88. He just moved the bar 18 years. He’ll be 92 if he survives his first term and 96 at the end of a 2nd. The oldest-surviving presidents ever (after their terms were over of course) are Carter (96 and counting), Bush Sr. (94), Ford (93), and Reagan (93).

So with almost certainty that Biden will be a one-term president, if he even lasts that long, it will really be interesting to see the strategies on both sides here. I assume the Dems will be grooming Kamala from day one to take over, and she seems like a good bet to be back-doored in as the first female president.


Biden's 78th birthday is exactly two weeks from today. I know that stress can age a man, but I think your maths is a little off.

He is still old as fuck, though.

I have no idea why I added 10 years, for some reason I was thinking 88 all day.  Yeah, he's oldest by 8, not 18. 

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Fox News has apparently giving Biden another state. They have Biden leading 264-214. CNN has it 253-213.

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Rick Santorum: "We're looking at those numbers, and as those numbers go up, the air will come out of the case for fraud. Look at Michigan, we're talking 150,000 votes and counting for Biden, so it's hard to say fraud at that point."

Rick Santorum: "If Philadelphia is cheating then they did a bad job of it because he got a higher percentage of the votes than he did 4 years ago."

I wonder if Santorum is still going to be on the Christmas card list after this week.

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srossi wrote: Fox News has apparently giving Biden another state. They have Biden leading 264-214. CNN has it 253-213.Yahoo has had it at 264-214 for at least the past 18 hours as well.  I have no clue where they pull their info for.  But I think the difference of 11 is Arizona, as some people have called it for Biden while others haven't called it.  And supposedly, Biden is now winning PA and GA.  I have to say, this has been one helluva week.  Never remember an election like this, and I remember the shit that went on between Bush and Gore.

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The latest from Maricopa County in Arizona is in and Biden got a slight lead in the latest batch, but not a lot. The issue is even in the red districts, Biden wins the mail-in across the board, by a lot or a little, but Dems voted by mail and Republicans in person, period. I don't know if it would've mattered, but maybe Trump shouldn't have attacked the mail so much. There might be some Republicans who decided not to vote by mail because of the rhetoric, then something happened and they didn't make it to the polls either.

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Biden's number in GA came down a bit. Now he's only up by 1,500 votes. Good grief. Amazing that it can be that down the middle.

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Things went from bad to worse for Trump as there is no way that Trump will even be able to challenge this legally. It's becoming too many votes in too many states. No reasonable person can think this is fraud, but fortunately not many Trump supporters are reasonable so he'll still have millions clinging on his every rant.

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Predictably, Trump is live-tweeting Fox News right now.

It's all over, but he doesn't have the grapefruits to concede.

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Republican Senator Roy Blunt from Missouri has called out Trump for wanting the vote to continue in states he was doing well in and stopped in states where it went against him.

Lindsey Graham is asking Trump to provide specific evidence of voter fraud within 48 hours or stop claiming it.

I wonder if people will jump off the Titanic now en masse?

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srossi wrote: Lindsey Graham is asking Trump to provide specific evidence of voter fraud within 48 hours or stop claiming it.

He's probably trying to back out of the half a million dollars he promised to put towards legal fees yesterday.

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srossi wrote: Republican Senator Roy Blunt from Missouri has called out Trump for wanting the vote to continue in states he was doing well in and stopped in states where it went against him.

Lindsey Graham is asking Trump to provide specific evidence of voter fraud within 48 hours or stop claiming it.

I wonder if people will jump off the Titanic now en masse?



I read this morning that a criminal referral was filed with the DOJ pertaining to a claimed 3k+ invalid votes in NV which I believe is the first of the fraud type legal challenges to file criminally. I think if this one is quickly pushed aside it’s all over. 

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Received mail in ballots from people who completed USPS change of address forms was one of the claims. 

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Franchise wrote: tamalie wrote: Regarding the claim by Trump and his campaign that 3,000 votes were ineligibly cast in Nevada, have they or any independent source provided an explanation about why they think these ineligible votes were cast and how they came into possession of this information? Is this actual evidence or merely hearsay or some sort of misunderstanding? In a court, even with a possibly friendly judge, there has to be actual evidence. The legal proceedings in Michigan getting booted so rapidly yesterday was because when asked by the judge to present evidence, what the Trump campaign's attorneys then provided amounted to nothing but unsubstantiated claims that didn't qualify as evidence in a court of law.

Received mail in ballots from people who completed USPS change of address forms was one of the claims. 


I am willing to accept that such a thing occurred. But 3,000 plus times or lower than that but still enough times in combination with other allegedly fraudulently cast votes to equal 3,000 plus? That I don't buy. 

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PA Senator Pat Toomey, who is very Republican to say the least, has said he sees no evidence of any fraud in his state, praised all of the poll workers who are working so hard, and said watching Trump's speeches to the contrary are "hard to watch".

Meanwhile, reports are coming in from his own inner circle that Trump is on a rampage behind the scenes, not even about the fraud anymore, but about "disloyalty" and "abandonment" of Republicans who are not coming to his defense as he'd like them to do. He's supposedly impossible to even speak to right now and is hysterical.  I honestly see his point.  With all the roads they went down with him over the past 4 years, it's hard to believe that voter fraud was the line that they drew.  But it is.  Republicans who want a career beyond 2020 simply will not go with him on this ride. 

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I probably saw that absent senator ad twice a day for a last few weeks every time I tried to watch something on the dreaded YouTube. 

My point with my original comment was that Trump and James both ended up with 2.6 v Biden at Peters at 2.7 so it seemed like they were slipping at the same rate as opposed to Trump down and GOP up or Trump down and blank. If the ballots were faked they were completed along party lines. 

As a follow up to my above post I have now seen that one of those dead voters was likely his son with the same name filling out the wrong ballot thinking it was his.

I think Michigan voters went party line more than ever.  There was a backlash against Trump for fucking us on the COVID response because Whitmer "didn't talk nice about him."  When conservative politicians from Michigan backed him it turned some people to vote straight blue.  
The flip side was people who were pissed about Whitmer locking down the state and going straight Republican.
Peters has done a lot for Michigan both environmentally and for small businesses, so if people could ignore party line (and I know that's silly to say, but if...) he's a good candidate.  James was a Trump/DeVos puppet who never took a stance on anything other than "backing Trump 300%."  He never could explain a policy, he just parroted Trumps policies.  The fact that he had to keep pulling his own ads because they were out and out lies made him look like an ass to anyone who wasn't voting straight Red.

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tamalie wrote: Franchise wrote: tamalie wrote: Regarding the claim by Trump and his campaign that 3,000 votes were ineligibly cast in Nevada, have they or any independent source provided an explanation about why they think these ineligible votes were cast and how they came into possession of this information? Is this actual evidence or merely hearsay or some sort of misunderstanding? In a court, even with a possibly friendly judge, there has to be actual evidence. The legal proceedings in Michigan getting booted so rapidly yesterday was because when asked by the judge to present evidence, what the Trump campaign's attorneys then provided amounted to nothing but unsubstantiated claims that didn't qualify as evidence in a court of law.

Received mail in ballots from people who completed USPS change of address forms was one of the claims. 


I am willing to accept that such a thing occurred. But 3,000 plus times or lower than that but still enough times in combination with other allegedly fraudulently cast votes to equal 3,000 plus? That I don't buy. 

I've been flipping between 4 stations, so I can't remember who said it, but they are saying it's military who voted in their home state, but live elsewhere.  As I understand it, that's the standard operating procedure.  Your "base address" is not your home address and you vote absentee from your home state.  

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Hunter's laptop? It reminds me of the Office when Michael promised a big surprise and bought ice cream bars.

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The October Surprise was him losing this election.  Trump sure is surprised.

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Hunter's laptop? It reminds me of the Office when Michael promised a big surprise and bought ice cream bars.
...or in 2000, when WCW promised a "big surprise that will change the industry" at their PPV. Ended up being Goldberg doing a short-lived heel turn.

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Calling it right down the middle since I hate both, Fox News are being much better losers than CNN are being winners right now. And the fact that news networks are taking sides is still ridiculous.

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If you were in another country and heard all of this you'd be laughing. And rightfully so.

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If you are from another country you'd be living in here in America.

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Spatulapup wrote: America is the greatest when it has good leadership. Trump was not it. He didn't even care if people became sick with the virus. Think about that. How can you support someone who does not care about anyone's health. This is a great day.

Nobody likes Trump but he's still better than that senile old fart Biden and his Ugandan Giant.

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So with almost certainty that Biden will be a one-term president, if he even lasts that long, it will really be interesting to see the strategies on both sides here. I assume the Dems will be grooming Kamala from day one to take over, and she seems like a good bet to be back-doored in as the first female president.

WTF are you talking about? Biden is 77 now ( 78 November 20th).

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CNN Van Jones crying.



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CNN Van Jones crying.



He's crying because Don Lemon's dick smells/tastes like onions.

Of course that's according to Wolf Blitzer, so who knows if it's true?



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I just figured Beejs credit card got rejected again

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Wrong.

Period.

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I’m curious to see how all of this is going to shake out.


We got some recounts on the horizon, justice Alito stating that ballots received after a certain time in PA need to be segregated (should have been all along), Michigan and Pennsylvania have what appears to be a steady stream of whistleblowers, the dominion software error in one Michigan county that flipped 6k votes to biden, PV just did a piece in Bucks county confronting the board of elections with spoiled ballots found in a dumpster etc etc etc.


It’s too much to be ignored

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khawk wrote: Heenan Fan wrote:Nobody likes Trump but he's still better than that senile old fart Biden and his Ugandan Giant.
Wrong.

Period.
You're on your period?

I guess we'll just agree to disagree. Biden is a clueless joke in my opinion, but I don't mean no disrespect to you when I say that.

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We got some recounts on the horizon, justice Alito stating that ballots received after a certain time in PA need to be segregated (should have been all along), Michigan and Pennsylvania have what appears to be a steady stream of whistleblowers, the dominion software error in one Michigan county that flipped 6k votes to biden, PV just did a piece in Bucks county confronting the board of elections with spoiled ballots found in a dumpster etc etc etc.


It’s too much to be ignored

All kinds of reports coming out of Gwinnett County, GA about people showing up to vote in person and told they had already voted.  Gwinnett showing they had several hundred thousand votes more than registered voters.

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If it isn’t true it shouldn’t take long to disprove them. 

The recounts are happening regardless 

And Justice Alito made the statement about the ballot segregation 




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Agreed 100%. Fox's Bret Baier tonight said something to the effect, "if you were on the losing side last time, remember how it felt."
Win with class, don't be an ass.
Lot of people around me being asses.  Dancing in the streets.  Dude a block over put up a big screen in his front yard to show the speech tonight. 

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Agreed 100%. Fox's Bret Baier tonight said something to the effect, "if you were on the losing side last time, remember how it felt."
Win with class, don't be an ass.
Lot of people around me being asses.  Dancing in the streets.  Dude a block over put up a big screen in his front yard to show the speech tonight. 


Bret Baier seems like a good dude, about the only msm person I watch. 

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Agreed 100%. Fox's Bret Baier tonight said something to the effect, "if you were on the losing side last time, remember how it felt."
Win with class, don't be an ass.
Lot of people around me being asses.  Dancing in the streets.  Dude a block over put up a big screen in his front yard to show the speech tonight. 


Bret Baier seems like a good dude, about the only msm person I watch. 

I don’t watch any of that crap usually, but his election coverage was solid. CNN started off fine but once Trump threw his temper tantrum they couldn’t hold it in anymore and decided to go down to the gutter with him, and that became insufferable. I know it’s tough to try to be serious journalists with a man-child president, but they had to try to be better than that. 

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If Joe is sleepy then Don is going into forced hibernation. 

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Agreed 100%. Fox's Bret Baier tonight said something to the effect, "if you were on the losing side last time, remember how it felt."
Win with class, don't be an ass.
Lot of people around me being asses.  Dancing in the streets.  Dude a block over put up a big screen in his front yard to show the speech tonight. 


Bret Baier seems like a good dude, about the only msm person I watch. 

Yeah, he's solid.  If you have a scale of 0 to 10 on the right with Tucker and Mark Levin as a 10 and with zero being right down the middle, Bret's definitely a 3 or 4 along with Britt Hume. 

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We got some recounts on the horizon, justice Alito stating that ballots received after a certain time in PA need to be segregated (should have been all along), Michigan and Pennsylvania have what appears to be a steady stream of whistleblowers, the dominion software error in one Michigan county that flipped 6k votes to biden, PV just did a piece in Bucks county confronting the board of elections with spoiled ballots found in a dumpster etc etc etc.


It’s too much to be ignored
Where did you hear 6000 votes?  Antrim County is nearby & 2000 votes was the number reported this morning.  2200 is the largest precinct in the county.  Maybe it happened at multiple locations.

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Antrim county was what I read and it said that it went from a loss to a win for Trump and that after the 6,000 vote correction it put him up by 2,300.

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Franchise wrote: Antrim county was what I read and it said that it went from a loss to a win for Trump and that after the 6,000 vote correction it put him up by 2,300.Does that matter anymore? Trump lost Michigan by 140,000 votes.

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I was watching an international TV news station and didn't know Great Britain, France, and Germany hated Trump so much.

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He'll go full blown nutso if by some wild chance Trump gets declared the winner.

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Benlen wrote: Franchise wrote: Antrim county was what I read and it said that it went from a loss to a win for Trump and that after the 6,000 vote correction it put him up by 2,300.Does that matter anymore? Trump lost Michigan by 140,000 votes.

It does, the same software was used in I believe 30 states across the US and in 47 counties across Michigan. It may not get Trump a win but if it glitched down ticket as well you could have a lot of mixed up victories. 

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Franchise wrote: Benlen wrote: Franchise wrote: Antrim county was what I read and it said that it went from a loss to a win for Trump and that after the 6,000 vote correction it put him up by 2,300.Does that matter anymore? Trump lost Michigan by 140,000 votes.

It does, the same software was used in I believe 30 states across the US and in 47 counties across Michigan. It may not get Trump a win but if it glitched down ticket as well you could have a lot of mixed up victories. 
Wouldn't you think other states and  counties would be reporting the glitch too by now?
Just wondering..are you hoping for a ton of glitches?

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Benlen wrote: Franchise wrote: Benlen wrote: Franchise wrote: Antrim county was what I read and it said that it went from a loss to a win for Trump and that after the 6,000 vote correction it put him up by 2,300.Does that matter anymore? Trump lost Michigan by 140,000 votes.

It does, the same software was used in I believe 30 states across the US and in 47 counties across Michigan. It may not get Trump a win but if it glitched down ticket as well you could have a lot of mixed up victories. 
Wouldn't you think other states and  counties would be reporting the glitch too by now?
Just wondering..are you hoping for a ton of glitches?


Not really, at this point I’d like to see a fair amount of these situations investigated so reasonable people can feel like it just wasn’t ignored. There is no possible way to make everyone happy but to do nothing after 4 years of fake Russia would seem absurd. 

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2000 vote correction (or 3000 whichever) if all the votes went to Biden and were switched to Trump then it would be a 4000 vote change, so 6000 is possible if it happened at more than one polling place.
I was originally thinking you meant 6000 votes were incorrect.

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2000 vote correction (or 3000 whichever) if all the votes went to Biden and were switched to Trump then it would be a 4000 vote change, so 6000 is possible if it happened at more than one polling place.
I was originally thinking you meant 6000 votes were incorrect.

I’ve seen it reported that it was 6,000 in only Antrim but who knows, I also saw a correction in Oakland county that flipped a county seat from D to R. 

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And the process worked apparently without regard to politics. A Republican city clerk supervised a vote count that wrongly gave victory to a Democrat, after which a Democratic county clerk's staff caught the error and requested a correction from the Republican city clerk, handing the win to a Republican.

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And the process worked apparently without regard to politics. A Republican city clerk supervised a vote count that wrongly gave victory to a Democrat, after which a Democratic county clerk's staff caught the error and requested a correction from the Republican city clerk, handing the win to a Republican.

Can you even begin to imagine how this would’ve been reported if it had been a mistake the other way?

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srossi wrote: The Ultimate Sin wrote: Franchise wrote: I also saw a correction in Oakland county that flipped a county seat from D to R.  That was crazy in how it worked out. It was the opposite of fraud.  The Republican election official was supposed to send just the absentee totals, but mistakenly sent all the votes.  Her mistake gave the win to the Democrat.  A Democrat overseer found the error and gave the win back to the Republican. 


From the Detroit Free Press Article:

And the process worked apparently without regard to politics. A Republican city clerk supervised a vote count that wrongly gave victory to a Democrat, after which a Democratic county clerk's staff caught the error and requested a correction from the Republican city clerk, handing the win to a Republican.

Can you even begin to imagine how this would’ve been reported if it had been a mistake the other way?
The Conspiracy videos would have been through the roof for that one.

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I don't see any scenario occurring that overturns the decision. There will be recounts, but the number of votes that necessary to switch the winner in multiple states is infeasibly high. 

There will always be instances of voter fraud on small and scattered scale (college kids voting at the polls in Wisconsin and absentee from their home address in Illinois, a dude going around town in a state that allows registration at the polls to vote multiple times, someone filling in an absentee ballot for Grandma who just kicked it from Covid-19, and so on). However, there is no evidence of any sort of widespread voter fraud that would turn an election and would require a wider conspiracy involving many people and groups.

With that said,

A.) When will Trump concede?

B.) Will he do so with any grace or will it be along the lines of "I still won, but they stole it from me, so Peace, Out!"

C.) Will there be widespread accusations of his staff not cooperating with the incoming administration? Stuff along the lines of destroying or misfiling documents, not answering questions or providing information in a timely manner, leaving the West Wing a total pigsty, and so on.

D.) Will Donald Trump attend Joe Biden's inauguration, as is customary for the departing President, or will he skip it as a means of personal protest even if it is claimed as something along the lines of him being ill or "not wanting to overshadow Biden" or some other excuse?

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I can't see Trump attending Biden's inauguration. He's more likely to conduct another Four Seasons Press Conference simultaneously than to be there for any sort of time-honoured traditional power transfer.

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The Ultimate Sin wrote: Franchise wrote: I also saw a correction in Oakland county that flipped a county seat from D to R.  That was crazy in how it worked out. It was the opposite of fraud.  The Republican election official was supposed to send just the absentee totals, but mistakenly sent all the votes.  Her mistake gave the win to the Democrat.  A Democrat overseer found the error and gave the win back to the Republican. 


From the Detroit Free Press Article:

And the process worked apparently without regard to politics. A Republican city clerk supervised a vote count that wrongly gave victory to a Democrat, after which a Democratic county clerk's staff caught the error and requested a correction from the Republican city clerk, handing the win to a Republican.


In the Detroit news article I read it didn’t specify anyones political party on the counting side just that a correction had been made thru a check and balance. 

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tamalie wrote: I don't see any scenario occurring that overturns the decision. There will be recounts, but the number of votes that necessary to switch the winner in multiple states is infeasibly high. 

There will always be instances of voter fraud on small and scattered scale (college kids voting at the polls in Wisconsin and absentee from their home address in Illinois, a dude going around town in a state that allows registration at the polls to vote multiple times, someone filling in an absentee ballot for Grandma who just kicked it from Covid-19, and so on). However, there is no evidence of any sort of widespread voter fraud that would turn an election and would require a wider conspiracy involving many people and groups.

With that said,

A.) When will Trump concede?

B.) Will he do so with any grace or will it be along the lines of "I still won, but they stole it from me, so Peace, Out!"

C.) Will there be widespread accusations of his staff not cooperating with the incoming administration? Stuff along the lines of destroying or misfiling documents, not answering questions or providing information in a timely manner, leaving the West Wing a total pigsty, and so on.

D.) Will Donald Trump attend Joe Biden's inauguration, as is customary for the departing President, or will he skip it as a means of personal protest even if it is claimed as something along the lines of him being ill or "not wanting to overshadow Biden" or some other excuse?
 Trump will do B and probably still call himself the "real" President. His staff may or may not cooperate, but I don't see them destroying documents. But no matter what happens, for the next 18 months or so anything that doesn't happen or go their way, the Dems will blame Trump for.

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As far as recounts go, if you're confident that there was little to no voter fraud, let Trump have all his recounts with no objection. When it shows that Biden won then there is no lingering doubt or conspiracy theories left.

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Trump has no class. I don't picture him showing up to the inauguration and passing the torch to Biden. He does not have it in him to do it. And if he did go he would do something to upstage the whole thing.

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Spatulapup wrote: Trump has no class. I don't picture him showing up to the inauguration and passing the torch to Biden. He does not have it in him to do it. And if he did go he would do something to upstage the whole thing.

So basically, Trump is Shawn Michaels?

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khawk wrote: srossi wrote: The Ultimate Sin wrote: Franchise wrote: I also saw a correction in Oakland county that flipped a county seat from D to R.  That was crazy in how it worked out. It was the opposite of fraud.  The Republican election official was supposed to send just the absentee totals, but mistakenly sent all the votes.  Her mistake gave the win to the Democrat.  A Democrat overseer found the error and gave the win back to the Republican. 


From the Detroit Free Press Article:

And the process worked apparently without regard to politics. A Republican city clerk supervised a vote count that wrongly gave victory to a Democrat, after which a Democratic county clerk's staff caught the error and requested a correction from the Republican city clerk, handing the win to a Republican.

Can you even begin to imagine how this would’ve been reported if it had been a mistake the other way?
The Conspiracy videos would have been through the roof for that one.

It has been twisted most of the time when reported.  It usually says, "Election officials forced to give seat back to Republican Incumbent."  It's usually tossed in as proof that Trump's claim that Michigan's election was rigged is true.  The guy who actually won, was totally cool about it, at least publicly, and praised the clerk who made the error, and thanked them for fixing it.

It happened in a Republican stronghold, so they were pretty sure it was a mistake right off the bat.

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khawk wrote: I can't see Trump attending Biden's inauguration. He's more likely to conduct another Four Seasons Press Conference simultaneously than to be there for any sort of time-honoured traditional power transfer.

The Four Seasons Hotel or the lawn service net to the porn shop?

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Kriss wrote: Spatulapup wrote: Trump has no class. I don't picture him showing up to the inauguration and passing the torch to Biden. He does not have it in him to do it. And if he did go he would do something to upstage the whole thing.

So basically, Trump is Shawn Michaels?

Real footage of Trump at the inauguration.

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The Ultimate Sin wrote: khawk wrote: I can't see Trump attending Biden's inauguration. He's more likely to conduct another Four Seasons Press Conference simultaneously than to be there for any sort of time-honoured traditional power transfer.

The Four Seasons Hotel or the lawn service net to the porn shop?
This one. Again. :)

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Here’s a random swerve for no reason at all: George W. Bush has congratulated Biden on his victory but Mexico’s President refuses to do so until the legal proceedings are over. Is Vince Russo writing 2020?

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Blazer wrote: Putin also holding back congrats.
Well there's a shocker.  He's waiting to see if his agents can affect the recount I'm sure.

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According to Business Insider, Trump is telling his inner circle he's running again in 2024 and could make a public announcement as early as next month. It also seems obvious that he will continue holding rallies regularly like that's his new job. This could be a 4 year campaign.  Republicans are in terror because of the distraction he's promising to cause, making it impossible for them to get back to "politics as usual" to prepare in the normal way for the mid-terms and then the next presidential primary.  It's going to be a mess.  He won't go away until he dies.

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srossi wrote: Kriss wrote: Spatulapup wrote: Trump has no class. I don't picture him showing up to the inauguration and passing the torch to Biden. He does not have it in him to do it. And if he did go he would do something to upstage the whole thing.

So basically, Trump is Shawn Michaels?

Real footage of Trump at the inauguration.
I know it was petty, but watching Shawn Michaels bump like he was having a seizure that whole match was funny as hell.

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Superstar wrote: srossi wrote: Kriss wrote: Spatulapup wrote: Trump has no class. I don't picture him showing up to the inauguration and passing the torch to Biden. He does not have it in him to do it. And if he did go he would do something to upstage the whole thing.

So basically, Trump is Shawn Michaels?

Real footage of Trump at the inauguration.
I know it was petty, but watching Shawn Michaels bump like he was having a seizure that whole match was funny as hell.
Petty? Hell, that's literally (seriously) my favorite wrestling match of all time..NOTHING in wrestling has ever entertained me as much as that match lol

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Married Jo wrote: Superstar wrote: srossi wrote: Kriss wrote: Spatulapup wrote: Trump has no class. I don't picture him showing up to the inauguration and passing the torch to Biden. He does not have it in him to do it. And if he did go he would do something to upstage the whole thing.

So basically, Trump is Shawn Michaels?

Real footage of Trump at the inauguration.
I know it was petty, but watching Shawn Michaels bump like he was having a seizure that whole match was funny as hell.
Petty? Hell, that's literally (seriously) my favorite wrestling match of all time..NOTHING in wrestling has ever entertained me as much as that match lol

This was basically the last time that Shawn Michaels was Shawn Michaels.  He's a weird little cross-eyed hunter/Christian nutjob now, but on this night he was full-on 1996 super-asshole Shawn one more time, and it was glorious.  He used his super asshole powers for good instead of evil for his last time since it was Hogan that he did it to, and no one deserved it more.

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srossi wrote: Married Jo wrote: Superstar wrote: srossi wrote: Kriss wrote: Spatulapup wrote: Trump has no class. I don't picture him showing up to the inauguration and passing the torch to Biden. He does not have it in him to do it. And if he did go he would do something to upstage the whole thing.

So basically, Trump is Shawn Michaels?

Real footage of Trump at the inauguration.
I know it was petty, but watching Shawn Michaels bump like he was having a seizure that whole match was funny as hell.
Petty? Hell, that's literally (seriously) my favorite wrestling match of all time..NOTHING in wrestling has ever entertained me as much as that match lol

This was basically the last time that Shawn Michaels was Shawn Michaels.  He's a weird little cross-eyed hunter/Christian nutjob now, but on this night he was full-on 1996 super-asshole Shawn one more time, and it was glorious.  He used his super asshole powers for good instead of evil for his last time since it was Hogan that he did it to, and no one deserved it more.

I've never seen this match, but I *think* I have it on dvd.  When FYE was clearing out all of their WWE dvds about 7-8 years ago, I bought all of the Summerslam box sets.  Might need to pull this out and watch it over the holidays.  

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Infamous wrote: Any gambling sites taking bets on Trump winning even now ? Wonder what that’d pay out ?
I'm sure, and it's probably worth putting $50 on to pay out huge.

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srossi wrote: According to Business Insider, Trump is telling his inner circle he's running again in 2024 and could make a public announcement as early as next month. It also seems obvious that he will continue holding rallies regularly like that's his new job. This could be a 4 year campaign.  Republicans are in terror because of the distraction he's promising to cause, making it impossible for them to get back to "politics as usual" to prepare in the normal way for the mid-terms and then the next presidential primary.  It's going to be a mess.  He won't go away until he dies.
I can't imagine Trump doing anything else but campaigning the next four years.  If you're not a fan of his, it's going to be an exhausting ride.  I'm jealous of the people who aren't born yet who will get to live in a world where this is old history.

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sportatorium roach wrote: srossi wrote: According to Business Insider, Trump is telling his inner circle he's running again in 2024 and could make a public announcement as early as next month. It also seems obvious that he will continue holding rallies regularly like that's his new job. This could be a 4 year campaign.  Republicans are in terror because of the distraction he's promising to cause, making it impossible for them to get back to "politics as usual" to prepare in the normal way for the mid-terms and then the next presidential primary.  It's going to be a mess.  He won't go away until he dies.
I can't imagine Trump doing anything else but campaigning the next four years.  If you're not a fan of his, it's going to be an exhausting ride.  I'm jealous of the people who aren't born yet who will get to live in a world where this is old history.

Unless the ones who come after him are worse, and more competent.  My fear is that this guy permanently changed American politics.

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Somewhere in one of these threads yard signs came up. I had to do some driving today and did some counting.



12 people still had yard signs up. 1 for Biden & 11 for Trump. Total signs: 1 for Biden 22 for Trump. The interesting thing for Trump people was they had 1 sign or three signs. Maybe they are leaving them up for 4 years.



On a different note a Dem, friend of mine was arguing with a Trumper friend of his on the Facebooks and called Trumpers a cult. He asked why Trumpers fly Trump flags instead of US flags. The Trumper blew a gasket which was pretty hilarious.


But it was a good point. I don't recall anyone flying Bush or Reagan flags, so its not a Republican thing. You're more likely to see a truck flying a Trump flag with a Confederate flag that you are a Trump flag and an American flag.


It may just be that Trump was the only one who decided he could make some coin selling his flags.

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The Ultimate Sin wrote: Somewhere in one of these threads yard signs came up. I had to do some driving today and did some counting.



12 people still had yard signs up. 1 for Biden & 11 for Trump. Total signs: 1 for Biden 22 for Trump. The interesting thing for Trump people was they had 1 sign or three signs. Maybe they are leaving them up for 4 years

For sane people the election is over.  For Trump supporters, it's in full swing so gotta keep showing that support.

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I still see a few Bernie Sanders signs around town. His supporters are like ECW fans at this point in 2000. It was pretty much over, but the diehards were willing to go down with the ship on a matter of principle regardless.

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AZ is pretty much done. Trump won't get the votes he needs to make a comeback there. It's all over but the tweeting.

FWIW I saw far more Bernie signs than Hillary signs in the working class parts of Buffalo 4 years ago. And Bernie wasn't running for anything.

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Trump is doing roasts on the way out. I rather enjoyed this one from today. Even a broken clock is right twice a day.

John Bolton was one of the dumbest people in government that I’ve had the “pleasure” to work with. A sullen, dull and quiet guy, he added nothing to National Security except, “Gee, let’s go to war.” Also, illegally released much Classified Information. A real dope!

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sportatorium roach wrote: srossi wrote: According to Business Insider, Trump is telling his inner circle he's running again in 2024 and could make a public announcement as early as next month. It also seems obvious that he will continue holding rallies regularly like that's his new job. This could be a 4 year campaign.  Republicans are in terror because of the distraction he's promising to cause, making it impossible for them to get back to "politics as usual" to prepare in the normal way for the mid-terms and then the next presidential primary.  It's going to be a mess.  He won't go away until he dies.
I can't imagine Trump doing anything else but campaigning the next four years.  If you're not a fan of his, it's going to be an exhausting ride.  I'm jealous of the people who aren't born yet who will get to live in a world where this is old history.

He'll kill the Republican party, basically forcing them to choose sides pre midterm elections. 

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The Ultimate Sin wrote: Somewhere in one of these threads yard signs came up. I had to do some driving today and did some counting.



12 people still had yard signs up. 1 for Biden & 11 for Trump. Total signs: 1 for Biden 22 for Trump. The interesting thing for Trump people was they had 1 sign or three signs. Maybe they are leaving them up for 4 years.



On a different note a Dem, friend of mine was arguing with a Trumper friend of his on the Facebooks and called Trumpers a cult. He asked why Trumpers fly Trump flags instead of US flags. The Trumper blew a gasket which was pretty hilarious.


But it was a good point. I don't recall anyone flying Bush or Reagan flags, so its not a Republican thing. You're more likely to see a truck flying a Trump flag with a Confederate flag that you are a Trump flag and an American flag.


It may just be that Trump was the only one who decided he could make some coin selling his flags.

In my area of Republican Hell, most pick-up trucks have the American flag flying, not Trump's.

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At five minutes to midnight, Trump picked up his iPhone and went into Twitter, turned on Caps Lock and proceeded to tweet: "I WON THE ELECTION!" Not as the truth, or even as his truth, but as a grift to keep the donations coming in. Even if you don't buy into that last part, 71M Americans are happy with the first part.

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Kriss wrote: At five minutes to midnight, Trump picked up his iPhone and went into Twitter, turned on Caps Lock and proceeded to tweet: "I WON THE ELECTION!" Not as the truth, or even as his truth, but as a grift to keep the donations coming in. Even if you don't buy into that last part, 71M Americans are happy with the first part.
Weird considering he tweeted earlier in the day that he had LOST the election and then about 20 minutes later, he withdrew that tweet. 

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Franchise wrote: Benlen wrote: Franchise wrote: Antrim county was what I read and it said that it went from a loss to a win for Trump and that after the 6,000 vote correction it put him up by 2,300.Does that matter anymore? Trump lost Michigan by 140,000 votes.

It does, the same software was used in I believe 30 states across the US and in 47 counties across Michigan. It may not get Trump a win but if it glitched down ticket as well you could have a lot of mixed up victories. 

Follow up on this as more details came out during Trumps challenges.

The Antrim County deal wasn't a software glitch as reported.  

EDITED AS I MISUNDERSTOOD WHAT THE REPORT MEANT.   SAME BUT DIFFERENT-


The Republican Clerk LOADED OLD SOFTWARE TO READ THE VOTES.  It was human error and it was a Republican who screwed Trump in an overwhelmingly red precinct, so right away everyone knew something was wrong, and it got reported and fixed quickly.
The conspiracies theories were pretty wild- someone intentionally set the machines to change the votes, all the machines across the country have the same glitch so all of the Biden votes on those machines were also really Trump votes, and my favorite, Governor Whitmer paid off the election officials to change the votes while she was in Antrim County at her summer home.

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So Trump’s recount in Wisconsin ends up with Biden getting even more votes. WINNING!!


https://apple.news/AS735M4q3T6axj4tF480rqA

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