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Mantle’s 565 footer at the old Yankee Stadium hit the facade and hadn’t started to come down yet, allegedly. Here is my take: I agree with the racist srossi, no chance Josh Gibson hit a 600 footer. Why? Because there no chance the negro leagues were playing with major league balls and bats. They got stuff that was used and left over. There was no sponsorships and there was no money to spend. With that said, in the ‘40s-‘60s, the bats were much, much harder and better built with older wood that I would bet was naturally dried instead of kiln dried. But there’s no way the balls were wound as tight as today. Could these guys hit one 600ft? I guess. Did Ruth ever? Or Bonds? They were, in my opinion, the two strongest baseball players to ever live. I would put Mantle up there with his strength but not in Ruth or Bonds class. So why would Mick be able to do that at a time when nobody else could?



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I'm sure a study will be done (if not already) that will plot out the perfect swing, perfect velocity of the thrown ball in the perfect spot, with the bat connecting on the absolutely best part of the ball at precisely the right moment, with perfect conditions for the ball to travel as long as it possibly could under those conditions, where the hitter is the strongest possible hitter the majors has ever seen (i.e. Bonds, or Ruth as mentioned above).

I'll be curious to see the number in feet that they come up with. Is 600 feet possible under those conditions? 575? 550? I don't know. But in today's day and age, finding out probably isn't impossible.



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Superstar wrote: Mantle’s 565 footer at the old Yankee Stadium hit the facade and hadn’t started to come down yet, allegedly. Here is my take: I agree with the racist srossi, no chance Josh Gibson hit a 600 footer. Why? Because there no chance the negro leagues were playing with major league balls and bats. They got stuff that was used and left over. There was no sponsorships and there was no money to spend. With that said, in the ‘40s-‘60s, the bats were much, much harder and better built with older wood that I would bet was naturally dried instead of kiln dried. But there’s no way the balls were wound as tight as today. Could these guys hit one 600ft? I guess. Did Ruth ever? Or Bonds? They were, in my opinion, the two strongest baseball players to ever live. I would put Mantle up there with his strength but not in Ruth or Bonds class. So why would Mick be able to do that at a time when nobody else could?
As much as I love old timey baseball, I doubt Ruth holds up as one of the top 300 strongest baseball players anymore. He was a freak of nature in his day, able to adapt to the new live ball era quicker than anyone else. But objectively a guy like Dave Winfield or Aaron Judge must be a lot stronger. Ruth was 6’2, 200 pounds (in shape, not counting his later years). Huge for the day, less impressive now. I don’t see any way he could’ve hit a baseball farther than anything we’ve seen in the last 40 years, even if he could hit more of them. We’re taking about one perfect connection. How could no one hit it 600 feet just once if he could? A lot of Ruth’s exploits are anecdotal based on really overzealous writers, because almost no one actually watched the games. If you weren’t one of the 50,000 there on a particular day, you didn’t see it, ever. And even if you were there, you saw it in a flash with no replays and nothing to compare it to except a 5’6 guy doing a lot of bunting.
 
And that’s the Yankees, heavily watched and covered for the day. The Negro Leagues were almost entirely anecdotal so although I have no doubt Gibson would’ve been able to mash in MLB, it’s impossible to say how he would’ve compared to Ruth in quantity or distance of homers, so it’s really impossible to say how he would compare across eras. But I see no scenario where either Ruth or Gibson ever came close to 600 or even 550 feet. Gibson was probably in better shape though, 6’1, 210, a lot more muscle by all accounts. Closer to what a modern athlete would look like, but still nothing resembling real conditioning and strength training. 

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Superstar wrote: Mantle’s 565 footer at the old Yankee Stadium hit the facade and hadn’t started to come down yet, allegedly. 
Mantle's alleged 565 footer was at Griffith Stadium in Washington, D.C.  And even then, it rolled to 565'.
https://baseballhall.org/discover/inside-pitch/mantle-hits-565-foot-home-run

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srossi wrote: Superstar wrote: Mantle’s 565 footer at the old Yankee Stadium hit the facade and hadn’t started to come down yet, allegedly. Here is my take: I agree with the racist srossi, no chance Josh Gibson hit a 600 footer. Why? Because there no chance the negro leagues were playing with major league balls and bats. They got stuff that was used and left over. There was no sponsorships and there was no money to spend. With that said, in the ‘40s-‘60s, the bats were much, much harder and better built with older wood that I would bet was naturally dried instead of kiln dried. But there’s no way the balls were wound as tight as today. Could these guys hit one 600ft? I guess. Did Ruth ever? Or Bonds? They were, in my opinion, the two strongest baseball players to ever live. I would put Mantle up there with his strength but not in Ruth or Bonds class. So why would Mick be able to do that at a time when nobody else could?
As much as I love old timey baseball, I doubt Ruth holds up as one of the top 300 strongest baseball players anymore. He was a freak of nature in his day, able to adapt to the new live ball era quicker than anyone else. But objectively a guy like Dave Winfield or Aaron Judge must be a lot stronger. Ruth was 6’2, 200 pounds (in shape, not counting his later years). Huge for the day, less impressive now. I don’t see any way he could’ve hit a baseball farther than anything we’ve seen in the last 40 years, even if he could hit more of them. We’re taking about one perfect connection. How could no one hit it 600 feet just once if he could? A lot of Ruth’s exploits are anecdotal based on really overzealous writers, because almost no one actually watched the games. If you weren’t one of the 50,000 there on a particular day, you didn’t see it, ever. And even if you were there, you saw it in a flash with no replays and nothing to compare it to except a 5’6 guy doing a lot of bunting.
 
And that’s the Yankees, heavily watched and covered for the day. The Negro Leagues were almost entirely anecdotal so although I have no doubt Gibson would’ve been able to mash in MLB, it’s impossible to say how he would’ve compared to Ruth in quantity or distance of homers, so it’s really impossible to say how he would compare across eras. But I see no scenario where either Ruth or Gibson ever came close to 600 or even 550 feet. Gibson was probably in better shape though, 6’1, 210, a lot more muscle by all accounts. Closer to what a modern athlete would look like, but still nothing resembling real conditioning and strength training. 

The first summer I went to White Sox games at Old Comiskey (1983), we sat in the left field bleachers for a Sox/Yankees night game.  Winfield hit a screaming, line shot of homer, a rope that you could have hung the laundry out on.  Literally don't believe it ever rose higher than 30-ft in the air.  The ball went over our heads and ricocheted off one of the upper deck posts and back onto the field.  To this day, I think someone would have been killed if that ball hit them in the chest or head.  Winfield was an absolute beast.  I'd put Canseco and McGwire, in their primes, in that group too.  Obviously I never saw the Babe play live, but we've all seen photos and the old reels.  A different era, a different game, with all due respect.  



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Blazer wrote: srossi wrote: Superstar wrote: Mantle’s 565 footer at the old Yankee Stadium hit the facade and hadn’t started to come down yet, allegedly. Here is my take: I agree with the racist srossi, no chance Josh Gibson hit a 600 footer. Why? Because there no chance the negro leagues were playing with major league balls and bats. They got stuff that was used and left over. There was no sponsorships and there was no money to spend. With that said, in the ‘40s-‘60s, the bats were much, much harder and better built with older wood that I would bet was naturally dried instead of kiln dried. But there’s no way the balls were wound as tight as today. Could these guys hit one 600ft? I guess. Did Ruth ever? Or Bonds? They were, in my opinion, the two strongest baseball players to ever live. I would put Mantle up there with his strength but not in Ruth or Bonds class. So why would Mick be able to do that at a time when nobody else could?
As much as I love old timey baseball, I doubt Ruth holds up as one of the top 300 strongest baseball players anymore. He was a freak of nature in his day, able to adapt to the new live ball era quicker than anyone else. But objectively a guy like Dave Winfield or Aaron Judge must be a lot stronger. Ruth was 6’2, 200 pounds (in shape, not counting his later years). Huge for the day, less impressive now. I don’t see any way he could’ve hit a baseball farther than anything we’ve seen in the last 40 years, even if he could hit more of them. We’re taking about one perfect connection. How could no one hit it 600 feet just once if he could? A lot of Ruth’s exploits are anecdotal based on really overzealous writers, because almost no one actually watched the games. If you weren’t one of the 50,000 there on a particular day, you didn’t see it, ever. And even if you were there, you saw it in a flash with no replays and nothing to compare it to except a 5’6 guy doing a lot of bunting.
 
And that’s the Yankees, heavily watched and covered for the day. The Negro Leagues were almost entirely anecdotal so although I have no doubt Gibson would’ve been able to mash in MLB, it’s impossible to say how he would’ve compared to Ruth in quantity or distance of homers, so it’s really impossible to say how he would compare across eras. But I see no scenario where either Ruth or Gibson ever came close to 600 or even 550 feet. Gibson was probably in better shape though, 6’1, 210, a lot more muscle by all accounts. Closer to what a modern athlete would look like, but still nothing resembling real conditioning and strength training. 

The first summer I went to White Sox games at Old Comiskey (1983), we sat in the left field bleachers for a Sox/Yankees night game.  Winfield hit a screaming, line shot of homer, a rope that you could have hung the laundry out on.  Literally don't believe it ever rose higher than 30-ft in the air.  The ball went over our heads and ricocheted off one of the upper deck posts and back onto the field.  To this day, I think someone would have been killed if that ball hit them in the chest or head.  Winfield was an absolute beast.  I'd put Canseco and McGwire, in their primes, in that group too.  Obviously I never saw the Babe play live, but we've all seen photos and the old reels.  A different era, a different game, with all due respect. 

Winfield was one of the most powerful players ever, and one of the greatest athletes we've ever seen.  A baseball, basketball, and football star who made it to the big leagues without having to go through the minors.  He's probably better than Bo Jackson, although no one mentions him in that category.



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Good quality video with a camera man who was lost, and it's a AAA game in Mile High Stadium but this is purportedly the longest verified home run, not just minor leagues at 582 feet. Joey Meyer of the Denver Zephyrs, June 2, 1987.

All it got Meyer was a 2 season MLB career with the Milwaukee Brewers.


Not out of the realm of possibility for Mantle to have hit one 61 feet further but unless that homer or any other hit by anyone is 100% verifiable then this whole pythagorean theorem is just one guys guess.   



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DaClyde wrote: Superstar wrote: Mantle’s 565 footer at the old Yankee Stadium hit the facade and hadn’t started to come down yet, allegedly. 
Mantle's alleged 565 footer was at Griffith Stadium in Washington, D.C.  And even then, it rolled to 565'.
https://baseballhall.org/discover/inside-pitch/mantle-hits-565-foot-home-run
Ok - what was the distance of the one that he hit off of the facade, followed by the “predicted distance” if it didn’t strike anything?  I know it went 500+ based on how far from home plate the facade was.



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Even though I was a Sox fan, I'd watch Cubs afternoon games on tv when I got home from school. I still remember seeing this one from May of 1979. Kingman cleared Waveland Avenue, and you can see the ball take a bounce about three houses down Kenmore before a guy runs down the stairs of the porch of the 4th house. It's not entirely clear where the ball initially hits because you're only seeing the ball come back up after the bounce, but let's assume it's the third house down. Just did a rough Google distance measurement. This would have been 540-ft. That's with the wind blowing OUT at Wrigley. Kingman was a beast for his time (pre-steroid era). I just don't think it's physically possible in the generation before this to go 643-ft.



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The farthest ball I ever saw hit was either in 72 or 73 at Comiskey Park. Dick Allen hit a line shot that hit the center field scoreboard that was in dead center field.

I have not seen anyone on the Sox or a visiting player hit the ball farther or harder than Allen and I literally attended hundreds of games.

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Here is a site which lists Mantle’s longest homers: 

http://www.themick.com/10homers.html

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Papa Voo wrote: Here is a site which lists Mantle’s longest homers: 

http://www.themick.com/10homers.html

LOL, I love how this list just double down.  We've been talking about a 643-ft homer, and now all of a sudden there's a 734-ft homer to debate about, plus a 656-ft and a 650-ft.



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As much as I love old timey baseball, 
Oh you mean like baseball before 1947? Before those pesky colored broke that pesky color line. Your racism literally knows no limits does it? Did a black kid beat you out for the last spot on a little league team? A black kid steal the girl you had a crush on in 8th grade? You are the most disgusting "person" I've ever encountered on the internet.



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