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I assume that basically anyone who ever appeared in any major promotion, even as the most destroyed jobber, had wins on the independent circuit or some minor backyard federation.  But that may be a false assumption.
Has anyone ever gone through, say, a decade-long career, and never had a single victory?  With a supplementary as to who has been in a major promotion the longest without a win?  (Even Barry Hardy had a WWF win as a Turtle.)



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Without doing any deep delving, I'd be willing to bet that Curt Hawkins lost more matches in a row than anyone.

On the November 8, 2016 episode of Smackdown, he beat Apollo Crews, then lost every single match until April 7, 2019, when he tagged with Zack Ryder to win the Raw Tag Team Title from The Revival on the WrestleMania 35 pre-show.

He lost 269 matches straight.



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That's a great question. Even the proverbial jobbers would occasionally get matched up together on a house show and one guy would go over (Ron Shaw vs. Terry Gibbs, Pete Doherty vs. Iron Mike Sharpe, etc.). So you have to go down another level and look at some of the syndicated tv jobbers (Tom Stone, Aj Petruzzi, Johnny K-9, etc). Those guys probably got wins on local indy shows. So, I've got nothing remarkable to add, but this is a fun question.



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Blazer wrote: That's a great question. Even the proverbial jobbers would occasionally get matched up together on a house show and one guy would go over (Ron Shaw vs. Terry Gibbs, Pete Doherty vs. Iron Mike Sharpe, etc.). So you have to go down another level and look at some of the syndicated tv jobbers (Tom Stone, Aj Petruzzi, Johnny K-9, etc). Those guys probably got wins on local indy shows. So, I've got nothing remarkable to add, but this is a fun question.

Johnny K-9 was on a spot show during our county fair at some point in the late 80s.  As he was possibly the biggest name on the card, I'm sure he got the nod.  

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KGB wrote: Blazer wrote: That's a great question. Even the proverbial jobbers would occasionally get matched up together on a house show and one guy would go over (Ron Shaw vs. Terry Gibbs, Pete Doherty vs. Iron Mike Sharpe, etc.). So you have to go down another level and look at some of the syndicated tv jobbers (Tom Stone, Aj Petruzzi, Johnny K-9, etc). Those guys probably got wins on local indy shows. So, I've got nothing remarkable to add, but this is a fun question.

Johnny K-9 was on a spot show during our county fair at some point in the late 90s.  As he was possibly the biggest name on the card, I'm sure he got the nod. 

This is pretty much true of anyone who stuck around after their heyday.  At some point, you become the biggest name in your little area based on just being on TV 10 years ago.  Steve Lombardi was main eventing some indy in Michigan on a monthly basis at some point as their champion, I guess he had relocated there.  Duane Gill was a top star on the Maryland indy scene at one point.  Steve Gatorwolf won tons of titles in I think Arizona during and after his WWF jobber stint.  Etc.  I'm going off of memory, but I studied the Royal Duncan/Gary Will title histories book a decade ago and I came across this stuff and more.

I think to answer the question, you have to find someone who ONLY did jobs and then had little interest on cashing in on his jobber fame afterwards and just got a real job without ever making the indy rounds.  Otherwise they'll surely go over a few local guys.



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Dwayne Gill pinned Bob Backlund on some indy show in 2001. I've not checked but it used to be up on YouTube.

Some of the old Crockett jobbers might be in with a shout as between the Saturday morning, evening and Sunday shows plus the Worldwide and Pro syndicated tapings, they were doing plenty of double even triple shots on tapings. Guys like George South, Rocky King would often win in house shows openers, but I've got Vernon Deaton at 0-160 and that is probably not anywhere near complete.

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Did Snake Brown ever win on indy shows? He was my favorite NWA jobber, but I never heard much else about him.



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I could only find one win for Fred Marzino between 1978 and 1986.. He even lost to Lee Wong. I could only find 1 win for Tim Gerrard as well...coming against...Fred Marzino...Fred lost to some all time losers.

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I saw a win for Snake Brown earlier this week in reading a result. He was in the opener and I recall briefly thinking the man he defeated must be quite new if Snake was on top.

Early on in my viewership of wrestling, the AWA brought in a man named Al Ringo, who was lucky if his forearms even made contact. Jesse Ventura destroyed him. Years later I read some Al Ringo results from Central States in about 1979 and he was bottom level talent there, too.

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Snake had a win over Tony Russo on a WWF house show in 1985.



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This thread reminds me of “The Battle of the Underdogs” (I think it was called that) that WCW Saturday Night did, I think during the Bill Watts era. Matches between 2 jobbers that served no purpose whatsoever and were sometimes excruciating to watch, but it was fun to try to figure out which loser would win. Joey Maggs got a couple wins here. I’d be curious if anyone had a full listing of all these results.



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kargol wrote: Snake had a win over Tony Russo on a WWF house show in 1985.


Birmingham.   That was the one.  I know they had been taping in the WTBS studios that month as well and Snake had appeared.  Russo wasn't a newbie either; I recall him from the Northeast cards around 1978.   Funny how some results jump out at random.   

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Did Joe Turco ever get a win?



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Turco managed a televised win at least...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WGIW9Vn9SOQ

srossi wrote: This thread reminds me of “The Battle of the Underdogs” (I think it was called that) that WCW Saturday Night did, I think during the Bill Watts era. Matches between 2 jobbers that served no purpose whatsoever and were sometimes excruciating to watch, but it was fun to try to figure out which loser would win. Joey Maggs got a couple wins here. I’d be curious if anyone had a full listing of all these results.Indeed Bob Cook actually got a win over Maggs - his only WCW win.  Used to be on youtube, Bob Mould was in the audience.



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katook wrote: Did Joe Turco ever get a win?

His win/loss record was terrible, but he did get some wins in opening matches. He even got a win at MSG over Blackjack Slade.



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