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 Posted: Tue Apr 13th, 2021 01:49 pm
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krazykid18 wrote: https://www.cnn.com/2021/04/13/health/johnson-vaccine-pause-cdc-fda/index.html

CDC stopping JJ due to cases of blood clot

Well they knew that before they started distributing it and told people not to worry about it.  Everyone who criticizes the CDC is accused of being a Trump-supporting racist conspiracy theory anti-vax lunatic, but that doesn't account for the fact that the CDC is just flat-out wrong ALL OF THE TIME.  It was reckless to allow the so many people to get the J&J vaccine knowing the problem from the beginning, and of course this will only embolden the real anti-vaxers and cause those on the fence to not get vaccinated now. 



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srossi wrote: krazykid18 wrote: https://www.cnn.com/2021/04/13/health/johnson-vaccine-pause-cdc-fda/index.html

CDC stopping JJ due to cases of blood clot

Well they knew that before they started distributing it and told people not to worry about it.  Everyone who criticizes the CDC is accused of being a Trump-supporting racist conspiracy theory anti-vax lunatic, but that doesn't account for the fact that the CDC is just flat-out wrong ALL OF THE TIME.  It was reckless to allow the so many people to get the J&J vaccine knowing the problem from the beginning, and of course this will only embolden the real anti-vaxers and cause those on the fence to not get vaccinated now. 

Well, I'm regretting taking it today that's for sure...



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srossi wrote:
Well they knew that before they started distributing it and told people not to worry about it... 

They did? For the J&J vaccine? I know that blood clots have been a major issue with the AstraZeneca vaccine in Europe but this is the first I have heard of the J&J vaccine having an issue.

Only having 6 reported cases out of more than 6.8 million doses given is a pretty good batting average - that is less than 1 in a million. Of course, the number of blood clot cases could be under-reported.

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Big Garea Fan wrote:
Only having 6 reported cases out of more than 6.8 million doses given is a pretty good batting average - that is less than 1 in a million. Of course, the number of blood clot cases could be under-reported.

To be fair you have a pretty good bating average of NOT dying from Covid too..



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Married Jo wrote: Big Garea Fan wrote:
Only having 6 reported cases out of more than 6.8 million doses given is a pretty good batting average - that is less than 1 in a million. Of course, the number of blood clot cases could be under-reported.

To be fair you have a pretty good bating average of NOT dying from Covid too..
True. I am wondering what the averages for hospitalizations related to COVID and long-term complications resulting from COVID infections are.

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The blood clot thing is not an issue. It's background noise. In Britain, you'd expect more people to get blood clots just from general annual averages than have got it after taking the AZ vaccine. But they're being extra leery after cretins like Macron and von der Leyen started badmouthing AZ to cover up the fact that they had monumentally fucked up their own policies.



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I got COVID a week and a half after getting my first shot.

I had an incredibly mild case.

After seeing a family member die, having a couple of close friends and family get some relatively tough cases of COVID I am thankful. I also think the vaccine helped mitigate the symptoms.

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A fairly well researched article on why this person won't get any of the vaccines.  Some may find the bits about Fauci border on conspiracy theories, others may think they're valid points that need answering   But ultimately, he raises some very level-headed points about these vaccines that shouldn't be dismissed out of hand.  

https://www.deconstructingconventional.com/post/18-reason-i-won-t-be-getting-a-covid-vaccine



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Married Jo wrote: Big Garea Fan wrote:
Only having 6 reported cases out of more than 6.8 million doses given is a pretty good batting average - that is less than 1 in a million. Of course, the number of blood clot cases could be under-reported.

To be fair you have a pretty good bating average of NOT dying from Covid too..


I think it is situation dependant. For the average person, the potential for contact with symptomatic individuals is going to be a lot less than for me. I have some 87 year old with a productive cough hacking all over the room every shift. Multiply that by 2-3 other patients over the weekend, by 50 weekends a year, my contact with some droplets, even with precautions is going to be higher at some point than the average joe. 

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Principal_Raditch wrote: Married Jo wrote: Big Garea Fan wrote:
Only having 6 reported cases out of more than 6.8 million doses given is a pretty good batting average - that is less than 1 in a million. Of course, the number of blood clot cases could be under-reported.

To be fair you have a pretty good bating average of NOT dying from Covid too..


I think it is situation dependant. For the average person, the potential for contact with symptomatic individuals is going to be a lot less than for me. I have some 87 year old with a productive cough hacking all over the room every shift. Multiply that by 2-3 other patients over the weekend, by 50 weekends a year, my contact with some droplets, even with precautions is going to be higher at some point than the average joe. 

There's no doubt you're more likely to get it.  I don't even see how you could NOT get it in your situation.  It would take a miracle, even after vaccination since that's not supposed to prevent you from getting it, it only makes your symptoms milder (unless they changed their minds on that again).  But your chances of dying from it still seem very low.



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srossi wrote:   But your chances of dying from it still seem very low.

Man...I don't know. Here in Maryland, we have had approximately 20 people dying per day for the past month and the hospitalizations keep climbing. This is even with warm weather and the most fragile people having been vaccinated. I would expect the deaths and hospitalizations to go down but they keep going up.

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Getting the AstraZeneca shot Friday. The large pharmacies here have month long waiting lists. Small town 10 minutes north of where I live had a ton of availability.



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I've been healthier the last year, well since just before COVID than I was before, when I'd get the "flu" we all know and hate, which seems to be eradicated as well as multiple colds at different times of the year.

Our exposure to people out in the country is more limited with only 2 trips into the city a week typically so I'm going to wait until more data is in.

Research and testing on vaccines and new drugs was far more extensive pre COVID IMO but this to me has all been quite rushed. We are going to hold off for the time being.



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Angelic Assassin wrote: Research and testing on vaccines and new drugs was far more extensive pre COVID IMO but this to me has all been quite rushed. We are going to hold off for the time being.
It's either what you say about it all being rushed OR they've been able to turnaround vaccines and other meds this fast all along and have been milking turnaround time on creating them for the $$.
Both scenarios are quite feasible to me so it's probably a combo of both.

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khawk wrote: Angelic Assassin wrote: Research and testing on vaccines and new drugs was far more extensive pre COVID IMO but this to me has all been quite rushed. We are going to hold off for the time being.
It's either what you say about it all being rushed OR they've been able to turnaround vaccines and other meds this fast all along and have been milking turnaround time on creating them for the $$.
Both scenarios are quite feasible to me so it's probably a combo of both.


You have a point there. The general populace has likely never been told the whole unadulterated truth about anything. 



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