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I'm not refusing it but haven't got it yet. 

Just waiting to make sure that someone that has gotten it hasn't started growing a tail before I jump in.

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Not refusing

Im just not interested

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I have a few coworkers who are refusing. They are the microchip, new world order, world reset crowd.

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I was initially skeptical, but ended up getting it. The second shot knocked me on my ass for a few days, but I am good now.

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I'm waiting. My job was offering and I passed. Have a physical in June and if people aren't dying by then I'll get it.

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Just took the J&J today. School district finally ran a clinic. And surprisingly, it was done right.

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Franchise wrote: Not refusing

Im just not interested

Same here

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I’ll pass & re-evaluate in 1 year

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I got my first Pfizer shot on Monday morning. Was a bit lethargic in the afternoon, but no problems and slept through the night. Arm was slightly sore. It is what it is. I was initially going to hold out, but decided to go with it.

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Fully vaccinated.

Had similar Cytokine storm that is associated with Covid with my leukemia, so I got vaccinated as soon as it was available.

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fully vaccinated, Pfizer, little to no side effects unlike the Shingles (Shringrax) vaccine I got last year which leveled me.

Anyone more afraid of the vaccine than COVID has other issues in my opinion.

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Principal_Raditch wrote: I have a few coworkers who are refusing. They are the microchip, new world order, world reset crowd.I work for a hospital also (non-clinical). They made us sign a waiver if you refuse the shot. They had a section to write why you refused. I cleverly wrote "The vaccine is being used by Bill Gates to depopulate the planet and usher in a New World Order". My boss caught this and she is quite used to my immaturity. She also knows that I have no fucks to give about whether I keep the job or not. She called me and said "you know this is going directly to your HR person, I'll send it if you want, but if you want to change your answer I have another form". Of course I took the irresponsible route and had her send it. I've heard nothing since. I'll bet the hospital management is in bed with Bill Gates.

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Give me a couple years and I'll think about it, but not now. I'm not anti-vax, but I'm also not sold on a new technology like this being used without long-term, rigorous testing. And they're definitely not putting it inside my daughter. I hope it's safe and effective and represents a pathway to other effective vaccines, but this is far too rushed for a novel procedure.


Interestingly, the older people around me who've had it have suffered very few side effects, while I'm hearing reports of younger, middle aged recipients having more of an issue. From a day or two of discomfort, to getting knocked on their ass, to an early 40s guy I know who spent 6 days in hospital with numbness down half of his body. And he's a gym rat in very good physical condition. I gotta tell you, I've never heard of that happening with a conventional flu shot.

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WongLee wrote: Principal_Raditch wrote: I have a few coworkers who are refusing. They are the microchip, new world order, world reset crowd.I work for a hospital also (non-clinical). They made us sign a waiver if you refuse the shot. They had a section to write why you refused. I cleverly wrote "The vaccine is being used by Bill Gates to depopulate the planet and usher in a New World Order". My boss caught this and she is quite used to my immaturity. She also knows that I have no fucks to give about whether I keep the job or not. She called me and said "you know this is going directly to your HR person, I'll send it if you want, but if you want to change your answer I have another form". Of course I took the irresponsible route and had her send it. I've heard nothing since. I'll bet the hospital management is in bed with Bill Gates.
I’m so glad I’m not your HR person. 

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srossi wrote: WongLee wrote: Principal_Raditch wrote: I have a few coworkers who are refusing. They are the microchip, new world order, world reset crowd.I work for a hospital also (non-clinical). They made us sign a waiver if you refuse the shot. They had a section to write why you refused. I cleverly wrote "The vaccine is being used by Bill Gates to depopulate the planet and usher in a New World Order". My boss caught this and she is quite used to my immaturity. She also knows that I have no fucks to give about whether I keep the job or not. She called me and said "you know this is going directly to your HR person, I'll send it if you want, but if you want to change your answer I have another form". Of course I took the irresponsible route and had her send it. I've heard nothing since. I'll bet the hospital management is in bed with Bill Gates.
I’m so glad I’m not your HR person. 


Straight, white males have no place in an HR department.  

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KGB wrote: srossi wrote: WongLee wrote: Principal_Raditch wrote: I have a few coworkers who are refusing. They are the microchip, new world order, world reset crowd.I work for a hospital also (non-clinical). They made us sign a waiver if you refuse the shot. They had a section to write why you refused. I cleverly wrote "The vaccine is being used by Bill Gates to depopulate the planet and usher in a New World Order". My boss caught this and she is quite used to my immaturity. She also knows that I have no fucks to give about whether I keep the job or not. She called me and said "you know this is going directly to your HR person, I'll send it if you want, but if you want to change your answer I have another form". Of course I took the irresponsible route and had her send it. I've heard nothing since. I'll bet the hospital management is in bed with Bill Gates.
I’m so glad I’m not your HR person. 


Straight, white males have no place in an HR department. 

This will be news to about 70% of the people I've worked with.

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retroken wrote: fully vaccinated, Pfizer, little to no side effects unlike the Shingles (Shringrax) vaccine I got last year which leveled me.

Anyone more afraid of the vaccine than COVID has other issues in my opinion.


Would you extend that opinion to a parent who's reluctant to let their child get jabbed?  We know the Chinese flu, statistically speaking, is not a threat to children.  Should they still get a novel vaccine with no data on long-term effects?  

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KGB wrote: retroken wrote: fully vaccinated, Pfizer, little to no side effects unlike the Shingles (Shringrax) vaccine I got last year which leveled me.

Anyone more afraid of the vaccine than COVID has other issues in my opinion.


Would you extend that opinion to a parent who's reluctant to let their child get jabbed?  We know the Chinese flu, statistically speaking, is not a threat to children.  Should they still get a novel vaccine with no data on long-term effects? 

Children under 16 aren't even eligible.  They need to do more testing.  Anyone would be crazy to give it to a child based on what we currently know.  I'm not sure if anyone is even arguing otherwise except the most extremist nuts.  This and the HPV vaccine, which is fairly new (but still around for years) and has been stopped in Europe, are the two right now that I wouldn't have my son get.

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srossi wrote: KGB wrote: srossi wrote: WongLee wrote: Principal_Raditch wrote: I have a few coworkers who are refusing. They are the microchip, new world order, world reset crowd.I work for a hospital also (non-clinical). They made us sign a waiver if you refuse the shot. They had a section to write why you refused. I cleverly wrote "The vaccine is being used by Bill Gates to depopulate the planet and usher in a New World Order". My boss caught this and she is quite used to my immaturity. She also knows that I have no fucks to give about whether I keep the job or not. She called me and said "you know this is going directly to your HR person, I'll send it if you want, but if you want to change your answer I have another form". Of course I took the irresponsible route and had her send it. I've heard nothing since. I'll bet the hospital management is in bed with Bill Gates.
I’m so glad I’m not your HR person. 


Straight, white males have no place in an HR department. 

This will be news to about 70% of the people I've worked with.


Sounds like an exception to the rule.  In 15 years at my current place of employment, we've had 4 HR managers: two women, a black guy, and an obviously closeted white guy.  He just retired a week ago and we're getting a chick to replace him.  The HR assistant has also been a female that entire time.  At the corporate level, it's broads as far as the eye can see.  Anecdotally, yours is the first time I've heard of white men having such a representation.  

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srossi wrote: KGB wrote: retroken wrote: fully vaccinated, Pfizer, little to no side effects unlike the Shingles (Shringrax) vaccine I got last year which leveled me.

Anyone more afraid of the vaccine than COVID has other issues in my opinion.


Would you extend that opinion to a parent who's reluctant to let their child get jabbed?  We know the Chinese flu, statistically speaking, is not a threat to children.  Should they still get a novel vaccine with no data on long-term effects? 

Children under 16 aren't even eligible.  They need to do more testing.  Anyone would be crazy to give it to a child based on what we currently know.  I'm not sure if anyone is even arguing otherwise except the most extremist nuts.  This and the HPV vaccine, which is fairly new (but still around for years) and has been stopped in Europe, are the two right now that I wouldn't have my son get.


https://www.today.com/parents/los-angeles-schools-may-require-covid-19-vaccine-students-t205633

And if we've learned anything in the past year, once the camel's nose is under the tent...

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KGB wrote: srossi wrote: KGB wrote: retroken wrote: fully vaccinated, Pfizer, little to no side effects unlike the Shingles (Shringrax) vaccine I got last year which leveled me.

Anyone more afraid of the vaccine than COVID has other issues in my opinion.


Would you extend that opinion to a parent who's reluctant to let their child get jabbed?  We know the Chinese flu, statistically speaking, is not a threat to children.  Should they still get a novel vaccine with no data on long-term effects? 

Children under 16 aren't even eligible.  They need to do more testing.  Anyone would be crazy to give it to a child based on what we currently know.  I'm not sure if anyone is even arguing otherwise except the most extremist nuts.  This and the HPV vaccine, which is fairly new (but still around for years) and has been stopped in Europe, are the two right now that I wouldn't have my son get.


https://www.today.com/parents/los-angeles-schools-may-require-covid-19-vaccine-students-t205633

And if we've learned anything in the past year, once the camel's nose is under the tent...

I mentioned this yesterday because you can see the MSM beginning to put this spin out there.  Kids are now, supposedly, "susceptible" to the UK Variant.  Yesterday, GMA had a blurb about a daycare facility in Wisconsin where 20 kids all came down with Covid.  So, as much as I want to believe that this entire thing isn't some kind of government plot, you can see where this is going.  They're going to require everyone to get the damn shot now.  I don't care as much.  I'm done having kids and my body's  probably already fucked up enough from eating Stouffer's TV dinners and Hostess fruit pies for my entire childhood.  I'm not a fan of seeing kids required to get this.

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Blazer wrote: KGB wrote: srossi wrote: KGB wrote: retroken wrote: fully vaccinated, Pfizer, little to no side effects unlike the Shingles (Shringrax) vaccine I got last year which leveled me.

Anyone more afraid of the vaccine than COVID has other issues in my opinion.


Would you extend that opinion to a parent who's reluctant to let their child get jabbed?  We know the Chinese flu, statistically speaking, is not a threat to children.  Should they still get a novel vaccine with no data on long-term effects? 

Children under 16 aren't even eligible.  They need to do more testing.  Anyone would be crazy to give it to a child based on what we currently know.  I'm not sure if anyone is even arguing otherwise except the most extremist nuts.  This and the HPV vaccine, which is fairly new (but still around for years) and has been stopped in Europe, are the two right now that I wouldn't have my son get.


https://www.today.com/parents/los-angeles-schools-may-require-covid-19-vaccine-students-t205633

And if we've learned anything in the past year, once the camel's nose is under the tent...

I mentioned this yesterday because you can see the MSM beginning to put this spin out there.  Kids are now, supposedly, "susceptible" to the UK Variant.  Yesterday, GMA had a blurb about a daycare facility in Wisconsin where 20 kids all came down with Covid.  So, as much as I want to believe that this entire thing isn't some kind of government plot, you can see where this is going.  They're going to require everyone to get the damn shot now.  I don't care as much.  I'm done having kids and my body's  probably already fucked up enough from eating Stouffer's TV dinners and Hostess fruit pies for my entire childhood.  I'm not a fan of seeing kids required to get this.
Instead of just throwing numbers at us, the media should be providing us with useful information such as: How many of those 20 kids had serious symptoms? Any hospitalizations or deaths? Or were they asymptomatic or merely had flu-like symptoms that resolved in a couple days?

You can find COVID hospitalization/death data easily but it is much harder to find data on multi-inflammatory system (MIS-c) issues in children from COVID. When COVID first hit, there was talk about this mysterious illness that affected some children but then it dropped out of the headlines. That is the info that I need to make an informed decision about vaccinating my kid. Given that only 10 kids in my entire state (nearly all with some sort of underlting medical condition) under the age of 19 have died, I don't feel compelled to vaccinate my kid but that could change if there was compelling data about MIS-c and rates of long-term illness in children following COVID infection.


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Instead of just throwing numbers at us, the media should be providing us with useful information such as: How many of those 20 kids had serious symptoms? Any hospitalizations or deaths? Or were they asymptomatic or merely had flu-like symptoms that resolved in a couple days?

You can find COVID hospitalization/death data easily but it is much harder to find data on multi-inflammatory system (MIS-c) issues in children from COVID. When COVID first hit, there was talk about this mysterious illness that affected some children but then it dropped out of the headlines. That is the info that I need to make an informed decision about vaccinating my kid. Given that only 10 kids in my entire state (nearly all with some sort of underlting medical condition) under the age of 19 have died, I don't feel compelled to vaccinate my kid but that could change if there was compelling data about MIS-c and rates of long-term illness in children following COVID infection.




Exactly.  When the UK variant first made headlines around the Christmas holidays, there was an initial hue and cry that it was more dangerous to kids, that they acquired it more easily and that the effects were worse.  It only lasted a day or two because several NIH officials came out and said that no, there had not been an uptick in children's illnesses.  And since the UK variant came on the scene, the overall numbers in the United Kingdom have gone down substantially.  We saw the same thing here last spring when there was a brief hysteria -- Gov. Cuomo pushed it -- over Kawasaki syndrome.  It turned out that incidences of Kawasaki syndrome were entirely in line with the seasonal flu.  
The CDC's numbers for all of 2020 state that there were only 8 deaths under the age of 18 in which Covid was the only factor.  In light of that, there's no justification to mandate vaccination.   

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7014e2.htm?s_cid=mm7014e2_x

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I got COVID back in December . Same time as my wife. I had four days of mostly fatigue and aches with a an occasional fever. I have lived through worse. The Mrs. lost her sense of taste and smell for a bit and it seemed to knock her down even worse.

I have no desire to get the vaccine. However, the university I work for is pressure staff and students to get it. In fact, the president scolded the entire community in an email a few days ago about having to get the vaccine if you wan t to get back to normal. This was after her basically encouraging everyone to rat on everyone else who wasn't practicing all the necessary precautions during the holidays. It was a lousy act of leadership IMO.

We just bought a house last month and I am no position to lose my job right now. I am getting the first shot next week just because I am so damn over this shitstorm surrounding COVID that I don't want to risk my job.

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cheapseats wrote: I got COVID back in December . Same time as my wife. I had four days of mostly fatigue and aches with a an occasional fever. I have lived through worse. The Mrs. lost her sense of taste and smell for a bit and it seemed to knock her down even worse.

I have no desire to get the vaccine. However, the university I work for is pressure staff and students to get it. In fact, the president scolded the entire community in an email a few days ago about having to get the vaccine if you wan t to get back to normal. This was after her basically encouraging everyone to rat on everyone else who wasn't practicing all the necessary precautions during the holidays. It was a lousy act of leadership IMO.

We just bought a house last month and I am no position to lose my job right now. I am getting the first shot next week just because I am so damn over this shitstorm surrounding COVID that I don't want to risk my job.


Forcing the vaccination on someone who has already recovered from Covid is a bizarre development.  Why would you need a vaccine when your body is already doing what the vaccine is alleged to do?  Studies have already demonstrated that long-term immunity is developed after a bout of the illness.  How long that lasts is obviously unknown, but it it's anything like previous respiratory illnesses, for some it lasts a lifetime.  

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Big Garea Fan wrote: Blazer wrote: KGB wrote: srossi wrote: KGB wrote: retroken wrote: fully vaccinated, Pfizer, little to no side effects unlike the Shingles (Shringrax) vaccine I got last year which leveled me.

Anyone more afraid of the vaccine than COVID has other issues in my opinion.


Would you extend that opinion to a parent who's reluctant to let their child get jabbed?  We know the Chinese flu, statistically speaking, is not a threat to children.  Should they still get a novel vaccine with no data on long-term effects? 

Children under 16 aren't even eligible.  They need to do more testing.  Anyone would be crazy to give it to a child based on what we currently know.  I'm not sure if anyone is even arguing otherwise except the most extremist nuts.  This and the HPV vaccine, which is fairly new (but still around for years) and has been stopped in Europe, are the two right now that I wouldn't have my son get.


https://www.today.com/parents/los-angeles-schools-may-require-covid-19-vaccine-students-t205633

And if we've learned anything in the past year, once the camel's nose is under the tent...

I mentioned this yesterday because you can see the MSM beginning to put this spin out there.  Kids are now, supposedly, "susceptible" to the UK Variant.  Yesterday, GMA had a blurb about a daycare facility in Wisconsin where 20 kids all came down with Covid.  So, as much as I want to believe that this entire thing isn't some kind of government plot, you can see where this is going.  They're going to require everyone to get the damn shot now.  I don't care as much.  I'm done having kids and my body's  probably already fucked up enough from eating Stouffer's TV dinners and Hostess fruit pies for my entire childhood.  I'm not a fan of seeing kids required to get this.
Instead of just throwing numbers at us, the media should be providing us with useful information such as: How many of those 20 kids had serious symptoms? Any hospitalizations or deaths? Or were they asymptomatic or merely had flu-like symptoms that resolved in a couple days?

You can find COVID hospitalization/death data easily but it is much harder to find data on multi-inflammatory system (MIS-c) issues in children from COVID. When COVID first hit, there was talk about this mysterious illness that affected some children but then it dropped out of the headlines. That is the info that I need to make an informed decision about vaccinating my kid. Given that only 10 kids in my entire state (nearly all with some sort of underlting medical condition) under the age of 19 have died, I don't feel compelled to vaccinate my kid but that could change if there was compelling data about MIS-c and rates of long-term illness in children following COVID infection.



This is all spot on. 

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So, is the general consensus that people feel the effects of the shot the day after receiving it? I had my first dose last Monday. I was fine all week. Then yesterday (Sunday) I was pretty much knocked on my ass. I had that weird tingling feeling through my entire body that you get right before a major cold is coming on or right after. I haven’t really been “sick” in years. I just kinda dozed on the couch all afternoon with no appetite, but man did that suck. I’m much better today. Not sure what else could have caused that though.

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CDC stopping JJ due to cases of blood clot

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krazykid18 wrote: https://www.cnn.com/2021/04/13/health/johnson-vaccine-pause-cdc-fda/index.html

CDC stopping JJ due to cases of blood clot

Well they knew that before they started distributing it and told people not to worry about it.  Everyone who criticizes the CDC is accused of being a Trump-supporting racist conspiracy theory anti-vax lunatic, but that doesn't account for the fact that the CDC is just flat-out wrong ALL OF THE TIME.  It was reckless to allow the so many people to get the J&J vaccine knowing the problem from the beginning, and of course this will only embolden the real anti-vaxers and cause those on the fence to not get vaccinated now. 

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srossi wrote: krazykid18 wrote: https://www.cnn.com/2021/04/13/health/johnson-vaccine-pause-cdc-fda/index.html

CDC stopping JJ due to cases of blood clot

Well they knew that before they started distributing it and told people not to worry about it.  Everyone who criticizes the CDC is accused of being a Trump-supporting racist conspiracy theory anti-vax lunatic, but that doesn't account for the fact that the CDC is just flat-out wrong ALL OF THE TIME.  It was reckless to allow the so many people to get the J&J vaccine knowing the problem from the beginning, and of course this will only embolden the real anti-vaxers and cause those on the fence to not get vaccinated now. 

Well, I'm regretting taking it today that's for sure...

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Well they knew that before they started distributing it and told people not to worry about it... 

They did? For the J&J vaccine? I know that blood clots have been a major issue with the AstraZeneca vaccine in Europe but this is the first I have heard of the J&J vaccine having an issue.

Only having 6 reported cases out of more than 6.8 million doses given is a pretty good batting average - that is less than 1 in a million. Of course, the number of blood clot cases could be under-reported.

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Only having 6 reported cases out of more than 6.8 million doses given is a pretty good batting average - that is less than 1 in a million. Of course, the number of blood clot cases could be under-reported.

To be fair you have a pretty good bating average of NOT dying from Covid too..

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Married Jo wrote: Big Garea Fan wrote:
Only having 6 reported cases out of more than 6.8 million doses given is a pretty good batting average - that is less than 1 in a million. Of course, the number of blood clot cases could be under-reported.

To be fair you have a pretty good bating average of NOT dying from Covid too..
True. I am wondering what the averages for hospitalizations related to COVID and long-term complications resulting from COVID infections are.

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The blood clot thing is not an issue. It's background noise. In Britain, you'd expect more people to get blood clots just from general annual averages than have got it after taking the AZ vaccine. But they're being extra leery after cretins like Macron and von der Leyen started badmouthing AZ to cover up the fact that they had monumentally fucked up their own policies.

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I got COVID a week and a half after getting my first shot.

I had an incredibly mild case.

After seeing a family member die, having a couple of close friends and family get some relatively tough cases of COVID I am thankful. I also think the vaccine helped mitigate the symptoms.

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A fairly well researched article on why this person won't get any of the vaccines.  Some may find the bits about Fauci border on conspiracy theories, others may think they're valid points that need answering   But ultimately, he raises some very level-headed points about these vaccines that shouldn't be dismissed out of hand.  

https://www.deconstructingconventional.com/post/18-reason-i-won-t-be-getting-a-covid-vaccine

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Only having 6 reported cases out of more than 6.8 million doses given is a pretty good batting average - that is less than 1 in a million. Of course, the number of blood clot cases could be under-reported.

To be fair you have a pretty good bating average of NOT dying from Covid too..


I think it is situation dependant. For the average person, the potential for contact with symptomatic individuals is going to be a lot less than for me. I have some 87 year old with a productive cough hacking all over the room every shift. Multiply that by 2-3 other patients over the weekend, by 50 weekends a year, my contact with some droplets, even with precautions is going to be higher at some point than the average joe. 

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Only having 6 reported cases out of more than 6.8 million doses given is a pretty good batting average - that is less than 1 in a million. Of course, the number of blood clot cases could be under-reported.

To be fair you have a pretty good bating average of NOT dying from Covid too..


I think it is situation dependant. For the average person, the potential for contact with symptomatic individuals is going to be a lot less than for me. I have some 87 year old with a productive cough hacking all over the room every shift. Multiply that by 2-3 other patients over the weekend, by 50 weekends a year, my contact with some droplets, even with precautions is going to be higher at some point than the average joe. 

There's no doubt you're more likely to get it.  I don't even see how you could NOT get it in your situation.  It would take a miracle, even after vaccination since that's not supposed to prevent you from getting it, it only makes your symptoms milder (unless they changed their minds on that again).  But your chances of dying from it still seem very low.

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srossi wrote:   But your chances of dying from it still seem very low.

Man...I don't know. Here in Maryland, we have had approximately 20 people dying per day for the past month and the hospitalizations keep climbing. This is even with warm weather and the most fragile people having been vaccinated. I would expect the deaths and hospitalizations to go down but they keep going up.

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I've been healthier the last year, well since just before COVID than I was before, when I'd get the "flu" we all know and hate, which seems to be eradicated as well as multiple colds at different times of the year.

Our exposure to people out in the country is more limited with only 2 trips into the city a week typically so I'm going to wait until more data is in.

Research and testing on vaccines and new drugs was far more extensive pre COVID IMO but this to me has all been quite rushed. We are going to hold off for the time being.

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Angelic Assassin wrote: Research and testing on vaccines and new drugs was far more extensive pre COVID IMO but this to me has all been quite rushed. We are going to hold off for the time being.
It's either what you say about it all being rushed OR they've been able to turnaround vaccines and other meds this fast all along and have been milking turnaround time on creating them for the $$.
Both scenarios are quite feasible to me so it's probably a combo of both.

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khawk wrote: Angelic Assassin wrote: Research and testing on vaccines and new drugs was far more extensive pre COVID IMO but this to me has all been quite rushed. We are going to hold off for the time being.
It's either what you say about it all being rushed OR they've been able to turnaround vaccines and other meds this fast all along and have been milking turnaround time on creating them for the $$.
Both scenarios are quite feasible to me so it's probably a combo of both.


You have a point there. The general populace has likely never been told the whole unadulterated truth about anything. 

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khawk wrote: Angelic Assassin wrote: Research and testing on vaccines and new drugs was far more extensive pre COVID IMO but this to me has all been quite rushed. We are going to hold off for the time being.
It's either what you say about it all being rushed OR they've been able to turnaround vaccines and other meds this fast all along and have been milking turnaround time on creating them for the $$.
Both scenarios are quite feasible to me so it's probably a combo of both.

I think you are correct, khawk.


It has been shown that the research for the Caronavirus was quite extensive before covid-19. They needed the truckload of $$$$ to invest into the research to come up with the testing, technology and the vaccine.  
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Papa Voo wrote: khawk wrote: Angelic Assassin wrote: Research and testing on vaccines and new drugs was far more extensive pre COVID IMO but this to me has all been quite rushed. We are going to hold off for the time being.
It's either what you say about it all being rushed OR they've been able to turnaround vaccines and other meds this fast all along and have been milking turnaround time on creating them for the $$.
Both scenarios are quite feasible to me so it's probably a combo of both.

I think you are correct, khawk.


It has been shown that the research for the Caronavirus was quite extensive before covid-19. They needed the truckload of $$$$ to invest into the research to come up with the testing, technology and the vaccine.  
This base if this virus is not new. 


Work on coronavirus vaccines and work on mRNA vaccines has been going on for quite some time, so it's not like they started from scratch.  Still, it's interesting that they made some kind of miracle breakthrough at exactly the moment our rulers said we needed one.  

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KGB wrote: Papa Voo wrote: khawk wrote: Angelic Assassin wrote: Research and testing on vaccines and new drugs was far more extensive pre COVID IMO but this to me has all been quite rushed. We are going to hold off for the time being.
It's either what you say about it all being rushed OR they've been able to turnaround vaccines and other meds this fast all along and have been milking turnaround time on creating them for the $$.
Both scenarios are quite feasible to me so it's probably a combo of both.

I think you are correct, khawk.


It has been shown that the research for the Caronavirus was quite extensive before covid-19. They needed the truckload of $$$$ to invest into the research to come up with the testing, technology and the vaccine.  
This base if this virus is not new. 


Work on coronavirus vaccines and work on mRNA vaccines has been going on for quite some time, so it's not like they started from scratch.  Still, it's interesting that they made some kind of miracle breakthrough at exactly the moment our rulers said we needed one.  

The first vaccine trials were administered in March of 2020.  The first time I heard about Covid on the news starting to wipe out Asia was in mid-January of 2020.  So, you have to think the work on developing the vaccine was suspiciously (or coincidentally) well under way.  This isn't something that could have been developed and administered here in the States in less than two months.  I'm not sure that's ever been fully explained.  

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Work on coronavirus vaccines and work on mRNA vaccines has been going on for quite some time, so it's not like they started from scratch.  Still, it's interesting that they made some kind of miracle breakthrough at exactly the moment our rulers said we needed one.  Yeah I kind of figured work on vaccines of all sorts are ongoing, but I am also sure that they didn't work as fast as they could to get their work to the testing stage before a covid vaccine became imperative.
Besides, if they can get covid under control through these vaccines, they can go back to slow-rolling the system  developing other vaccines that much faster. Plus you know they governments are paying through the nose for "expedited" service for the covid vaccines.
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Refusing the vaccine is becoming less of an option for people as employers, colleges, and other places are requiring proof of vaccination for admission or condition of employment. I predict that at least 50% of US colleges and universities will require students to be vaccinated for the fall semester. The University System of Maryland just made this mandate and several other university systems in the US have already mandated mandatory vaccinations as well.

Good move or government overreach?

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Feeling the affects of that second dose big time today. No nausea, and I wouldn’t consider myself sick. I’m just completely tired and achy. I’ve been working all day from home, but I just want to take a nap so badly. I feel like I ran a marathon yesterday. I did sleep pretty well- got eight hours, but I’m still wiped out.

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Feeling better today, buy I was wiped out yesterday. Had the chills, body ached like hell, just needed sleep. I wasn't in any condition to do anything remotely helpful around the house last night, wife said to kid "daddy's just faking.". I'm like, "GET OUT!". Wife had her 2nd shot yesterday morning. I go upstairs later and she's laid out. I ask her what's wrong. She said she had the chills and couldn't move. I told her she was "faking".

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Blazer wrote: Feeling better today, buy I was wiped out yesterday. Had the chills, body ached like hell, just needed sleep. I wasn't in any condition to do anything remotely helpful around the house last night, wife said to kid "daddy's just faking.". I'm like, "GET OUT!". Wife had her 2nd shot yesterday morning. I go upstairs later and she's laid out. I ask her what's wrong. She said she had the chills and couldn't move. I told her she was "faking".

LOL!

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Angelic Assassin wrote: Blazer wrote: Feeling better today, buy I was wiped out yesterday. Had the chills, body ached like hell, just needed sleep. I wasn't in any condition to do anything remotely helpful around the house last night, wife said to kid "daddy's just faking.". I'm like, "GET OUT!". Wife had her 2nd shot yesterday morning. I go upstairs later and she's laid out. I ask her what's wrong. She said she had the chills and couldn't move. I told her she was "faking".

LOL!

As you should’ve!!!  Serves her right!

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Blazer wrote: Feeling better today, buy I was wiped out yesterday. Had the chills, body ached like hell, just needed sleep. I wasn't in any condition to do anything remotely helpful around the house last night, wife said to kid "daddy's just faking.". I'm like, "GET OUT!". Wife had her 2nd shot yesterday morning. I go upstairs later and she's laid out. I ask her what's wrong. She said she had the chills and couldn't move. I told her she was "faking".Living this right now, complete with the faking accusations

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A lot of Republicans and Trump fans are refusing. He should be telling them to get it. Instead he is still talking about a rigged election. 

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Spatulapup wrote: A lot of Republicans and Trump fans are refusing. He should be telling them to get it. Instead he is still talking about a rigged election. 

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I would like to know why the hell people would turn it down, after spending a year getting bounced around not able to do much, no entertainment options available, travel at a standstill, and having to fistfight a 90 year old for the last roll of toilet paper. Are you afraid the vaccine will make it so you lose the fistfight with the 90 year old? I got both shots, Pfizer. The first one made me dead tired about 45 minutes after getting it. The next day I was fine. Second shot I was fine for exactly 12 hours. Then I woke up with chills, sweats, aches all over. At 7 I took my battered ass to the store and bought Tylenol fast release gels and within 40 minutes I felt a ton better. So I went to sleep, got up at 11:30, took more Tylenol and started working. Lucky for me, I'm still working from home. We may find out that's ending at a company wide meeting tomorrow.

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Superstar wrote: I would like to know why the hell people would turn it down, after spending a year getting bounced around not able to do much, no entertainment options available, travel at a standstill, and having to fistfight a 90 year old for the last roll of toilet paper. Are you afraid the vaccine will make it so you lose the fistfight with the 90 year old? I got both shots, Pfizer. The first one made me dead tired about 45 minutes after getting it. The next day I was fine. Second shot I was fine for exactly 12 hours. Then I woke up with chills, sweats, aches all over. At 7 I took my battered ass to the store and bought Tylenol fast release gels and within 40 minutes I felt a ton better. So I went to sleep, got up at 11:30, took more Tylenol and started working. Lucky for me, I'm still working from home. We may find out that's ending at a company wide meeting tomorrow.

Id like to wait and see a few more months of data. 

Not the same i know but ive never had a flu shot 

My life really hasn't changed outside of wearing a mask inside the store and until i sit down at a restaurant. 

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Franchise wrote: Superstar wrote: I would like to know why the hell people would turn it down, after spending a year getting bounced around not able to do much, no entertainment options available, travel at a standstill, and having to fistfight a 90 year old for the last roll of toilet paper. Are you afraid the vaccine will make it so you lose the fistfight with the 90 year old? I got both shots, Pfizer. The first one made me dead tired about 45 minutes after getting it. The next day I was fine. Second shot I was fine for exactly 12 hours. Then I woke up with chills, sweats, aches all over. At 7 I took my battered ass to the store and bought Tylenol fast release gels and within 40 minutes I felt a ton better. So I went to sleep, got up at 11:30, took more Tylenol and started working. Lucky for me, I'm still working from home. We may find out that's ending at a company wide meeting tomorrow.

Id like to wait and see a few more months of data. 

Not the same i know but ive never had a flu shot 

My life really hasn't changed outside of wearing a mask inside the store and until i sit down at a restaurant.
I have no issue with somebody wanting to be safe.  Also with you saying you've never had a flu shot, I can see why you'd hesitate.  But let me put it this way - what happens if you are "the one".  The odds of you getting covid are higher than the odds of you getting sick or worse with the vaccine.  Let's say you are "that guy" that really has no underlying conditions yet contracts such a severe case of covid that you die.  Where does that leave your family.  That's the point I am trying to make with getting vaccinated - if I was just a single guy that had no living parents and was just doing my own thing, I would not care too much about things.  But my parents are 85, and I don't want to get them sick and kill them.  And if I get sick and die, my wife is all alone, my dog would be really upset, and my kids are adults now but still would be really gutted if I died.  So I figured if the odds are one in a million or more that the vaccine would kill you, it wasn't so risky.  If I had won the lottery at one point in my life I may think differently, but those odds are so high that I just don't worry that they will get me.  But also - you aren't refusing a shot, you simply want to wait to get more info.  Good luck with getting the info that you want.  Also I never wanted a flu shot until I saw my wife get the flu.  If I hadn't gotten her to the doctor when I did, she wouldn't have been able to take the tamiflu.  With tamiflu, she was bedridden for five full days, but on the sixth day she was able to be up and around.  They said without it, she was looking at 10-14 days of really bad illness.  This was 2018 and I haven't missed a shot since.

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Married Jo wrote: Well, Jan had her second Moderna shot Thursday and got sicker with it than the first one, which as I've said before, almost got me to take her to the emergency room. She said that's it for her, she won't take it again if it's a yearly thing and honestly, I can't blame her..The part I don't know is - now you've gotten Moderna.  Does the booster also have to be Moderna?  And with a booster shot, do you think it's going to be anywhere near as harsh as us getting shots now? Because my doctor said if you have a massive reaction to either shot, it more than likely means you had COVID but were asymptomatic and your system is reacting accordingly.  I don't know if that's fact, or just more bullshit, but I can't imagine that the boosters are going to be two part shots, nor have anywhere near as much of an impact on the body.  I would think they will be more like flu shots -  and you may have a rough few hours the day after.  But if what you are saying is true that the sickness almost got you to go to the ER, I would think that Jan may have some sort of allergy to it.  My son and my wife both had to sit for 30 minutes instead of 15 because they are allergic to penicillin.

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The first one like I said with her was so bad I almost took her to the hospital. She was told then by the CDC (who she tried to contact for almost a week before someone got back to her) and her doctor if she had it that bad with the first one, her second one should be much less complicated. It was worse with the only difference being she wasn't throwing up this time. She took it at noon on a Thursday, that Sat I got her out of the house for a while and walking out to the truck she got dizzy and almost fell down. It was Monday before she started feeling normal again. So she got the shot and had 2 days where she felt like death and another 4-5 where she felt sick like she was coming off the flu. She's 48 and fit and healthy, looking at the odds she's much better off never taking any vaccine again and just taking her chances with covid IF she gets it..

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Pfizer says FDA could authorize its COVID vaccine for 12 to 15 year olds next week. We have been waiting for this at our house. Even though my wife and I have been vaccinated, we have still been living life under lockdown since we are concerned about getting COVID and passing it to our 12 year-old son.


I suspect that a lot of households where the adults have been vaccinated will refuse getting their children vaccinated though due to the newness and lack of long-term safety data of the vaccine. To be honest, this has been one of the hardest decisions that I have had to make about my child since he was born and I am still not 100% decided.

https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2021/05/04/993519402/pfizer-says-fda-will-soon-authorize-covid-19-vaccine-for-12-15-age-group


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Even after googling, I'm still not sure if alcohol affects the efficacy of the vaccine or not.
I drank  a few days after each shot. I'll let you guys know if I get covid anytime soon.

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I drank  a few days after each shot. I'll let you guys know if I get covid anytime soon.

I haven’t heard anyone advise against drinking. I never even thought of that. I got my 2nd Pfizer shot today, but I drank last night so taking tonight off. 

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They told a co-worker that drinking could magnify the side effects after a shot, because heavy alcohol use could impact immune system. Alcohol would have no impact on the actual efficacy of vaccine.


They tell you too keep hydrated the hours and night after the shot. Heavy drinking dehydrates a person so maybe that would be the reason on side effects. 

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