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BROOKLYN CENTER, MINN. -- The police officer who fatally shot a Black man during a traffic stop in a Minneapolis suburb apparently intended to fire a Taser, not a handgun, as the man struggled with police, the city's police chief said Monday, as police clashed with protesters for the second night in a row.
Brooklyn Center Police Chief Tim Gannon described the shooting death Sunday of 20-year-old Daunte Wright as "an accidental discharge." It happened as police were trying to arrest Wright on an outstanding warrant. The shooting sparked protests and unrest in a metropolitan area already on edge because of the trial of the first of four police officers charged in George Floyd's death.
"I'll Tase you! I'll Tase you! Taser! Taser! Taser!" the officer is heard shouting on her body cam footage released at a news conference. She draws her weapon after the man breaks free from police outside his car and gets back behind the wheel.


After firing a single shot from her handgun, the car speeds away, and the officer is heard saying, "Holy (expletive)! I shot him."
Crowds began gathering outside the the Brooklyn Center police station late Monday afternoon, with hundreds there by nightfall despite the governor's dusk-to-dawn curfew. A drum beat incessantly, and the crowd broke into frequent chants of "Daunte Wright!" Some shouted obscenities at officers.
About 90 minutes after the curfew deadline, police began firing gas canisters and flash-bang grenades, sending clouds wafting over the crowd and chasing some away. Some protesters picked up smoke canisters and threw them back toward police. Others shot fireworks toward police lines. A long line of police in riot gear, rhythmically pushing their clubs in front of them, began slowly forcing back the remaining crowds.
"Move back!" the police chanted. "Hands up! Don't shoot!" the crowd chanted back.
Law enforcement agencies had stepped up their presence across the Minneapolis area after the Sunday night violence. The number of Minnesota National Guard troops was expected to more than double to over 1,000 by Monday night.
Brooklyn Center Mayor Mike Elliott called the shooting "deeply tragic" and said the officer should be fired.
"We cannot afford to make mistakes that lead to the loss of life of other people," he said. "We're going to do everything we can to ensure that justice is done and our communities are made whole."
Elliott later announced that the city council had voted to give his office "command authority" over the police department.
This "will streamline things and establish a chain of command and leadership," he wrote on Twitter. He also said the city manager had been fired, and that the deputy city manager would take over his duties.
The reason behind the firing was not immediately clear, but the city manager controls the police department, according to the city's charter. Now-former City Manager Curt Boganey, speaking earlier to reporters, said the officer who shot Wright would get "due process" after the shooting.
"All employees working for the city of Brooklyn Center are entitled to due process with respect to discipline," he said.
Brooklyn Center is a modest suburb just north of Minneapolis that has seen its demographics shift dramatically in recent years. In 2000, more than 70% of the city was white. Today, a majority of residents are Black, Asian or Latino.
Elliott, the city's first Black mayor, immigrated from Liberia as a child.
Organizers from the Movement for Black Lives, a national coalition of more than 150 Black-led political and advocacy groups, pointed to Wright's killing as yet another reason why cities must take up proposals for defunding an "irreparably broken, racist system."
"The fact that police killed him just miles from where they murdered George Floyd last year is a slap in the face to an entire community," said Karissa Lewis, the coalition's national field director.
The body camera footage showed three officers around a stopped car, which authorities said was pulled over because it had expired registration tags. When another officer attempts to handcuff Wright, a second officer tells him he's being arrested on a warrant. That's when the struggle begins, followed by the shooting. Then the car travels several blocks before striking another vehicle.
It "is my belief that the officer had the intention to deploy their Taser but instead shot Mr. Wright with a single bullet," Gannon said. "This appears to me from what I viewed and the officer's reaction in distress immediately after that this was an accidental discharge that resulted in the tragic death of Mr. Wright."
Wright died of a gunshot wound to the chest, the Hennepin County Medical Examiner's office said in a statement.
A female passenger sustained non-life-threatening injuries during the crash, authorities said. Wright's mother, Katie Wright, said that passenger was her son's girlfriend.
The state Bureau of Criminal Apprehension, which is investigating the shooting, identified the officer as Kim Potter, a 26-year veteran who has been placed on administrative leave.
Gannon would not say whether she would be fired.
"I think we can watch the video and ascertain whether she will be returning," the chief said.
Court records show Wright was being sought after failing to appear in court on charges that he fled from officers and possessed a gun without a permit during an encounter with Minneapolis police in June.
Wright's mother said her son called her as he was getting pulled over.
During the call, she said she heard scuffling and then someone saying "Daunte, don't run" before the call ended. When she called back, her son's girlfriend answered and said he had been shot.
His brother, Dallas Bryant, told about a hundred people gathered for a candlelight vigil Monday evening that Wright sounded scared during the phone call, and questioned how the officer could accidentally reach for a gun instead of a Taser.
"You know the difference between plastic and metal. We all know it," he said.
President Joe Biden urged calm after watching the body camera footage.
"We do know that the anger, pain and trauma amidst the Black community is real," Biden said from the Oval Office. But that "does not justify violence and looting."
Demonstrators began to gather shortly after the shooting, with some jumping atop police cars. Marchers also descended on the city's police headquarters, throwing rocks and other objects. About 20 businesses were broken into at the city's Shingle Creek shopping centre, authorities said.
At least a half-dozen businesses were boarding up their windows along Minneapolis' Lake Street, the scene of some of the most intense violence after Floyd's death. National Guard vehicles were deployed to a few major intersections. Several professional sports teams in Minneapolis called off games because of safety concerns.
The trial of Derek Chauvin, the former Minneapolis officer charged in Floyd's death, continued Monday. Floyd, a Black man, died May 25 after Chauvin, who is white, pressed his knee against Floyd's neck. Prosecutors say Floyd was pinned for 9 minutes, 29 seconds. The judge in that case refused Monday to sequester the jury after a defence attorney argued that the panel could be influenced by the prospect of what might happen as a result of their verdict.






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I wonder if it being a female officer that pulled the trigger will have any impact on public perception outside of the black community?

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This one actually does seem like pure incompetence.  The bitch is screaming "Taser" and clearly seems to be giving a warning for a taser, then in absolute panic fires her gun.  I'm not exactly sure how that happens since they must feel much different and have different triggers, but I could never be as dumb and cowardly as a cop so I can't imagine the thought processes in those pea brains.  I think she legitimately made a mistake because I don't see what the benefit to her would be for shouting taser and then firing a gun.  She would've been better off just shooting him, but by doing it the way she did there's more attention on the fact that there was a fuck up.  This is manslaughter, period, and she needs to do real jail time as anyone else who made a recklessly fatal error would.

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srossi wrote: This one actually does seem like pure incompetence.  The bitch is screaming "Taser" and clearly seems to be giving a warning for a taser, then in absolute panic fires her gun.  I'm not exactly sure how that happens since they must feel much different and have different triggers, but I could never be as dumb and cowardly as a cop so I can't imagine the thought processes in those pea brains.  I think she legitimately made a mistake because I don't see what the benefit to her would be for shouting taser and then firing a gun.  She would've been better off just shooting him, but by doing it the way she did there's more attention on it.  This is manslaughter, period, and she needs to do real jail time as anyone else who made a recklessly fatal error would.


For some reason, this story keeps making me think of United Airline's pledge to have 50% of its pilot trainees be women and POC.  

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The bitch was a "training officer" also. It boggles my mind that every single day you can find a story like this. Why the fuck are these assholes in such a constant state of paralyzing fear? Being she's a female, hopefully if this ever goes to trial she can hug it out with the judge just like Officer Amber did after she murdered that guy in his living room.

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Ok so now let me go the other way. Last night Aaron Hicks pulled himself out of the starting lineup for the Yankees because he was so upset by this. He makes $10 million a year, or $62,000 a game. This would be the equivalent of any middle class person refusing to go to work for a year, or any of the people in the demo who usually get shot by cops refusing to work for almost 3 years. It must be nice to be that distraught. Fire and prosecute these fucking cops and fire these fucking grandstanding athletes. Kaepernick actually played his games after the national anthem. This is ridiculous.

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If you are a Black man and you get pulled over by a cop there is a chance you will be killed. It's pathetic. 

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Spatulapup wrote: If you are a Black man and you get pulled over by a cop there is a chance you will be killed. It's pathetic. 
If you’re anyone and you get pulled over by a cop, there’s a chance you’ll be killed. Black men tend to get pulled over more often than other demos. But both issues are problems. 

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When you only need a HS diploma to become a cop (at least here in KC) it's not hard to figure out why so many are incompetent. I'm not sure who are more useless based on my direct interactions, cops or border guards.

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srossi wrote: Spatulapup wrote: If you are a Black man and you get pulled over by a cop there is a chance you will be killed. It's pathetic. 
If you’re anyone and you get pulled over by a cop, there’s a chance you’ll be killed. Black men tend to get pulled over more often than other demos. But both issues are problems. 

If you’re pulled over and arrested and then resist, fight, or try to escape, your chances of getting killed are multiplied significantly as well.  That’s not meant as a boot licker comment, but how many of these things go sideways because of some kind of fight? 
To me, that’s like the ingredient in all of this that needs to be corrected.  

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Cop shoots black man resisting arrest. Cue the looting of stores as a form of protest.


Just another excuse for savage animals to run amok in the streets.


While Daunte Wright did not deserve to die it is yet another example where someone being arrested would still be alive had they not chosen to take the stupid route and try and get away.

Comply, don't die.

And as usual the media are doing their level best to shape the incident to suit their narrative. This was not simply over expired tags. He was being taken into custody because a check of his name showed that he had an outstanding warrant out for him. For what crime I don't believe was mentioned but that was at the point where he was removed from the vehicle and was in the process of being handcuffed when his superior intellect took over and he decided to resist.

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WongLee wrote: The bitch was a "training officer" also. It boggles my mind that every single day you can find a story like this. Why the fuck are these assholes in such a constant state of paralyzing fear? Being she's a female, hopefully if this ever goes to trial she can hug it out with the judge just like Officer Amber did after she murdered that guy in his living room.

Women shouldn't be beat cops period.  They're more prone to rash decisions, overreaction out of fear, and being overwhelmed and disarmed by perps.  But yeah, let's pretend the average woman is like those comic book movies where the stunning and brave female kicks the ass of a half-dozen men.  

Situations like this continue to prove that you can only ignore biological reality for so long until it slaps you in the face.  Hard.   

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And as usual the media are doing their level best to shape the incident to suit their narrative. This was not simply over expired tags. He was being taken into custody because a check of his name showed that he had an outstanding warrant out for him. For what crime I don't believe was mentioned but that was at the point where he was removed from the vehicle and was in the process of being handcuffed when his superior intellect took over and he decided to resist.
The warrant was for a marijuana violation and I believe the fine was around $300 so he asked to be put on a pay plan. If that doesn't deserve a street execution nothing does. I'm tired of these marihuana injectors running amok on my streets where there are CHILDREN around.

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WongLee wrote: Angelic Assassin wrote:
And as usual the media are doing their level best to shape the incident to suit their narrative. This was not simply over expired tags. He was being taken into custody because a check of his name showed that he had an outstanding warrant out for him. For what crime I don't believe was mentioned but that was at the point where he was removed from the vehicle and was in the process of being handcuffed when his superior intellect took over and he decided to resist.
The warrant was for a marijuana violation and I believe the fine was around $300 so he asked to be put on a pay plan. If that doesn't deserve a street execution nothing does. I'm tired of these marihuana injectors running amok on my streets where there are CHILDREN around.

That's actually not true.  The warrant was for a gun charge.  He had choked and robbed a women at gunpoint. 

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KGB wrote: WongLee wrote: The bitch was a "training officer" also. It boggles my mind that every single day you can find a story like this. Why the fuck are these assholes in such a constant state of paralyzing fear? Being she's a female, hopefully if this ever goes to trial she can hug it out with the judge just like Officer Amber did after she murdered that guy in his living room.

Women shouldn't be beat cops period.  They're more prone to rash decisions, overreaction out of fear, and being overwhelmed and disarmed by perps.  But yeah, let's pretend the average woman is like those comic book movies where the stunning and brave female kicks the ass of a half-dozen men.  

Situations like this continue to prove that you can only ignore biological reality for so long until it slaps you in the face.  Hard.  

I can't even remember women cops being involved in these situations more than 5% of the time.  I guess all those male cops who murder suspects are trans.  Leave it to KGB to intentionally give the most hilariously worst take on any incident. 

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WongLee wrote: Angelic Assassin wrote:
And as usual the media are doing their level best to shape the incident to suit their narrative. This was not simply over expired tags. He was being taken into custody because a check of his name showed that he had an outstanding warrant out for him. For what crime I don't believe was mentioned but that was at the point where he was removed from the vehicle and was in the process of being handcuffed when his superior intellect took over and he decided to resist.
The warrant was for a marijuana violation and I believe the fine was around $300 so he asked to be put on a pay plan. If that doesn't deserve a street execution nothing does. I'm tired of these marihuana injectors running amok on my streets where there are CHILDREN around.
Edit: On further research it was NOT a marijuana violation but for carrying a pistol without a permit. I want to make sure I stick to the S & W stringent journalism guidelines.

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srossi wrote: KGB wrote: WongLee wrote: The bitch was a "training officer" also. It boggles my mind that every single day you can find a story like this. Why the fuck are these assholes in such a constant state of paralyzing fear? Being she's a female, hopefully if this ever goes to trial she can hug it out with the judge just like Officer Amber did after she murdered that guy in his living room.

Women shouldn't be beat cops period.  They're more prone to rash decisions, overreaction out of fear, and being overwhelmed and disarmed by perps.  But yeah, let's pretend the average woman is like those comic book movies where the stunning and brave female kicks the ass of a half-dozen men.  

Situations like this continue to prove that you can only ignore biological reality for so long until it slaps you in the face.  Hard.  

I can't even remember women cops being involved in these situations more than 5% of the time.  I guess all those male cops who murder suspects are trans.  Leave it to KGB to intentionally give the most hilariously worst take on any incident. 


Uh oh, srossi's so wound up this morning he's even defending cops.   

Would you prefer a woman cop in this situation or a guy?  Whatever else is wrong with this incident, the fact remains that men are naturally better at some jobs and this is one of them.  Take in a handful of cop-watch videos and you'll see the women almost universally overcompensate for their physical limitations by PMS-ing and overstepping their bounds.   

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The warrant wasn't for weed.  It was for aggravated assault with a deadly weapon.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9467375/Daunte-Wright-warrant-arrest-attempted-aggravated-robbery-charges.html
https://www.scribd.com/document/502729366/12-4-Arrest#download

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Apparently her taser was yellow. How do you make that mistake? She was not a rookie. 

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Go watch the video of the US army guy harassing a black kid walking in his neighborhood in Columbia sc. White people do not go through this. It's the same with cops. There is a difference in the treatment for whites and blacks in these situations.

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Spatulapup wrote: Go watch the video of the US army guy harassing a black kid walking in his neighborhood in Columbia sc. White people do not go through this. It's the same with cops. There is a difference in the treatment for whites and blacks in these situations.WTF was wrong with this guy? An SFC E-7 and he just threw away his entire career for a harmless kid who was minding his own business. He'll get broken down to an E-4 and probably be discharged which will ruin him getting a pension. Total idiocy on his part.

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Blazer wrote: srossi wrote: Spatulapup wrote: If you are a Black man and you get pulled over by a cop there is a chance you will be killed. It's pathetic. 
If you’re anyone and you get pulled over by a cop, there’s a chance you’ll be killed. Black men tend to get pulled over more often than other demos. But both issues are problems. 

If you’re pulled over and arrested and then resist, fight, or try to escape, your chances of getting killed are multiplied significantly as well.  That’s not meant as a boot licker comment, but how many of these things go sideways because of some kind of fight? 
To me, that’s like the ingredient in all of this that needs to be corrected.  


Maybe- or maybe the dumbass cop reaches for her cuffs and accidentally grabs her gun and shoot you.
Or you could be like this guy... (Watch it until the end when the guy from the police union explains how they shot the unarmed man "to protect him.")
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/police-in-florida-shoot-caretaker-next-to-autistic-man-playing-in-the-street/

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Gotta commend KBG for trolling so hard, it's unfortunate that some dumbkopf's took the bait.

Oh and KGB: Fuck you and the horse you rode in on.
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BitterOldMan wrote: Gotta commend KBG for trolling so hard, it's unfortunate that some dumbkopf's took the bait.

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That's all I got to say


Trolling?  I was suggesting some common sense improvements to our system of law enforcement.  You're not against common sense solutions, are you?  

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Spatulapup wrote: Go watch the video of the US army guy harassing a black kid walking in his neighborhood in Columbia sc. White people do not go through this. It's the same with cops. There is a difference in the treatment for whites and blacks in these situations.

Assuming you're white, I suggest you take a stroll through certain areas of Chicongo, Detroit, Baltimore, etc. and see what white people would "go through".  

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Spatulapup wrote: Go watch the video of the US army guy harassing a black kid walking in his neighborhood in Columbia sc. White people do not go through this. It's the same with cops. There is a difference in the treatment for whites and blacks in these situations.

So wait - are you saying that white people can safely walk down any street in any black neighborhood at any time of the day or night and not worry about being harassed?  Because that's not the case in some of the Boston black neighborhoods I know.  If you're white, you don't show your face in those neighborhoods after dark.

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Qaenos wrote: Spatulapup wrote: Go watch the video of the US army guy harassing a black kid walking in his neighborhood in Columbia sc. White people do not go through this. It's the same with cops. There is a difference in the treatment for whites and blacks in these situations.

So wait - are you saying that white people can safely walk down any street in any black neighborhood at any time of the day or night and not worry about being harassed?  Because that's not the case in some of the Boston black neighborhoods I know.  If you're white, you don't show your face in those neighborhoods after dark.

This is a very nice neighborhood in the video!!! No excuse for this. You cannot compare the two. Everyone can easily be harassed in a crime filled ghetto neighborhood. Black or white. I know black friends that won't go near sketchy parts of town. 

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Spatulapup wrote: Qaenos wrote: Spatulapup wrote: Go watch the video of the US army guy harassing a black kid walking in his neighborhood in Columbia sc. White people do not go through this. It's the same with cops. There is a difference in the treatment for whites and blacks in these situations.

So wait - are you saying that white people can safely walk down any street in any black neighborhood at any time of the day or night and not worry about being harassed?  Because that's not the case in some of the Boston black neighborhoods I know.  If you're white, you don't show your face in those neighborhoods after dark.

This is a very nice neighborhood in the video!!! No excuse for this. You cannot compare the two. Everyone can easily be harassed in a crime filled ghetto neighborhood. Black or white. I know black friends that won't go near sketchy parts of town. 


Yeah, kinda strange to compare police abuse of power to walking around a bad neighborhood at 3am.  No shit one is dangerous (for anyone, including law-abiding blacks), but the other isn't supposed to be. 

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KGB wrote: Spatulapup wrote: Go watch the video of the US army guy harassing a black kid walking in his neighborhood in Columbia sc. White people do not go through this. It's the same with cops. There is a difference in the treatment for whites and blacks in these situations.

Assuming you're white, I suggest you take a stroll through certain areas of Chicongo, Detroit, Baltimore, etc. and see what white people would "go through".  
I grew up on the west side of Chicago, in a neighborhood where being white definitely left me in the minority. I witnessed houses on my block being torched in 1968, and had the National Guard patrolling the street I lived on (we were just north of Austin High School, where the Guard had their temp HQ)

Fuck off, been there done that.

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BitterOldMan wrote: KGB wrote: Spatulapup wrote: Go watch the video of the US army guy harassing a black kid walking in his neighborhood in Columbia sc. White people do not go through this. It's the same with cops. There is a difference in the treatment for whites and blacks in these situations.

Assuming you're white, I suggest you take a stroll through certain areas of Chicongo, Detroit, Baltimore, etc. and see what white people would "go through".  
I grew up on the west side of Chicago, in a neighborhood where being white definitely left me in the minority. I witnessed houses on my block being torched in 1968, and had the National Guard patrolling the street I lived on (we were just north of Austin High School, where the Guard had their temp HQ)

Fuck off, been there done that.


Apart from providing evidence to support what I said, did you have a point in writing that?

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BitterOldMan wrote: KGB wrote: Spatulapup wrote: Go watch the video of the US army guy harassing a black kid walking in his neighborhood in Columbia sc. White people do not go through this. It's the same with cops. There is a difference in the treatment for whites and blacks in these situations.

Assuming you're white, I suggest you take a stroll through certain areas of Chicongo, Detroit, Baltimore, etc. and see what white people would "go through".  
I grew up on the west side of Chicago, in a neighborhood where being white definitely left me in the minority. I witnessed houses on my block being torched in 1968, and had the National Guard patrolling the street I lived on (we were just north of Austin High School, where the Guard had their temp HQ)

Fuck off, been there done that.



You sound almost as tough as street fighter Nancy Pelosi. 

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Well now they killed a 13-year old boy while his hands were up after lying and saying he had a gun. Are they still not aware of the idea of cameras? This one is even more horrific than most.

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Assuming you're white, I suggest you take a stroll through certain areas of Chicongo, Detroit, Baltimore, etc. and see what white people would "go through". 
This shouldn't be slept on, I didn't see it until it it was in the vortex. It's a new one to me.

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srossi wrote: Well now they killed a 13-year old boy while his hands were up after lying and saying he had a gun. Are they still not aware of the idea of cameras? This one is even more horrific than most.


Video completely contradicts this post. But whatever, that doesn't matter to a fucktard like you.

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srossi wrote: Well now they killed a 13-year old boy while his hands were up after lying and saying he had a gun. Are they still not aware of the idea of cameras? This one is even more horrific than most.
It's a Chicago incident, so I'm at ground zero.  The media is twisting the fuck out of this though.

Short story: 13 year old hispanic kid is out at 2am running with a street gang.  He's run away from home twice, no dad in his life, hanging with a 21 year old.  They popped off eight rounds from a pistol at a car.  Police called.  Hispanic kid (who by the way looks like he's 20, has a mustache, tall kid) runs down alley with 9 mm pistol in his right hand the entire time.  Police yelling at him to stop.  Kid gets to a fence and slings the gun behind fence as he turns around, and the officer shoots literally a millisecond as kid raises his empty hands up. Media is all over this taking that still shot of his hands being up and plastering it all over tv trying to drum up tension, while CPD showed video clips in real time of how it happened from different camera angles.  The gun sling to hands-up time was like 0,18 seconds.

I don't even know what to say.  Should he have been shot?  No.   Is the officer guilty of misconduct?  My opinion, no.  At some point, if we're going to let criminals own the streets, then we're done.

This kid was the same age as my son, who's at home drinking hot cocoa and playing Minecraft and in bed by 10:30.  Parents got to parent.  That's the shittiest part of this.  I can't blame the kid or the police on that as much as the parents.

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I guess the question is how long the officer should have/could have waited before firing. The time is so fast between the kid stopping and the officer shooting, two points of view are valid, IMO:
1) The officer belived the kid had a gun (and according to Blazer he did basically up until he stopped), so the perp stopping and turning would have been grounds to shoot if the officer believed he was armed.
2) The officer gave the perp no time to show he did not have the gun anymore and might have been trying to just put his hands up to surrender.

If the officer waits and the kid still had the gun, the officer is the one who is dead. But at the same time it's not wrong to say he should have waited another split second to see if the kid really still had the weapon.

Complete catch-22 here to me.

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Blazer wrote: srossi wrote: Well now they killed a 13-year old boy while his hands were up after lying and saying he had a gun. Are they still not aware of the idea of cameras? This one is even more horrific than most.
It's a Chicago incident, so I'm at ground zero.  The media is twisting the fuck out of this though.

Short story: 13 year old hispanic kid is out at 2am running with a street gang.  He's run away from home twice, no dad in his life, hanging with a 21 year old.  They popped off eight rounds from a pistol at a car.  Police called.  Hispanic kid (who by the way looks like he's 20, has a mustache, tall kid) runs down alley with 9 mm pistol in his right hand the entire time.  Police yelling at him to stop.  Kid gets to a fence and slings the gun behind fence as he turns around, and the officer shoots literally a millisecond as kid raises his empty hands up. Media is all over this taking that still shot of his hands being up and plastering it all over tv trying to drum up tension, while CPD showed video clips in real time of how it happened from different camera angles.  The gun sling to hands-up time was like 0,18 seconds.

I don't even know what to say.  Should he have been shot?  No.   Is the officer guilty of misconduct?  My opinion, no.  At some point, if we're going to let criminals own the streets, then we're done.

This kid was the same age as my son, who's at home drinking hot cocoa and playing Minecraft and in bed by 10:30.  Parents got to parent.  That's the shittiest part of this.  I can't blame the kid or the police on that as much as the parents.


The people on here who rag on cops as their profession should maybe consider trying it for the day.


This bullshit that the kid didn't have a gun is bordering on the insane.  The cop had a millisecond to decide whether to shoot or be shot. The kid raising his could just as easily been him preparing to shoot at the cop.

Of course we aren't all psychic like rossi who knows all and believes this kid is completely blameless because that is the narrative that psycho cop haters use.

Cops are going in to Sunday service and pulling black and hispanic individuals out of the pews and taking them out and shooting them. Cops responded to a shots fired call and come across these two individuals fleeing the scene.

No those were good kids heading to the 7-11 for a slurpee at 3 in the morning.

Seek psychological help rossi. You need it desperately.

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khawk wrote: I guess the question is how long the officer should have/could have waited before firing. The time is so fast between the kid stopping and the officer shooting, two points of view are valid, IMO:
1) The officer belived the kid had a gun (and according to Blazer he did basically up until he stopped), so the perp stopping and turning would have been grounds to shoot if the officer believed he was armed.
2) The officer gave the perp no time to show he did not have the gun anymore and might have been trying to just put his hands up to surrender.

If the officer waits and the kid still had the gun, the officer is the one who is dead. But at the same time it's not wrong to say he should have waited another split second to see if the kid really still had the weapon.

Complete catch-22 here to me.

The public and some people here seem to think that cops should be waiting to see if they are killed before responding in any way and that any time someone is being taken into custody and they resist they should just be allowed to leave.


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khawk wrote: I guess the question is how long the officer should have/could have waited before firing. The time is so fast between the kid stopping and the officer shooting, two points of view are valid, IMO:
1) The officer belived the kid had a gun (and according to Blazer he did basically up until he stopped), so the perp stopping and turning would have been grounds to shoot if the officer believed he was armed.
2) The officer gave the perp no time to show he did not have the gun anymore and might have been trying to just put his hands up to surrender.

If the officer waits and the kid still had the gun, the officer is the one who is dead. But at the same time it's not wrong to say he should have waited another split second to see if the kid really still had the weapon.

Complete catch-22 here to me.

Just a quick comment also - police knew he had a gun, told him to "drop the fucking gun", so what should the perp do?  Sling the gun behind a fence not visible to the officer or drop the gun in front of the officer?  Officer thought he still had the gun and had no time to process what had just happened.  There's a terrific camera angle on the CPD site from the house behind the fence where the shooting took place.  It's hard to describe this in words, but you can see the kid run up and sling the gun behind the fence as he turns to face the officer while his gun-hand was hidden until literally the last split-second.  Hate to have to analyze this like it's the Zapruder film, but the officer had to make a life-and-death decision in a split second.  

The court of public opinion is out in full force though on Twitter ("poor baby, he was ONLY 13!, kill the police!")  It's nuts.

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Angelic Assassin wrote: Blazer wrote: srossi wrote: Well now they killed a 13-year old boy while his hands were up after lying and saying he had a gun. Are they still not aware of the idea of cameras? This one is even more horrific than most.
It's a Chicago incident, so I'm at ground zero.  The media is twisting the fuck out of this though.

Short story: 13 year old hispanic kid is out at 2am running with a street gang.  He's run away from home twice, no dad in his life, hanging with a 21 year old.  They popped off eight rounds from a pistol at a car.  Police called.  Hispanic kid (who by the way looks like he's 20, has a mustache, tall kid) runs down alley with 9 mm pistol in his right hand the entire time.  Police yelling at him to stop.  Kid gets to a fence and slings the gun behind fence as he turns around, and the officer shoots literally a millisecond as kid raises his empty hands up. Media is all over this taking that still shot of his hands being up and plastering it all over tv trying to drum up tension, while CPD showed video clips in real time of how it happened from different camera angles.  The gun sling to hands-up time was like 0,18 seconds.

I don't even know what to say.  Should he have been shot?  No.   Is the officer guilty of misconduct?  My opinion, no.  At some point, if we're going to let criminals own the streets, then we're done.

This kid was the same age as my son, who's at home drinking hot cocoa and playing Minecraft and in bed by 10:30.  Parents got to parent.  That's the shittiest part of this.  I can't blame the kid or the police on that as much as the parents.


The people on here who rag on cops as their profession should maybe consider trying it for the day.


This bullshit that the kid didn't have a gun is bordering on the insane.  The cop had a millisecond to decide whether to shoot or be shot. The kid raising his could just as easily been him preparing to shoot at the cop.

Of course we aren't all psychic like rossi who knows all and believes this kid is completely blameless because that is the narrative that psycho cop haters use.

Cops are going in to Sunday service and pulling black and hispanic individuals out of the pews and taking them out and shooting them. Cops responded to a shots fired call and come across these two individuals fleeing the scene.

No those were good kids heading to the 7-11 for a slurpee at 3 in the morning.

Seek psychological help rossi. You need it desperately.

Rossi's on the east coast and not going to see the real story on this unless he's following my super secret Twitter feed or some of the conservative Chicago crime watch blogs.  Give him the benefit of the doubt for now.  But, the media is just itching to stir shit up right now with Brooklyn Center, this Chicago incident, and the Chauvin verdict coming up really soon.  This is like a powder keg ready to erupt. 

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Blazer wrote: Angelic Assassin wrote: Blazer wrote: srossi wrote: Well now they killed a 13-year old boy while his hands were up after lying and saying he had a gun. Are they still not aware of the idea of cameras? This one is even more horrific than most.
It's a Chicago incident, so I'm at ground zero.  The media is twisting the fuck out of this though.

Short story: 13 year old hispanic kid is out at 2am running with a street gang.  He's run away from home twice, no dad in his life, hanging with a 21 year old.  They popped off eight rounds from a pistol at a car.  Police called.  Hispanic kid (who by the way looks like he's 20, has a mustache, tall kid) runs down alley with 9 mm pistol in his right hand the entire time.  Police yelling at him to stop.  Kid gets to a fence and slings the gun behind fence as he turns around, and the officer shoots literally a millisecond as kid raises his empty hands up. Media is all over this taking that still shot of his hands being up and plastering it all over tv trying to drum up tension, while CPD showed video clips in real time of how it happened from different camera angles.  The gun sling to hands-up time was like 0,18 seconds.

I don't even know what to say.  Should he have been shot?  No.   Is the officer guilty of misconduct?  My opinion, no.  At some point, if we're going to let criminals own the streets, then we're done.

This kid was the same age as my son, who's at home drinking hot cocoa and playing Minecraft and in bed by 10:30.  Parents got to parent.  That's the shittiest part of this.  I can't blame the kid or the police on that as much as the parents.


The people on here who rag on cops as their profession should maybe consider trying it for the day.


This bullshit that the kid didn't have a gun is bordering on the insane.  The cop had a millisecond to decide whether to shoot or be shot. The kid raising his could just as easily been him preparing to shoot at the cop.

Of course we aren't all psychic like rossi who knows all and believes this kid is completely blameless because that is the narrative that psycho cop haters use.

Cops are going in to Sunday service and pulling black and hispanic individuals out of the pews and taking them out and shooting them. Cops responded to a shots fired call and come across these two individuals fleeing the scene.

No those were good kids heading to the 7-11 for a slurpee at 3 in the morning.

Seek psychological help rossi. You need it desperately.

Rossi's on the east coast and not going to see the real story on this unless he's following my super secret Twitter feed or some of the conservative Chicago crime watch blogs.  Give him the benefit of the doubt for now.  But, the media is just itching to stir shit up right now with Brooklyn Center, this Chicago incident, and the Chauvin verdict coming up really soon.  This is like a powder keg ready to erupt.

Don't feed the trolls.  AA doesn't care about the topic, he just follows me around and disagrees, and literally admitted the last time when I agreed with him that he changed his opinion mid-way through the thread to argue the other side against me (after a night of heavy drinking, and it's almost 10pm so he should be 8 bottles in by now).  So when he's in, I'm out.  Have no interest in continuing the discussion.  I refer you to my signature below.

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Blazer wrote: The court of public opinion is out in full force though on Twitter ("poor baby, he was ONLY 13!, kill the police!")  It's nuts.It's to be expected, and I understand the reaction, as noted the news is pushing the tragedy aspect of it but not from a "Tragedy on both ends" perspective, as it should be given all the elements involved. The last year's worth of reaction to cop incidents, right or wrong, sailed the ship on balanced reporting about these incidents a long time ago.
That's a damn shame, because these are the ones you NEED balanced reporting so badly.

I hope the Chauvin verdict isn't coming too soon, that one could be the gasoline on the kindling.

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srossi wrote: Blazer wrote: Angelic Assassin wrote: Blazer wrote: srossi wrote: Well now they killed a 13-year old boy while his hands were up after lying and saying he had a gun. Are they still not aware of the idea of cameras? This one is even more horrific than most.
It's a Chicago incident, so I'm at ground zero.  The media is twisting the fuck out of this though.

Short story: 13 year old hispanic kid is out at 2am running with a street gang.  He's run away from home twice, no dad in his life, hanging with a 21 year old.  They popped off eight rounds from a pistol at a car.  Police called.  Hispanic kid (who by the way looks like he's 20, has a mustache, tall kid) runs down alley with 9 mm pistol in his right hand the entire time.  Police yelling at him to stop.  Kid gets to a fence and slings the gun behind fence as he turns around, and the officer shoots literally a millisecond as kid raises his empty hands up. Media is all over this taking that still shot of his hands being up and plastering it all over tv trying to drum up tension, while CPD showed video clips in real time of how it happened from different camera angles.  The gun sling to hands-up time was like 0,18 seconds.

I don't even know what to say.  Should he have been shot?  No.   Is the officer guilty of misconduct?  My opinion, no.  At some point, if we're going to let criminals own the streets, then we're done.

This kid was the same age as my son, who's at home drinking hot cocoa and playing Minecraft and in bed by 10:30.  Parents got to parent.  That's the shittiest part of this.  I can't blame the kid or the police on that as much as the parents.


The people on here who rag on cops as their profession should maybe consider trying it for the day.


This bullshit that the kid didn't have a gun is bordering on the insane.  The cop had a millisecond to decide whether to shoot or be shot. The kid raising his could just as easily been him preparing to shoot at the cop.

Of course we aren't all psychic like rossi who knows all and believes this kid is completely blameless because that is the narrative that psycho cop haters use.

Cops are going in to Sunday service and pulling black and hispanic individuals out of the pews and taking them out and shooting them. Cops responded to a shots fired call and come across these two individuals fleeing the scene.

No those were good kids heading to the 7-11 for a slurpee at 3 in the morning.

Seek psychological help rossi. You need it desperately.

Rossi's on the east coast and not going to see the real story on this unless he's following my super secret Twitter feed or some of the conservative Chicago crime watch blogs.  Give him the benefit of the doubt for now.  But, the media is just itching to stir shit up right now with Brooklyn Center, this Chicago incident, and the Chauvin verdict coming up really soon.  This is like a powder keg ready to erupt.

Don't feed the trolls.  AA doesn't care about the topic, he just follows me around and disagrees, and literally admitted the last time when I agreed with him that he changed his opinion mid-way through the thread to argue the other side against me (after a night of heavy drinking, and it's almost 10pm so he should be 8 bottles in by now).  So when he's in, I'm out.  Have no interest in continuing the discussion.  I refer you to my signature below.

I think you are confusing me with KGB or someone else.  If your take makes sense I'll agree with you but your takes rarely do.  Mostly they are just you getting a stiffy by upping your post count.

Personally I'm up to nearly 8000 posts which you likely had your first day here.

Your all consuming hatred of cops makes you completely blind to what is going on out there and finding fault with them and them alone no matter the circumstances clearly shows you have a screw loose.

People play stupid games and win stupid prizes. And they die.  Parents at fault. 13 year old at fault. His peers at fault.  Cop not at fault.



He did not tell the 13 year to run around with a gun taking shots at whoever or whatever at 3 in the morning.



Nowhere in a cops job description does it say "wait to see if you get shot before returning fire or firing at an individual who clearly has a gun.

If you can find me any cases where cops just flat out executed someone with no provocation whatsoever (don't try going all the way back to the days of Eliot Ness) then you might get my attention.

And this "I'm out" bullshit is a joke. This isn't an airport you don't have to announce your departure, just leave.  You'll be back in here bad mouthing KGB or someone else because they won't bow down to the all knowing Grand Poobah of garbage posts you feel you are before I've drained my 15th beer. 

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The cops lost Pat Robertson now.

https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2021/04/16/pat-robertson-televangelist-police-criticism-lemon-ctn-vpx.cnn

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Then the cops must be right, cuz fuck Robertson.

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The Ultimate Sin wrote: Then the cops must be right, cuz fuck Robertson.
Fuck Pat Robertson and Don Lemon.  

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Anyone have Pat in the dead pool ?  He looks like he's dead.

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I came across Jim Baker on one of the high-300 channels on Directv the other night. Another dude that looks in bad shape.

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Another crazy story coming out of Colorado. 73-year old woman stopped at Walmart for shoplifting $14 worth of items. The Walmart employee engages her and gets the items back easily. He then calls the cops not because he wants her arrested but because he could tell from his interaction with her that she has dementia and was lost. He specifically tries to lesson tensions by saying, “We got the items back. We’re not prosecuting. She’s just lost and needs help finding her way home.”  Then the cops show up, tackle her, dislocate her shoulder, and throw her in jail for 6 hours without providing any physical or mental health aid. There’s video and there’s a lawsuit. Taxpayers will foot the bill again. This isn’t even cowardice, this is pure sociopathic behavior. The minimum wage Walmart employee had little trouble dealing with her non-violently but the cops lost their minds with a 73-year old dementia patient.



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