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 Posted: Thu May 13th, 2021 01:58 pm
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Got sucked into watching (listening) to a shoot interview he did and thought he was an interesting topic.


He says he started wrestling in 1971. The earliest footage I ever saw was his 1975 MSG match vs El Olympico where it is clear he is looking as much as his father as he can be.


He goes to the Carolinas and his career takes off. Back to New York in the late 70s for an INSANE heel run where he breaks Chief Jay Strongbow's leg and goes after Backlund after terrorizing the east coast with 'the figure four leg lock'

He goes back and forth between the Carolinas and New York for quite awhile and he wins the US title, the Intercontinental title, tag team championships. A nice decade.

The downhill for Valentine is really downhill. He wasn't effective as a babyface at all. And hislast 'push' was a tag team with Honky Tonk Man (Rhythm & Blues) and that was pretty bad.

Where do you rank Valentine?

To me he is a 'for sure' Hall Of Famer (he is in the WWE HOF)

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 Posted: Thu May 13th, 2021 02:32 pm
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Was so good that the WWF gave him two different belts within a year's time, which at the time was rare.

His WWF run in '84 and '85 with Tito is so underrated. They had great matches. Loved his work into early '87 until the Dream Team split up and he was put with Bravo as the New Dream Team. He seemed to gain some weight and lose some fire at that point. Anything '84 through '86 was awesome. Also loved the Dream Team tag matches against the Bulldogs and Rougeaus.

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 Posted: Thu May 13th, 2021 02:42 pm
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Definitely a HOFer.

I remember him as Johnny Fargo with Super Pro Wrestling out of Pittsburgh.

Solid wrestler. Very skilled at the craft of professional wrestling.

The only blemish in his role as a pro wrestler were his mic skills. Not terrible mic skills, but nothing to heighten or promote a feud. His no-no sense approach for most of his career led to his credibility.

Sort of lost credibility later in his career doing the music gimmick.

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 Posted: Thu May 13th, 2021 03:05 pm
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His US Tag Team run in 1992 with Terry Taylor was fun to watch. They were a very underrated tag team.



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In the '83-'84 era, he was my second or third favorite wrestler. A solid, believable performer. Not a great promo, but had enough natural charisma to get by. One of my biggest thrills in wrestling back then was seeing him at The Aud in Buffalo just two days after he won the IC belt in Brampton. He came to the ring in his robe but then opened it to display the title belt just as Norm Kimber announced, "the NEW Inter-continental champion..." Man, did I mark out.



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 Posted: Thu May 13th, 2021 05:11 pm
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I liked Valentine a lot but one thing I hated about him in-ring was that delayed faceplant he did. When you first saw it a few times it was a cool fall, but it got to the point where he needed to get it in every match and it took away the believability factor that his character had...stalking, cold, assassin-like in his ring movements and demeanor.

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 Posted: Thu May 13th, 2021 06:51 pm
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I was always a big fan of Valentine. He was a solid, believable heel and always had good to great matches except when paired with HTM. Always enjoyed his matches with Tito feuding over the IC belt. As mentioned above, his 92 WCW run is underrated and often forgotten.



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 Posted: Thu May 13th, 2021 06:55 pm
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Good performer. Business (or at least WWF) passed him by by 1988.



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broke wrote: Good performer. Business (or at least WWF) passed him by by 1988.
That sounds about right. I liked him also. The figure four. The sequined robes. Legit title threat.


Once Hogan beat Andre, I hate to say it, you couldn’t take Valentine, Race or Muraco seriously as guys that were going to beat Hogan for the belt.

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Greg stayed in the WWF too long. He became just another guy. He says he almost went back to Crockett in 87/88 but Vince convinced him to stay.

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 Posted: Fri May 14th, 2021 06:47 pm
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Spatulapup wrote: Greg stayed in the WWF too long. He became just another guy. He says he almost went back to Crockett in 87/88 but Vince convinced him to stay.

He would have been a great 'Horsemen'

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beejmi wrote: Spatulapup wrote: Greg stayed in the WWF too long. He became just another guy. He says he almost went back to Crockett in 87/88 but Vince convinced him to stay.

He would have been a great 'Horsemen'


Certainly would have fit better than these:
Sting
Sid Vicious
Paul Roma
Brian Pillman
Chris Benoit
Steve McMichael
Curt Hennig
Dean Malenko
Jeff Jarrett(never really a member but involved from a story line aspect)

Benoit & Malenko maybe being the least out of place of the above list.


Never cared for the 4 Horsemen as Faces which is part of the reason I didn't care for certain members when they were in the role of Faes.

 



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Valentine replacing One of Arn/Tully then turning on Ric could have worked in 88. By late 88 he wasn't really a threat to any of the top guys, Flair included. Wonder if he would have ended up in the AWA for a spell. Him and Zbysko could have put on some sleepers. :)



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 Posted: Sat May 15th, 2021 12:49 am
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I thought he was a great midcarder in the WWE (and once Hogan became WWE Champion that was all Valentine was ever gonna be). He and Tito had probably the best Intercontinental title feud of the 80's. And like Tito he was good both as a singles and tag team wrestler, and both guys would put guys over without losing their credibility.

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I first saw him on Los Angeles TV in early 1975 where he was getting a substantial push. Valentine was an elite level worker. Incredible matches with Backlund, Morales, and Chico were all time greats. He had the kind of body that was almost injury proof. Big and strong but not musclebound. He worked an exciting style without taking stupid chances. I can't say enough good things about him.



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