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 Posted: Wed Jun 16th, 2021 11:21 am
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No more cold matches... Every match has to be for a reason. If you were wondering why Jeff Hardy put his career on the line with no build-up last night, now you know.

EDIT: Apologies for the click-bait thread title.

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Maybe they’ll stop wrestling during commercial breaks too…oh wait…



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Can't wait for Cornette to have a coronary about this one.

Nothing wrong with having guys wrestle a match that "doesn't mean anything" at the start of the PPV or on tv to get them over. It's how you build characters, finishers, and stories. If you skip to Chapter 12 of every book you read or only watch the third act of a movie or play, then you're not getting the desired effect.

Was it SummerSlam '88 that basically had one "feud" match with the main event and then the rest of the matches were just thrown together where they even skipped the hottest feud of Rude vs. Jake to have Rude vs. JYD, Ken Patera vs. Bad News, Jake vs. Hercules? None of the undercard matches had a story. Which was fine. Bossman squashed Koko to get himself over. The Powers of Pain debuted. I often wonder what older Vince thinks about younger Vince's ideas.



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Senility thy name is Vince McMahon.

One of the biggest problems the last couple decades has been ridiculous booking, no real feuds or storylines because everything had to fit in between the every 3 week PPV's and now McMoron wants every match to have a reason.

Don't all the matches on RAW already have a reason? Something has to fill up the time between ridiculous promos, skits and commercials in a three hour show. What the heck lets send a couple wrestlers out to the ring.



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Wrestling is terrible without reason. Seen it all ‘match’ wise. Even moving up & being over is reason. Being a loser is reason. A title shot is reason. Characters have/need reason. Too much content & not nearly enough reason for it all is the point. A wrestler wrestling doesn’t mean shit

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Remember the new edict last year that every match had to be contained within one segment? So they spent 3 weeks stopping matches and then restarting them after commercial breaks. And then someone must've said, "This is fucking retarded" and it just disappeared as quickly as it began.  Yeah, this will last about as long.  I can't wait to see the random Hell in a Cell match between Drew Gulak and one of the Bollywood Boyz on 205 Live this week though.

Some of my favorite memories of the dying days of WCW was when they would send two guys with 20 years experience out there who were basically being used as jobbers and just told them to wrestle for 20 minutes while Hogan or someone else refused to go on unless there was a re-write.  Mike Enos and Chris Adams, just go and don't stop until we tell you to.  Sometimes cold matches are awesome. 



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Brad Armstrong and Muta more or less improvised a half-hour purist classic on WCW Saturday Night.

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I looked up the details of this one, but I remember the match clearly. August 24, 2010, the second to last episode of NXT Season 2. They were down to Kaval, Alex Riley and Michael McGillicutty, but they still had an hour of TV to fill, so the second half of the show is a Cody Rhodes vs MVP match that went almost 25 minutes (I think about 18 minutes of it made TV with ad breaks), and it's really good. Completely meaningless match on a show that no one cared about, Michael Cole and Josh Matthews had been openly laughing at how bad the contestants were for weeks now.

Enjoy a match that meant absolutely nothing:

https://youtu.be/zTCpgeDFpeQ?t=1567



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this won't really change anything in the WWE.



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Is there an edict about wearing belts as well? Normally when there's a belt presentation, the presenter straps the belt around the wrestler's waist - but DiBiase handed over the Million Dollar Belt by plonking it on the shoulder. Looked unnatural.



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I kinda get it but you can't take it literally.

My interpretation


Vince is thinking that two guys in the ring for no 'reason' looks like its 'just a random match'. And a turnoff. No reason to watch.


But if there's a 'reason' (an outside issue, something to fight over) than it becomes 'interesting'.


In my mind at least, a title is a reason, to start an angle is a reason, etc. Something more than just 'winning' and 'losing'. He is going the Vince Russo thought process route where 'everybody had a storyline'



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beejmi wrote: I kinda get it but you can't take it literally.

My interpretation


Vince is thinking that two guys in the ring for no 'reason' looks like its 'just a random match'. And a turnoff. No reason to watch.


But if there's a 'reason' (an outside issue, something to fight over) than it becomes 'interesting'.


In my mind at least, a title is a reason, to start an angle is a reason, etc. Something more than just 'winning' and 'losing'. He is going the Vince Russo thought process route where 'everybody had a storyline'

The problem is when the reason is created just to service the match. On Monday night, Jeff Hardy had a 3 minute match Cedric Alexander. To give the match a reason, Jeff  Hardy said he'd retire if he didn't win. No build, no story, just a stipulation pulled out of thin air. Instead of building matches, are  we going to see a lot of stipulation matches with zero build?



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Kriss wrote: beejmi wrote: I kinda get it but you can't take it literally.

My interpretation


Vince is thinking that two guys in the ring for no 'reason' looks like its 'just a random match'. And a turnoff. No reason to watch.


But if there's a 'reason' (an outside issue, something to fight over) than it becomes 'interesting'.


In my mind at least, a title is a reason, to start an angle is a reason, etc. Something more than just 'winning' and 'losing'. He is going the Vince Russo thought process route where 'everybody had a storyline'

The problem is when the reason is created just to service the match. On Monday night, Jeff Hardy had a 3 minute match Cedric Alexander. To give the match a reason, Jeff  Hardy said he'd retire if he didn't win. No build, no story, just a stipulation pulled out of thin air. Instead of building matches, are  we going to see a lot of stipulation matches with zero build?

AEW PR and Media CZAR is whining about stipulation matches with zero build lmao

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krazykid18 wrote: Kriss wrote: beejmi wrote: I kinda get it but you can't take it literally.

My interpretation


Vince is thinking that two guys in the ring for no 'reason' looks like its 'just a random match'. And a turnoff. No reason to watch.


But if there's a 'reason' (an outside issue, something to fight over) than it becomes 'interesting'.


In my mind at least, a title is a reason, to start an angle is a reason, etc. Something more than just 'winning' and 'losing'. He is going the Vince Russo thought process route where 'everybody had a storyline'

The problem is when the reason is created just to service the match. On Monday night, Jeff Hardy had a 3 minute match Cedric Alexander. To give the match a reason, Jeff  Hardy said he'd retire if he didn't win. No build, no story, just a stipulation pulled out of thin air. Instead of building matches, are  we going to see a lot of stipulation matches with zero build?

AEW PR and Media CZAR is whining about stipulation matches with zero build lmao

What was the last match on Dynamite that had zero build?



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Last show? Christian v Angelico? Miro v Evil Uno? Archer v Hopkins? Dark Order v Team Taz? I may have missed the minutiae leading up to them, but they felt like matches just to see who could beat the other.



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