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 Posted: Sat Sep 4th, 2021 11:09 pm
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Its time to look back at one of the stars of the sport and see what we think here.

I believe Kevin Nash (the first I ever saw him) was as 'Oz'. He was billed as 7 foot tall and was a heel. Wasn't in the ring a whole lot that I can remember. '

At some point he gets re-packaged as 'Vinnie Vegas' . Midcard heel. A bit more of his personality comes out here.

He eventually makes his way to the WWF and he turns up as Shawn Michael's bodyguard and his name is now Diesel.

Diesel develops a fan following at this point and his first real 'push' that I remember is him dominating the 1994 Royal Rumble. He didn't win it but he threw half the damn roster out and he's 'Big Daddy Cool' and he starts getting cheered.

Diesel goes on to win the WWF title from Bob Backlund at Madison Square Garden

Diesel's run as champion is marred by poor business and eventually himself and Shawn Michaels and Scott Hall and Sean Waltman form an alliance behind the scenes that more or less takes over the company.


Nash and Hall leave WWF for WCW in mid-1996 and kick-start what is arguably WCW's greatest storlyline and money draw.

Nash goes on to win the WCW title 5 times and is involved quite a bit in the backstage politics for someone that (comparatively) hadn't spent that long in the ring.

The NWO is more or less the end of Nash's career as from there he goes back to the WWF and has a stint in TNA but it's nowhere as noteworthy as his WCW run.

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Prior to OZ he was half of The Master Blasters in WCW during 1989.  He debuted as Steel and his partner was Iron (Cory Pendarvis) who lasted nary a week past their debut on national TV for a Clash of the Champions win over Tim Horner and Brad Armstrong.  Pendarvis walked out after just a few other dates.   Then Nash got paired with Al Green who was already doing a similar gimmick as Blade Hunter, so the new Master Blasters combo was Steel and Blade for maybe 4-6 months.

Late in that run using the Steel gimmick, Nash was among the guys they used on Family Feud when they took on the GLOW girls and showed some of the personality he would display as a talking Diesel.   It was interesting to see him chosen for that lineup because  they used makeup to present him as almost an unkempt street person, yet he had maybe the best presence of their team.

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 How did he get so much 'pull' backstage later on?

It wasn't like he had spent a long career in the ring.

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It took me a while to get used to Kevin Nash's first WWE Title reign, mainly for the reason that I didn't think someone with the name "Diesel" should be your world champion. It would've been better had he just used his own name Kevin Nash. At that time I was willing to accept whatever name they gave a wrestler, but those in the main event should have main event sounding names.

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beejmi wrote:  How did he get so much 'pull' backstage later on?

It wasn't like he had spent a long career in the ring.
He and Hall had the biggest deal in wrestling aside from Hogan. He was in with Hogan and Bischoff. Most people seem to say he was a personable and funny guy. He seems smart and well able to speak. Unlike Hall he was able to keep himself in line. 

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Was Diesel the first time that VKM pushed a one name wrestler?

Dude probably made more money with less in-ring ability than anyone in the business.



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You can't argue with his career. He started late, 31 when he debuted, and his size meant that he started to lose his mobility quite early into his career. Not a great wrestler and he never tried hard, but could have a good match with a good opponent on a rare occasion. A good promo, but was far too prone to say stuff just amuse himself when he was in WCW. Can't blame him for playing Eric Bischoff like a fiddle to get the most money he could in WCW. He was clearly never a guy who was all about the art of wrestling.

Not a surprise that his WWF title reign was a flop. For as good as Diesel was as the champion on TV, has anyone ever had a tiny bit of excitement for a Diesel match? You knew what you were gonna get. He never had any exciting spots that he could pull out to wow the crowd like Undertaker.

So, I respect his hustle, he was a decent promo when motivated, but his in-ring work was 2/10.



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Kriss wrote:  A good promo, but was far too prone to say stuff just amuse himself when he was in WCW. In part that's down to other wrestlers not being smart enough to improvise around that.  Q.v. Sid Vicious.



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Apparently saved his money and has built a decent career acting in occasional small roles.

Doing better than 90% of the wrestlers. Good for him.

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Jim_Irish wrote: beejmi wrote:  How did he get so much 'pull' backstage later on?

It wasn't like he had spent a long career in the ring.
He and Hall had the biggest deal in wrestling aside from Hogan. He was in with Hogan and Bischoff. Most people seem to say he was a personable and funny guy. He seems smart and well able to speak. Unlike Hall he was able to keep himself in line. 

I think the question is about the WWF. It’s obvious how he got stroke by the time he was in WCW. But in the WWF he was personally recruited by Shawn Michaels to come in and was part of The Kliq from day one, so he got plenty of pull early. He’s also just a really smart guy and a smooth talker who wasn’t afraid to march into Vince’s office and pitch ideas, and Vince loved that. The current roster could learn a thing of two from that, not that it would probably help much at this point. 



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And maybe that's part of it

Not a wrestler forever=new/different/fresh/exciting in some people's viewpoint

Wanted to mention earlier. Great look. I think he legit is close to 7 foot tall. If you were in a fight you'd want him on your side.

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“Wasn’t afraid”

That kinda of epitomized him. Was not scared to try to work the system and take a risk to better himself vs. accepting what the promoters would dole out.

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At a certain point he gave up and just realized he could make boatloads of money by doing nothing, and he openly resented wrestlers who did anything at all. The purpose of any job is to make money but he took it way too far. I can’t think of one decent match he ever had in WCW. Earlier though, he worked a bit to build his reputation. His matches against Bret Hart in the WWF were particularly good. Part of it was Bret being able to carry anyone, but Nash also had his working shoes on. Then he started making money, and that stopped.



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I liked Diesel and had no problem with him winning the belt, though my fantasy booking was that Backlund kept the title longer. Also Bret is my favorite wrestler and so I'd want the belt to go back to him soon as well.It's just that it was watered-down Diesel right after he won the belt. I remember seeing him conduct the Christmas carolers right after he won the belt and thought that it wasn't going to be the same guy anymore now that he's getting pushed as the new Hogan.

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Despite what I didn't like about the Diesel name, I didn't really mind Kevin Nash. Like many have said he is limited in the ring but can cut a decent promo and can be carried to a good match against the right opponent.

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