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That Carmelo Hayes segment where he was quoting 25 year old Konnan slang was painful.



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The icing on the cake: they made Mandy Rose ugly. Why the fuck are they doing this?



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We have to start putting this in the conversation for worst WWE shows ever. So many generic characters were introduced and all looked awful and I literally don’t know any of their names. It was an endless parade of jobbers to me. It almost seemed like Tough Enough and tryout matches. I don’t see how any current NXT star can think he has a job much longer after this.  It was a total reboot. 



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srossi wrote: We have to start putting this in the conversation for worst WWE shows ever. So many generic characters were introduced and all looked awful and I literally don’t know any of their names. It was an endless parade of jobbers to me. It almost seemed like Tough Enough and tryout matches. I don’t see how any current NXT star can think he has a job much longer after this.  It was a total reboot. 

It's not like there isn't a place for a show like this. People need somewhere to practice and try out new stuff. In-ring it's gonna suck. Green wrestlers doing WWE punchy-kicky style isn't going to be fun to watch for two hours. It's pretty much the same concept as AEW Dark (although Tony is paying me to tell you that Dark is way better). But... WWE are getting money from USA for this show, but this isn't the show they paid for. Will the ratings hold up? Will USA be happy if they don't? Will they change the format to make USA happy?



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Kriss wrote: srossi wrote: We have to start putting this in the conversation for worst WWE shows ever. So many generic characters were introduced and all looked awful and I literally don’t know any of their names. It was an endless parade of jobbers to me. It almost seemed like Tough Enough and tryout matches. I don’t see how any current NXT star can think he has a job much longer after this.  It was a total reboot. 

It's not like there isn't a place for a show like this. People need somewhere to practice and try out new stuff. In-ring it's gonna suck. Green wrestlers doing WWE punchy-kicky style isn't going to be fun to watch for two hours. It's pretty much the same concept as AEW Dark (although Tony is paying me to tell you that Dark is way better). But... WWE are getting money from USA for this show, but this isn't the show they paid for. Will the ratings hold up? Will USA be happy if they don't? Will they change the format to make USA happy?

USA thought they were getting Finn Balor and wound up with Von Waggoner (who I hear is Wayne Bloom’s son). There must’ve been at least 15 new faces introduced in 2 hours, either in a match, backstage segment, or vignette. No one stuck out at all, not that it would be easy to stick out in that situation. But some seemed lost. And with all those people on the roster, Vince had the nerve to go up to L.A. Knight and say, “You’re jobbing TWICE tonight, pal.”



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srossi wrote: Kriss wrote: srossi wrote: We have to start putting this in the conversation for worst WWE shows ever. So many generic characters were introduced and all looked awful and I literally don’t know any of their names. It was an endless parade of jobbers to me. It almost seemed like Tough Enough and tryout matches. I don’t see how any current NXT star can think he has a job much longer after this.  It was a total reboot. 

It's not like there isn't a place for a show like this. People need somewhere to practice and try out new stuff. In-ring it's gonna suck. Green wrestlers doing WWE punchy-kicky style isn't going to be fun to watch for two hours. It's pretty much the same concept as AEW Dark (although Tony is paying me to tell you that Dark is way better). But... WWE are getting money from USA for this show, but this isn't the show they paid for. Will the ratings hold up? Will USA be happy if they don't? Will they change the format to make USA happy?

USA thought they were getting Finn Balor and wound up with Von Waggoner (who I hear is Wayne Bloom’s son). There must’ve been at least 15 new faces introduced in 2 hours, either in a match, backstage segment, or vignette. No one stuck out at all, not that it would be easy to stick out in that situation. But some seemed lost. And with all those people on the roster, Vince had the nerve to go up to L.A. Knight and say, “You’re jobbing TWICE tonight, pal.”

They seem pretty high on Bron Breakker, given his win and it looked like he was challenging Ciampa at the very end of the show. This is another example of taking things away from someone though. The Steiner name means a lot. Debut him as a Steiner, bring out his dad, and the guy is instantly over. Instead you get the singlet and an inside reference on commentary. Kushida vs Strong next week will seem very out of place. Two small guys having a great match, with neither having a chance on the main roster. I'm not as down on the show as you are, but it has zero chance of hitting the NXT highs, and I doubt this format will be successful in ratings. I'm not sure where Amateur Wrestling Soprano came from. It sounded like something from promo class that was never supposed to make TV.



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Kriss wrote: srossi wrote: Kriss wrote: srossi wrote: We have to start putting this in the conversation for worst WWE shows ever. So many generic characters were introduced and all looked awful and I literally don’t know any of their names. It was an endless parade of jobbers to me. It almost seemed like Tough Enough and tryout matches. I don’t see how any current NXT star can think he has a job much longer after this.  It was a total reboot. 

It's not like there isn't a place for a show like this. People need somewhere to practice and try out new stuff. In-ring it's gonna suck. Green wrestlers doing WWE punchy-kicky style isn't going to be fun to watch for two hours. It's pretty much the same concept as AEW Dark (although Tony is paying me to tell you that Dark is way better). But... WWE are getting money from USA for this show, but this isn't the show they paid for. Will the ratings hold up? Will USA be happy if they don't? Will they change the format to make USA happy?

USA thought they were getting Finn Balor and wound up with Von Waggoner (who I hear is Wayne Bloom’s son). There must’ve been at least 15 new faces introduced in 2 hours, either in a match, backstage segment, or vignette. No one stuck out at all, not that it would be easy to stick out in that situation. But some seemed lost. And with all those people on the roster, Vince had the nerve to go up to L.A. Knight and say, “You’re jobbing TWICE tonight, pal.”

They seem pretty high on Bron Breakker, given his win and it looked like he was challenging Ciampa at the very end of the show. This is another example of taking things away from someone though. The Steiner name means a lot. Debut him as a Steiner, bring out his dad, and the guy is instantly over. Instead you get the singlet and an inside reference on commentary. Kushida vs Strong next week will seem very out of place. Two small guys having a great match, with neither having a chance on the main roster. I'm not as down on the show as you are, but it has zero chance of hitting the NXT highs, and I doubt this format will be successful in ratings. I'm not sure where Amateur Wrestling Soprano came from. It sounded like something from promo class that was never supposed to make TV.

I had no idea that was even Steiner. I had just heard they were going to call him Rex Steiner, which would’ve gotten over much more, but Vince must’ve vetoed it at the last minute. But he just came across as another guy. Almost all the new guys have amateur wrestling gimmicks too. Not even an attempt at diversity. 



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srossi wrote: Kriss wrote: srossi wrote: Kriss wrote: srossi wrote: We have to start putting this in the conversation for worst WWE shows ever. So many generic characters were introduced and all looked awful and I literally don’t know any of their names. It was an endless parade of jobbers to me. It almost seemed like Tough Enough and tryout matches. I don’t see how any current NXT star can think he has a job much longer after this.  It was a total reboot. 

It's not like there isn't a place for a show like this. People need somewhere to practice and try out new stuff. In-ring it's gonna suck. Green wrestlers doing WWE punchy-kicky style isn't going to be fun to watch for two hours. It's pretty much the same concept as AEW Dark (although Tony is paying me to tell you that Dark is way better). But... WWE are getting money from USA for this show, but this isn't the show they paid for. Will the ratings hold up? Will USA be happy if they don't? Will they change the format to make USA happy?

USA thought they were getting Finn Balor and wound up with Von Waggoner (who I hear is Wayne Bloom’s son). There must’ve been at least 15 new faces introduced in 2 hours, either in a match, backstage segment, or vignette. No one stuck out at all, not that it would be easy to stick out in that situation. But some seemed lost. And with all those people on the roster, Vince had the nerve to go up to L.A. Knight and say, “You’re jobbing TWICE tonight, pal.”

They seem pretty high on Bron Breakker, given his win and it looked like he was challenging Ciampa at the very end of the show. This is another example of taking things away from someone though. The Steiner name means a lot. Debut him as a Steiner, bring out his dad, and the guy is instantly over. Instead you get the singlet and an inside reference on commentary. Kushida vs Strong next week will seem very out of place. Two small guys having a great match, with neither having a chance on the main roster. I'm not as down on the show as you are, but it has zero chance of hitting the NXT highs, and I doubt this format will be successful in ratings. I'm not sure where Amateur Wrestling Soprano came from. It sounded like something from promo class that was never supposed to make TV.

I had no idea that was even Steiner. I had just heard they were going to call him Rex Steiner, which would’ve gotten over much more, but Vince must’ve vetoed it at the last minute. But he just came across as another guy. Almost all the new guys have amateur wrestling gimmicks too. Not even an attempt at diversity. 

If you listen to him, he sounds a lot like Rick, and generic commentator #7 said he had the attitude of a dog-faced gremlin.

Von Wagner is Cal Bloom, Wayne's son. You also saw the debut of Bull Buchanan's son as one of the guys who lost to Imperium.

I also have to say, the wedding was quite entertaining. It would have probably got a very nice crowd reaction if there were more than 12 people in the audience.

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srossi wrote: The icing on the cake: they made Mandy Rose ugly. Why the fuck are they doing this?


I didn't have any perspective on this as I rarely have watched NXT.  Aside from a new hair color and style, what has changed?    Looks are all subjective but my own perception is unchanged; it isn't a Jillian Hall situation where she had a gimmick disfigurement and it was eaten away by the Boogeyman.

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I had no idea that was even Steiner. I had just heard they were going to call him Rex Steiner, which would’ve gotten over much more, but Vince must’ve vetoed it at the last minute. But he just came across as another guy. Almost all the new guys have amateur wrestling gimmicks too. Not even an attempt at diversity. 



I found it interesting because I thought someone had removed a Rick Steiner head from an action figure and replaced it with this Bron Breaker guy.  Even before the Dogfaced Gremlin reference, he was doing a tribute to his dad with much the same energy and mechanics, and wearing the singlet was a bonus, so reading who it was in a recap just confirmed what I was thinking.  
And on the topic of Rick Steiner's physique, it was surprising to see him a few years ago in Waterloo receiving an award, as he had dropped so much mass that he wasn't instantly recognizable.  He got into real estate and was a school board member last I recall, and had clearly left the ring days behind him...although he did go up to Canada to wrestle the Hannibal TV fella around the same time, and hid his whole body with black ring gear like one of the Assassins.  

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One Fan Gang wrote: srossi wrote: The icing on the cake: they made Mandy Rose ugly. Why the fuck are they doing this?


I didn't have any perspective on this as I rarely have watched NXT.  Aside from a new hair color and style, what has changed?    Looks are all subjective but my own perception is unchanged; it isn't a Jillian Hall situation where she had a gimmick disfigurement and it was eaten away by the Boogeyman.

The make-up was caked on and just not flattering as well.  Of course attractiveness is subjective, but she was an incredible natural beauty before, and last night just didn't do anything for me at all.  I'm sure she'll lose sleep over that.



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srossi wrote: One Fan Gang wrote: srossi wrote: The icing on the cake: they made Mandy Rose ugly. Why the fuck are they doing this?


I didn't have any perspective on this as I rarely have watched NXT.  Aside from a new hair color and style, what has changed?    Looks are all subjective but my own perception is unchanged; it isn't a Jillian Hall situation where she had a gimmick disfigurement and it was eaten away by the Boogeyman.

The make-up was caked on and just not flattering as well.  Of course attractiveness is subjective, but she was an incredible natural beauty before, and last night just didn't do anything for me at all.  I'm sure she'll lose sleep over that.
It looks like they gave her Emma's repackage job from a few years back. 



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When Bron Breaker (what a godawful name) came on the screen, I got my wife and asked her if she could look at him and guess who he might be related to. Without hesitation, she said. he is definitely a Steiner. The genes in that family are strong as fuck.

For his sake, I hope they give him a chance to learn and develop before thrusting him into the title picture like they were hinting at the end of the show.



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I liked it , I dig the retro vibe of the show, the promo and presentation style.

BUT i wonder how is B Fab been with WWE for 3 yrs and looked so horrible last night in the ring she has a good look that you want from a female wrestler but man that match was rough and it was only a minute long

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I’m just spending the entire NXT Googling who the fuck these guys are. I don’t know anyone and they barely even give you their generic names.



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