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 Posted: Wed Oct 27th, 2021 09:10 pm
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This sounds like a release in the sense that no one is restricted anymore, meaning you're about to see a lot of them on AEW Dark. But it can't be a good sign. ROH still hasn't returned to live crowds after more than a year and a half, not even Sinclair can keep floating a company making 0 dollars.



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PWInsider.com has confirmed with multiple talents who were on today's Ring of Honor Zoom call that they were informed that if their contracts were expiring at the end of the year, they will not be renewed. At that point, they will be free to go work elsewhere.

Talents who have deals beyond 1/1/22 will remain under contract for at least a certain period of time. We have heard March 2021 and/or April 2021, so it is within that window.

Ring of Honor is still slated to tape episodes of their weekly TV series this weekend in Baltimore and the 12/11 Final Battle PPV is still on. That PPV will very much an end-point chapter in Ring of Honor as whatever form the promotion ends up taking going forward will be a very different animal.

We are also told that the promotion does have a venue currently locked in for Wrestlemania weekend 2022 in Dallas, Texas, which would be the announced Supercard of Honor.

Ring of Honor's weekly TV series will continue on during this announced "hiatus", using a mix of archival footage and more.



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It was fun while it lasted, but let's be very honest, AEW took their spot and there was nothing left for them. Since all that talent left in the AEW exodus, and with all top current indy talent appearing on Dark and trying to land there instead of ROH, ROH was left desperately pushing a bunch of dojo guys who had little talent, along with some stalwarts who have been there forever. The weekly show became painful to watch and the periodic PPVs were nothing special, barely surpassing WWE in terms of wrestling action at times and certainly not coming close to AEW or even Impact. The pandemic was the final blow, but that MSG show was the last hurrah as within weeks of that event, the company somehow seemed already dead.  I'm glad it's over (and I hope it really is) because this seems like pulling the plug on a beloved grandma who had been brain dead for 3 years.  I couldn't bear to watch it linger anymore.

Really the only question that remains is where do the Briscoe Bros, Jay Lethal, and Jonathan Gresham go?  That's what's left of their roster.  I imagine they all wind up in AEW because with NXT also dying, this is really bad timing for them to end up there being in their mid-30s.  Just 2 years ago, NXT would've made them competitive offers.

We actually have a mini-2001 all over again.  Then WCW and ECW simultaneously imploded and cleared the field.  Now it's ROH and NXT, which has essentially re-made the indy landscape.  I wonder if something can rise from those ashes because AEW can't take everyone, just like WWE couldn't 20 years ago, and there's going to be a ton of talent who ends up on the outside looking in in the next couple of years alone, some of which are just starting to make a name for themselves.



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There's Impact, MLW, NJPW Strong and NWA all doing weekly TV on a somewhat national level. Plus GCW, PWG starting back up and probably some other indies that I don't know about that have a decent profile. There are definitely places to work.

Are Rush and Dragon Lee going to end up in AEW? I think Andrade wants to bring them in.

Jonathan Gresham is married to Jordynne Grace, so he might end up in Impact.

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Kriss wrote: There's Impact, MLW, NJPW Strong and NWA all doing weekly TV on a somewhat national level. Plus GCW, PWG starting back up and probably some other indies that I don't know about that have a decent profile. There are definitely places to work.

Those really don't have high profiles like past #3s have had.  Impact has been putting on quality shows for some time now, but aside from their AEW deal they really haven't created a peep of buzz in years, and no one is getting paid there.  Really the same thing with MLW and the NWA, very small potatoes.  NJPW Strong uses mostly ROH and MLW talent and it remains to be seen what will happen to it once travel restrictions are fully lifted, but it hardly seems like a long-term option for U.S. indy talent.  GCW and PWG are true indies and neither are filling the gap.  GCW could never get TV or real mainstream exposure with their deathmatch stuff anyway. 

Sure there's always places to work for a beer and a burger, but ROH was legitimately signing guys to exclusive high 6 figure deals and had a syndicated TV network that reached most of the country, in addition to their own streaming service and a FITE TV contract.  The drop-off from that is steep. 



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Forgive me for fantasy booking so quickly, but there's really nothing stopping CM Punk, Bryan Danielson, and Adam Cole from saying goodbye one last time. A final shot of them in the ring with Lethal and the Briscoes would pretty much be the perfect ending.



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At least a dozen ROH talents have tweeted that they are available for bookings immediately and are looking to fill up their schedules for November and December, so we could see some of these guys popping up as early as next week's Dark.



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I actually just found out that the Briscoe Bros. won the GCW Tag titles from Mance Warner and Matthew Justice this weekend. It was their first non-ROH show in America since 2014, if you want to know how rare that is. So maybe they got a heads up.



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Sinclair is in big BIG trouble. They got nailed by the data hackers and it cost them dearly. There were affiliates completely knocked off the air. Paid commercials didn’t run, or did run out of their paid for time period, and Sinclair has been either not getting paid for the spots or is being forced to make good on the spots that were paid for…or they have to issue refunds. The money that they lost, they really didn’t have. The pandemic didn’t hurt them anywhere near as much as the network breach. I saw this coming two months ago, but honestly didn’t think it was as bad as it is. There have been talks within the industry (not wrestling) that Sinclair might not make it, which is a massive change compared with nine months ago.



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Original founder Rob Feinstein has commented:

I have received a ton of emails regarding ROH today and what I would have done different to save the company. A wrestling company needs to be run by people “in” the wrestling business period. It does NOT matter how much money you have, or if you are the best business man in the world, if you do not know how to create a buzz, build talent, create storylines that draw money you are destined to fail.

Sinclair broadcasting has more money than Tony Kahn’s family and that is a fact. The fact is they never really got behind ROH. It was there for them to sell advertising space and for content but as a wrestling company it just never ran like one. They could have had Kenny Omega and signed him after his deal with New Japan was up. They could have had the Young Bucks, Cody all under contracts. ROH could have been AEW but they just didn’t have wrestling minds running the office. They should have locked down so many talents but they choose not to. They had the wrong people running the ship and making wrestling decisions.

This is not a knock on the booker, the wrestlers, or any of the talent that worked there. If the company that is funding ROH was not 100% into making it a full fledged wrestling company it was never going to work. They were happy at status quo. I always knew how much money Sinclair could bring to the table, and I never understood early on why they did not sign major names to contracts, or go after talent that was released that could draw and lock them under contract. It became clear to me that they would never be a solid wrestling company when it comes to making moves in the wrestling world.

They have had a TON of opportunities but let’s be honest the last time they had any buzz was for their MSG NY show and after that it was over. As soon as Cody and the Bucks left they were done. Even long before that I can’t really remember ever hearing anything like you have to see this amazing angle in ROH. They were running shows just to run shows. That Is not saying they were not trying and again this has zero to do with the workers who were probably killing it in the ring.

ROH was built on amazing wrestling matches but that could only go so far. You need storylines to draw and big ones to grow. I just felt that ROH existed on their name over the years and just presented steady quality wrestling shows but for what ever reason they never knew how to create a buzz for themselves. They never did out of the box ideas.

The pandemic effected every company but you can’t blame that for killing your own product. You can only point the blame on yourselves for all of the missed opportunities you had over the years. There was a ton of talent that got to have some great exposure over the last few years and they were able to earn a steady paycheck. I think most of the talent will land on their feet.

The indy scene is going to benefit because now there is a ton of fresh faces to book in 2022. For the sake of the wrestling business I would love to see ROH thrive again if they really do come back with a new business model. My only advice to them is to reinvent your entire company and go back to the basics. Bring in new talent and come up with some really creative angles and create a buzz because that is what ROH was based on.

Let’s be honest though, right now if you want any of that you have AEW. You’re not going to be able to compete with them. ROH needs to really come back with a different mindset and they have to be in it to win it. Being second best is boring and no fun. If you are competing and trying to be #1 and actually trying to grow your company fans will see that and follow your product as long as you give them a product to follow. If the fans see you are just trying to run shows for the sake of running shows, they will see right thru that too.

To coin a show that I named along with Doug Gentry and Gabe Sapolsky on May 31st 2003 now is the time for ROH to “Do or Die”



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GCW has already announced that they’re bringing in ROH World champion Bandido.



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srossi wrote: Original founder Rob Feinstein has commented:



Sinclair broadcasting has more money than Tony Kahn’s family and that is a fact.
Sorry, this is not a correct statement.  Sinclair's 'money' is tied up in assets that have been leveraged to the max with loans.  Their cash reserves were lost during the pandemic and after the data hack a few months ago they were hurt badly.  This is Feinstein trying to let people know how important he was to the business, nothing more than sour grapes.  Maybe ROH was mismanaged, but that's not the reason they are on hiatus.  They told the truth - they paid their talent through the pandemic.  But this "reimagining of the product" is simply that Sinclair is hurting right now and they can't be bothered trying to run ROH when they are having an extremely hard time running the business aspect.  They can show ROH repeats or best of shows in the time slots that run the program.   I wouldn't be surprised to hear by April that Sinclair is getting purchased by another media entity, or that ROH and it's tape vault got sold to another wrestling entity.



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Superstar wrote: srossi wrote: Original founder Rob Feinstein has commented:



Sinclair broadcasting has more money than Tony Kahn’s family and that is a fact.
Sorry, this is not a correct statement.  Sinclair's 'money' is tied up in assets that have been leveraged to the max with loans.  Their cash reserves were lost during the pandemic and after the data hack a few months ago they were hurt badly.  This is Feinstein trying to let people know how important he was to the business, nothing more than sour grapes.  Maybe ROH was mismanaged, but that's not the reason they are on hiatus.  They told the truth - they paid their talent through the pandemic.  But this "reimagining of the product" is simply that Sinclair is hurting right now and they can't be bothered trying to run ROH when they are having an extremely hard time running the business aspect.  They can show ROH repeats or best of shows in the time slots that run the program.   I wouldn't be surprised to hear by April that Sinclair is getting purchased by another media entity, or that ROH and it's tape vault got sold to another wrestling entity.

I don’t think he’s talking about now. He’s talking about at any other point in the last decade. 



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Meltzer reporting that when ROH returns in April they re just going to run like an indy and book whichever freelancers are available. Just like NWA is just three letters now, the same has happened to ROH.



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