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A jury has found Ghislaine Maxwell guilty on five of the six charges in her sex-trafficking trial.
Accused of procuring young girls for her former boyfriend and serial sex offender Jeffrey Epstein to abuse, Maxwell faced six counts — a conspiracy charge (for agreeing to do the crime) paired with a substantive charge (for committing the crime) for each of the following: enticing a minor to travel to engage in illegal sex acts, transporting a minor with the intent to engage in criminal sexual activity, and sex trafficking a minor. She was found guilty of all, except the second count, enticement of an individual under the age of 17 to travel with intent to engage in illegal sexual activity.
Maxwell will likely face decades in prison. Conspiracy to commit sex trafficking of minors charges carry a maximum of 40 years, while the other charges she faced carry potential prison terms of five to 10 years.




“I am so relieved and grateful that the jury recognized the pattern of predatory behavior that Maxwell engaged in for years and found her guilty of these crimes,” Annie Farmer, PhD — one of Epstein’s accusers and a witness in the case — said in a statement. “She has caused hurt to many more women than the few of us who had the chance to testify in the courtroom. I hope that this verdict brings solace to all who need it and demonstrates that no one is above the law. Even those with great power and privilege will be held accountable when they sexually abuse and exploit the young.”


The jury’s decision came after five full days of deliberation — spread over two weeks with a Christmas break in the middle — following 12 days of trial, much shorter than the originally estimated six weeks. The prosecution presented its case over two weeks starting Nov. 29. They called 24 witnesses, while the defense rested Dec. 17 after just two days and nine witnesses, including Eva Andersson-Dubin, a former girlfriend of Epstein’s. 
In their case, the state focused on alleged crimes between 1994 and 2004, during which time Maxwell, according to the indictment,  “assisted, facilitated, and contributed to Jeffrey Epstein’s abuse of minor girls by, among other things, helping Epstein to recruit, groom, and ultimately abuse victims known to Maxwell and Epstein to be under the age of 18.” 
Epstein and Maxwell used the guise of mentoring young girls to get close to them, the government claimed. One witness said Epstein had paid for her to attend a performing arts camp. Another said he had funded her travels abroad to enhance her resume for college. All the while, prosectuors said, Maxwell helped Epstein groom the children for sexual abuse.
In opening statements, Assistant U.S. Attorney Lara Pomerantz said Maxwell had been “essential to the scheme,” that her presence as an adult woman had lent Epstein’s overtures to young girls a “cover of respectability,” and helped ease the unwitting victims into a friendship with the two adults. The prosecution called Lisa Rochhio, a therapist and expert witness on childhood sexual assault, to describe the stages of grooming, whereby predators choose their victims, isolate them, earn their trust, and then normalize abuse. In testimony, witnesses told the jury how Maxwell had taken them shopping and talked to them about school, their family, and boyfriends. One said Maxwell had at first felt like a big sister to her, but soon began talking about sexual topics and later coached her on how to touch Epstein during sexualized massages — the main setting for abuse victims described. “It seemed very casual, like it was very normal, like it was not a big deal,” said the witness, who went by the pseudonym Jane.


The testimonies of four women formed the backbone of the government’s case. The women claimed they’d been abused by Epstein — with Maxwell’s help — when they were teenagers. Three of the women also told the jury Maxwell had touched their breasts. 
Jane, now a successful soap opera star, said she had turned 14 the summer she said Epstein and Maxwell approached her at Interlochen Summer Arts Camp in Michigan. The encounter was the beginning of several years of recurring abuse at Epstein’s Palm Beach, Florida, mansion, where she was compelled to give Epstein massages that turned sexual. She described him using a vibrator on her, and said Maxwell had instructed her to twist Epstein’s nipples during the abuse.
Carolyn, who used her first name only, was recruited at 14 to massage Epstein for money in Palm Beach by Virgina Giuffre, another of Epstein’s victims. Carolyn’s testimony presented an example of the “pyramid scheme of abuse” prosecutors described in their opening statements, whereby Epstein paid returning victims a finder’s fee for bringing in more young girls for him to abuse. A former Palm Beach household employee, Juan Alessi, also testified to being asked to drive Maxwell around to massage parlors, spas, and massage training schools in the region, supposedly so she could hire more massage therapists for Epstein. 
Farmer, the only accuser to testify using her full name, described meeting Epstein while visiting her sister in New York when she was 16 before being lured to his New Mexico ranch, where Maxwell coached her on how to rub Epstein’s feet while he groaned with pleasure and also gave Farmer a massage during which she rubbed her bare upper breasts. Epstein tried to cuddle her in her bed the next morning, but Farmer escaped to the bathroom and never saw the couple after that trip. Now a therapist with a PhD, Farmer said Epstein’s and Maxwell’s behavior felt like they were “working on confusing my boundaries” with the goal of further abusing her. The judge stipulated to the jury that the events Farmer described would not constitute “illegal sexual activity.
Kate — who also used a pseudonym — met Maxwell when she was 17 in London, where Maxwell told her her boyfriend was a philanthropist who could help with her singing career. Kate told jurors Maxwell had asked her to fill in for Epstein’s masseuse. During the massage, Epstein initiated sexual contact, and Kate described feeling “terrified and frozen.”  Because she was over the age of consent at the time, Judge Alison Nathan told the jury she could not be considered a victim in this case, but a witness nonetheless. “To the extent you conclude that her testimony is relevant to the issues before you,” Nathan said, “you may consider it.” 


In addition to accusers’ testimonies, prosecutors also questioned former Epstein staffers and private pilots, some of whom described Maxwell as Epstein’s “Number Two” and “the lady of the house.”  They shared evidence in the form of photos — of Epstein, his properties and jets, Maxwell, and victims — phone-message records, a household manual with detailed instructions for staff behavior, a little black book containing victims’ names, FedEx invoices, flight logs that included powerful passengers like Bill Clinton and Donald Trump, and bank records showing Epstein paid Maxwell $30.7 million during and shortly after the years of the abuse alleged by the four victims. 
During opening arguments, Maxwell’s attorney Bobbi Sternheim had said that this case was about “memory, manipulation, and money,” and she was right. Those themes recurred over and over throughout the trial.
The defense called their own memory expert, Elizabeth Loftus, a researcher of false memories notorious for defending the likes of Ted Bundy, Robert Durst, and Harvey Weinstein, to introduce doubt about the accusers’ testimonies. Loftus described how memories fade over time and can be corrupted by outside information. The prosecution cross-examined Loftus and got her to testify to the lasting quality of traumatic memories. “The core memories of a trauma event remain stronger, right?” Pomerantz asked. “I probably agree with that,” Loftus answered.

The defense returned repeatedly to the idea that the accusers had been manipulated — by their personal injury lawyers who represented them in civil lawsuits and helped them get payments from a compensation fund established by Epstein’s estate for victims; by “the media” both in their consumption of news and in their sharing of their stories in interviews; and by their own greed and desire for money which led them to lie on the stand. With that in mind, Maxwell’s attorneys grilled each accuser for inconsistencies in prior statements about their alleged abuse. “Did they demonstrate to you that their stories were credible” Menninger asked the jury about the accusers. “I submit to you that they did not.”


In an effort to distance Maxwell from Epstein, the defense also argued throughout the trial that Epstein had manipulated her the same way he did others in his orbit. “Everyone knew Jeffrey was keeping secrets from Ghislaine besides Ghislaine,” Laura Menninger said during closing statements. She added that Maxwell was on trial simply for “being with” Epstein. “Maybe that was the biggest mistake of her life,” Menninger said, echoing the defense’s sentiment that Maxwell was a scapegoat for Epstein. “But it was not a crime.”
The state claimed Epstein and Maxwell were the ones who did the manipulating, by luring in young girls to be “molested by a middle-aged man,” U.S. Attorney Alison Moe said during her closing statement. Moe added that as a wealthy couple, Maxwell and Epstein had used their power to target vulnerable kids. “It is not an accident that Jane and Kate and Carolyn and Annie came from single-parent households that were struggling in different ways,” Moe said. 
In closings, the prosecution also pointed to more than $30 million that Epstein had transferred to Maxwell, calling the payments “‘we molested kids together’ money.”
Maxwell attended the proceedings each day wearing a mask and a sweater, often a turtleneck. She would hug and kiss her lawyers in greeting, and beside the attorneys at a wide table. She’d leaning over to consult with them, and took notes during testimony. She showed agitation sometimes, running her fingers through her hair and taking her glasses on and off, but little emotion otherwise. One day, she drew the courtroom sketch artist. Despite a recent trend of high-profile defendants testifying on their own behalf — Kyle Rittenhouse, Elizabeth Holmes, Kim Potter — Maxwell did not take the stand. The only time she addressed the court, it was to say she would not testify. “Your honor, the government has not proven its case beyond a reasonable doubt, so there is no need for me to testify,” she told the judge. The jury was not in the room at the time. 

Trial represented one of the last avenues for victims of Epstein’s abuse to seek justice, since Epstein died by suicide in August 2019 while awaiting his own sex-trafficking trial in a New York jail. Maxwell’s defense took advantage of the unavoidable connection to Epstein to claim she was only on trial because the real criminal was dead and that she was being blamed “for his sins.”



















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Fantastic. Now when do we get Bill & Hil, Trump Senior and Junior, Beyonce and Jay-Z, you get my drift.



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Oh yeah, have you guys seen that Kourtney Kardashian has gotten matching tattoos with Travis Barker? No? Well look over here.......over here........nevermind this Maxwell stuff, that's done and over. Look at this shiny object over here. NOW ya got it.


This will be out of the news cycle within 24 hours. I think the only reason we heard anything at all was it was at the top of every Reddit conspiracy sub.



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That's some good news.

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It’s funny how some of these people get nailed and others don’t. Like the Prince.

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I think the story will have more legs in Britain, where you've got a perv royal (Andrew) involved in civil litigation. People used to laugh at the shit he did but attitudes have rightly changed; it wouldn't surprise me a bit if Buckingham Palace annouces that Andrew has quietly passed away in his sleep very soon.



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In something that almost resembles an actual punishment, the Queen has stripped Prince Andrew of his military titles and he is no longer to be referred to as His Royal Highness. Oh the humanity!



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srossi wrote: In something that almost resembles an actual punishment, the Queen has stripped Prince Andrew of his military titles and he is no longer to be referred to as His Royal Highness. Oh the humanity!

QEII has only a short time left on earth, and compared to the rest of the royal family she's a paragon of tact and common sense.  Once she's gone, I can't see the institution lasting much longer.



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KGB wrote: srossi wrote: In something that almost resembles an actual punishment, the Queen has stripped Prince Andrew of his military titles and he is no longer to be referred to as His Royal Highness. Oh the humanity!

QEII has only a short time left on earth, and compared to the rest of the royal family she's a paragon of tact and common sense.  Once she's gone, I can't see the institution lasting much longer.
Agreed, but I'd like to hear the Brits on here weigh in on how they are seen over there at this stage. They would know better on what the vibe around the Royals there is.



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I'm not British but we get the British news as much as the Irish news so my take is:
 Prince William and his wife seems very popular and he's next in line after Charles (who will take over when the current Queen dies).

Price Harry (who I think it's about 5th or 6th in line) used to be popular but a lot of the people who would have cared enough to like him seem to look at him as having turned his back on them when he married his wife, retired from ' official life' (or whatever its called, he has certainly not retired from public life).
I don't think most people give a shit one way or the other but there is a core of people who do care about the royal family. 
I don't think the monarchy will end in the lifetime of anyone reading this today. 

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Jim_Irish wrote:
I don't think the monarchy will end in the lifetime of anyone reading this today. 


The role of the royal family will be greatly diminished once the Queen dies. All but the most elderly of people alive today have ever known a different monarch. Look to see most other countries follow the recent example of the Bahamas and ditching the Queen as head of state, especially the bigger countries of Canada, Australia and New Zealand. One by one, things that people looked the Queen for, they won't look to King Charles for. They might try abdications so that the ruling monarch isn't always a geriatric, but the days of the royal family being everywhere like the 1980s are long gone. Scottish independence and a united Ireland will come in the next decade or so, and the royal family will continue, but more in line with the Scandinavian or Dutch royal families who have a very minor role in public life.



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Yes it is greatly diminished already compared to 30 years ago. And I'd forgotten about the so-callled commonwealth countries , where I don't think the British monarchy has any relevance.


Id still rekon there will be more attention on British King or Queen than the others you mentioned, mainly because of the media in I'm the UK. But as far as actual importance or influence, it's dwindled a lot since the 80s and will continue to. 

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Jim_Irish wrote: Yes it is greatly diminished already compared to 30 years ago. And I'd forgotten about the so-callled commonwealth countries , where I don't think the British monarchy has any relevance. 
For example, all coins currently in circulation in Australia, New Zealand and Canada feature the Queen's head. I'd be very surprised if they re-minted all the coins with Charles' head when she dies. There are many other countries that also feature the Queen's head on their bank notes, coins and postage stamps. Many countries will look to cut ties with the Queen all together, as the colonial days are looked on less and less favourably as time goes by. The Queen is currently queen of 15 different countries, and while it doesn't affect the day to day of ordinary people, there is definitely a constitutional significance. Even the seemingly innocuous task of changing every "Her Majesty's" to "His Majesty's" will chip away at the popularity of the monarchy. The younger royals seem to shun the limelight compared to the previous generation, and this will make them less interesting as celebrities. With Elizabeth dead and Andrew in disgrace, I think we'll see the end sooner than you think. It'll live on as a novelty for tourists. Some rich people from a one powerful family who used to live in a castle that they now can't afford.



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Kriss wrote: Jim_Irish wrote: Yes it is greatly diminished already compared to 30 years ago. And I'd forgotten about the so-callled commonwealth countries , where I don't think the British monarchy has any relevance. 
For example, all coins currently in circulation in Australia, New Zealand and Canada feature the Queen's head. I'd be very surprised if they re-minted all the coins with Charles' head when she dies.

Considering this Queen has been around since the 1700s or so, that would be like replacing Washington on the dollar bill with Biden.  I'm pretty sure she's the one that Washington personally told to fuck off, actually.  I'm sure they're just going to commemorate this old biddy out of respect and because it's all anyone knows. 

I don't see what real power the throne has had in a century though.  All the news I've ever heard coming out of England on major stories whether it's terrorism or Covid or whatever are from the PM.  Over here we know that disheveled fat homeless person Boris Johnson, and Tony Blair and of course Margaret Thatcher got a ton of publicity.  There have been some lesser ones in between who I knew at the time.  I can't recall one thing the Queen has actually done or said, aside from a ceremonial statement or something related to the Royal Family itself. 



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khawk wroteAgreed, but I'd like to hear the Brits on here weigh in on how they are seen over there at this stage. They would know better on what the vibe around the Royals there is.
There is frankly next to no call for abolition of the royal family.  There is a republican movement but it's tiny and no mainstream political party is interested in the issue.
The Windsors are actually pretty good at making sure they're fit to survive in the next generations.  Hence all the children have military service, they're all associated with charities, they all avoid political statements, they have occasional nudge statements on contemporary issues.  They got rid of Edward VIII when it looked likely he was going to be a total embarrassment.  The Duke of Clarence was basically hidden given he was an inbred buffoon.  Even the name Windsor was a PR move because the royal house of Saxe-Coburg-Gotha looked a bit weird when we were fighting the Germans.



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