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 Posted: Fri Jan 14th, 2022 06:56 pm
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I don't see what real power the throne has had in a century though.  All the news I've ever heard coming out of England on major stories whether it's terrorism or Covid or whatever are from the PM.  Over here we know that disheveled fat homeless person Boris Johnson, and Tony Blair and of course Margaret Thatcher got a ton of publicity.  There have been some lesser ones in between who I knew at the time.  I can't recall one thing the Queen has actually done or said, aside from a ceremonial statement or something related to the Royal Family itself. 
That's the nature of a constitutional monarchy and is the same in the other European monarchies.  Also many of the European republics have as the head of state someone who is symbolic and not party-political.  E.g. the one who is head of the German government is the Chancellor, not the President; Italy and Ireland both have figurehead Presidents and head of government Prime Ministers.  The US and France are outliers in having both offices in an elected President.
In truth we will never know where the Queen has power.  The monarch technically can veto any bill going through Parliament and they only enter law once the Queen has signed (or authorized signature of) it.  But the last time a monarch used that power was 1708.  If it happened again it would be a constitutional crisis.
So that sort of thing might be done behind the scenes.  When the Liberal Government in 1910 couldn't get its budget through the House of Lords (at that time, all hereditary peers, and it had a right of veto as well), the Prime Minister asked the king - George V - to use his power to make up enough peers to override the existing ones.  He said he would do so, if there were another general election to prove that the Liberals were popular.  There was and they won by a landslide.  The House of Lords gave way rather than have a load of liberal oiks appointed as peers.



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 Posted: Fri Jan 14th, 2022 07:14 pm
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kargol wrote:The monarch technically can veto any bill going through Parliament and they only enter law once the Queen has signed (or authorized signature of) it.  But the last time a monarch used that power was 1708.  If it happened again it would be a constitutional crisis.

It's absolutely stunning that that override power is still on the books.  As you say, it could never actually be used in modern society, and I'm sure no sane person would attempt to.  But of course if you got the wrong person on the throne who craved political power instead of just fabulous wealth and pomp, I wonder what action could be taken from stopping that person from taking over the country politically.  They should work with the Queen to get rid of that while she's still alive in case it's harder to once it becomes a problem.  You can't have an unelected official have that kind of power in a democracy in the 21st century, nor could you have had that in the 20th or 19th centuries for that matter.



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Wow, 1708? the year after the Act of Union. I would have guessed it was used - sparingly - into the 19th Century.



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 Posted: Fri Jan 14th, 2022 07:33 pm
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Thanks kargol. I knew someone in the UK with direct exposure to it and to them could provide some clarity. I pay next to no attention to them as I’m sure most do save for the tabloid headlines that they get.



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Meanwhile, Prince Andrew is no longer "His Royal Highness".



https://www.ctvnews.ca/world/prince-andrew-loses-royal-and-military-links-no-longer-his-royal-highness-1.5738766

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 Posted: Fri Jan 14th, 2022 08:40 pm
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srossi wrote: kargol wrote:It's absolutely stunning that that override power is still on the books.  As you say, it could never actually be used in modern society, and I'm sure no sane person would attempt to.  But of course if you got the wrong person on the throne who craved political power instead of just fabulous wealth and pomp, I wonder what action could be taken from stopping that person from taking over the country politically. 
The royals are too smart for that because they know that the wrong person could be the end of them.  The notion of duty is pretty much bred into them.  Prince Edward is the least martial person on the planet yet was pressganged into the Marines. 

And there was, in essence, a Parliamentary coup to remove Edward VIII.  Even then he voluntarily stepped down from the throne.  The last time in history there was such a conflict - and of course in 1708 the electorate was basically the toffs - was 1688, when King James II fled into exile after the country rose against him, and Parliament and the Judiciary ruled that that was an abdication.  Technically he never formally agreed that he had abdicated and the Jacobites recognized him, his son, grandson, and great-grandson as the rightful kings of England and Scotland (the line more or less ran out then).



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