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 Posted: Sun Jan 16th, 2022 02:20 am
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I was thinking this was due more to covid.

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 Posted: Sun Jan 16th, 2022 02:24 am
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Papa Voo wrote: I was thinking this was due more to covid.

it's a piece for sure but it's just one of many. 



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Franchise wrote: Papa Voo wrote: Franchise wrote: gwlee7 wrote: And, capitalists always love a “free market” until it works against them. Supply and demand and all that. Pay some one to work and they’ll show up.

A lot of industries will pay in the short term, but it will speed up automation because some things are only worth so much and it will be "automate or go out of business". 

I think as a nation we got sloppy and expected things to be way too accessible and I think when we come out of this, we are going to see a lot less fast-food options, 24hr stores and slower amazon turnaround time amongst other things. 


Do you really think that about slower turnaround times?  I see that as a competition point in the market. I see that actually improving. 



I'm seeing more and more delays with Amazon, USPS & UPS post-Christmas then I ever have before.

These companies can only pay so much to drivers, sorters and loaders before it becomes cheaper to push it a day. It's not like we the end user can bill the delivery service because our most recent purchase was delivered a day late.  

Jeff Bezo’s net worth increased by $4.5 billion in 2021.  
https://www.scmp.com/news/world/united-states-canada/article/3161831/wealth-worlds-10-richest-ballooned-us402-billion#:~:text=His%20closest%20competitor%20and%20fellow,since%20this%20time%20last%20year.



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gwlee7 wrote: Franchise wrote: Papa Voo wrote: Franchise wrote: gwlee7 wrote: And, capitalists always love a “free market” until it works against them. Supply and demand and all that. Pay some one to work and they’ll show up.

A lot of industries will pay in the short term, but it will speed up automation because some things are only worth so much and it will be "automate or go out of business". 

I think as a nation we got sloppy and expected things to be way too accessible and I think when we come out of this, we are going to see a lot less fast-food options, 24hr stores and slower amazon turnaround time amongst other things. 


Do you really think that about slower turnaround times?  I see that as a competition point in the market. I see that actually improving. 



I'm seeing more and more delays with Amazon, USPS & UPS post-Christmas then I ever have before.

These companies can only pay so much to drivers, sorters and loaders before it becomes cheaper to push it a day. It's not like we the end user can bill the delivery service because our most recent purchase was delivered a day late.  

Jeff Bezo’s net worth increased by $4.5 billion in 2021.  
https://www.scmp.com/news/world/united-states-canada/article/3161831/wealth-worlds-10-richest-ballooned-us402-billion#:~:text=His%20closest%20competitor%20and%20fellow,since%20this%20time%20last%20year.



The redistribution of wealth everyone was clamoring for. 



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I find it odd that so many people think that having all of the world’s wealth concentrated in the hands of a very few people is ok. It doesn’t trickle down. Wealth is being extracted.



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 Posted: Sun Jan 16th, 2022 09:14 pm
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Franchise wrote: gwlee7 wrote: Franchise wrote: Papa Voo wrote: Franchise wrote: gwlee7 wrote: And, capitalists always love a “free market” until it works against them. Supply and demand and all that. Pay some one to work and they’ll show up.

A lot of industries will pay in the short term, but it will speed up automation because some things are only worth so much and it will be "automate or go out of business". 

I think as a nation we got sloppy and expected things to be way too accessible and I think when we come out of this, we are going to see a lot less fast-food options, 24hr stores and slower amazon turnaround time amongst other things. 


Do you really think that about slower turnaround times?  I see that as a competition point in the market. I see that actually improving. 



I'm seeing more and more delays with Amazon, USPS & UPS post-Christmas then I ever have before.

These companies can only pay so much to drivers, sorters and loaders before it becomes cheaper to push it a day. It's not like we the end user can bill the delivery service because our most recent purchase was delivered a day late.  

Jeff Bezo’s net worth increased by $4.5 billion in 2021.  
https://www.scmp.com/news/world/united-states-canada/article/3161831/wealth-worlds-10-richest-ballooned-us402-billion#:~:text=His%20closest%20competitor%20and%20fellow,since%20this%20time%20last%20year.



The redistribution of wealth everyone was clamoring for. 

You mean shutting down everything and making everyone stay home made Amazon even more powerful?  Didn't see that coming. 



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Two things stick out to me here

1) How are these people who aren't/refusing to work because of pay paying their bills and rent/mortgage? Don't these fuckers need to make some money to, you know, live?

2) I think right now you're going to start seeing a huge increase in automatons in businesses that can afford them- a lot of what were entry level jobs, like fast food workers, will be obsolete because the franchisee isn't going to pay $15-$20 hr in the long term. So right now it looks like there will be changes, but I think its just a matter of time before the owners of the large corps decide to fuck it all and invest in the future and only have a small skeleton crew of actual people working



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wittman2 wrote: Two things stick out to me here

1) How are these people who aren't/refusing to work because of pay paying their bills and rent/mortgage? Don't these fuckers need to make some money to, you know, live?

Rent moratoriums added to the fact that it's almost impossible to evict in many states under the best of circumstances, much less now.  People have gotten used to free money and not having to pay their own bills, and then everyone wonders no one will go back to work.  So in short, no, only the middle class have to actually worry about paying bills these days. 



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I have a job where I can't 'work from home'. I'm getting murdered.

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Some of it comes down to $$$. For RN's now, the combination of a bunch retiring earlier than usual, and new grads churning out at @ 20% less than in the past (due to less clinical instructors and availability of placements) it's allowed the remaining RN's to give their employers the finger if they don't put out more $$$. No one is going to take on the extra work load we've seen the past 2 years for the same shitty COLA raises. Since we know that there are less new grads coming out for the foreseeable future, you force the employer to cough up more $$$ or leave for an easier job outside the industry.

WHen I sat with the CEO of our hospital a week ago it was probably a good thing I had on my mask, because her rehearsed speech answers were laughable. She asked me if I had any thoughts on how to retain new staff, and I told her to pay us better. No one gives a shit about loyalty to the employer now that this has happened. It's down to pay and staffing ratios. If you're not going to pay as well as the other hospitals, you better make sure your staff to patient ratio is lower, or there's no point in staying. So far I think that' the only thing that's keeping most of the staff from leaving. On my unit we're supposed to run 4:1 with a tech on days and 5:1 at nights. We stretch to 5:1 and 6:1 when we're short with the charge taking a full load. Elsewhere the higher payday comes with taking 6 patients and no tech. I'd have pissed off a while ago if the ratio's were equivalent elsewhere.

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So Raditch, what you are saying is ‘Thank Yous don’t pay the bills’

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Pretty much. I don't care about award's or free pizza or the latest " gift " a yeti coffee mug. Right now our raises vary depending on scores at work. The difference between being the highest rated at 5, or being average at 3.1-4.9 is 0.5%. So in effect if I'm barely above getting fired at 3.1 I only get 0.5 % less than working my ass off. It works out to less than 1 shifts pay in the end. There's no incentive for me to go full out to get a 4.9 rating and get the same raise as the person who screws around. There's really no incentive for me to try and get a 5 rating with the piddly difference.

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Principal_Raditch wrote: Pretty much. I don't care about award's or free pizza or the latest " gift " a yeti coffee mug. Right now our raises vary depending on scores at work. The difference between being the highest rated at 5, or being average at 3.1-4.9 is 0.5%. So in effect if I'm barely above getting fired at 3.1 I only get 0.5 % less than working my ass off. It works out to less than 1 shifts pay in the end. There's no incentive for me to go full out to get a 4.9 rating and get the same raise as the person who screws around. There's really no incentive for me to try and get a 5 rating with the piddly difference.

As someone who has experience dealing with HR departments on pay deals I know they loved to talk about how pay wasn't *that* important or wasn't the be all and end all, but that they wanted to engage with staff in more productive ways, increase ways for staff to 'develop', and a lot of other bullshit. I think they have severely overestimated how much people miss the office. It was true, for while and for a lot of people. But that was nearly two years ago. And company loyalty and team spririt or whatever you want to call it is down the shitter too.

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The bar and restaurant trade has been shut or curtailed for nearly 2 years now. Hiring is going to be difficult. It has been difficult with each reopening/easing or restrictions. The main reason is it's a reasonably low paying job with bad hours. The government here decided to give €350 (about €400) a week to everyone who was out of work due to covid related closures. This included a student doing a night a week in a bar who might have made €100 normally. Plenty of full time bar staff would not have earned €350 a week anyway. 
Not hard to see why people will be reluctant to go back to working in bars and night clubs if and when things are back to normal. 

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I was at Walmart yesterday, a place I despise. I know different Walmarts have different levels of cleanliness, safety, etc. This particular one, about ten minutes from our house, is an absolute shithole. I joke that it's the 7th circle of hell. Parking lot is shady as fuck, people sitting in their cars (cars, by the way, always backed into the parking spot...ALWAYS), place stinks like weed, customers cussing at each other, employees cussing at each other. Demographics, it's largely African American with a little bit of hispanic thrown in. I had to look at three or four things (batteries, protein powder (didn't have what I needed), vitamins, kid wanted me to check if they had new Pokemon cards)...

So, I'm walking around the store yesterday, about 3pm on a Monday (I had the day off), place is fucking packed, and I'm watching these people and thinking, how in god's name are they finding money to pay for any of this shit they're buying? These people looked to me to be largely unemployable, unless you're talking about the most menial of menial jobs like scrubbing toilets or digging ditches. I have no idea where these people are getting money from.



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