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Mustafa Ali posted a brief video message saying he has a message to deliver that is bigger than wrestling and he won’t be able to do it while with WWE, so he respectfully requests his release. WWE has not responded but I can’t imagine them reacting well to the way this was broadcast. 

Ali was last used in October when he and Mansoor split.  Mansoor handily won the feud with victories in Saudi Arabia and on Smackdown. Ali then was squashed by Drew McIntyre a week later and has been MIA ever since. 

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srossi wrote: Mustafa Ali posted a brief video message saying he has a message to deliver that is bigger than wrestling and he won’t be able to do it while with WWE, so he respectfully requests his release. WWE has not responded but I can’t imagine them reacting well to the way this was broadcast. 

Ali was last used in October when he and Mansoor split.  Mansoor handily won the feud with victories in Saudi Arabia and on Smackdown. Ali then was squashed by Drew McIntyre a week later and has been MIA ever since. 

Mansoor hasn't done much more since. At least on TV. Battle royals and tag team with Cesaro that seems like it was two names drawn from a hat.

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Kriss wrote: srossi wrote: Mustafa Ali posted a brief video message saying he has a message to deliver that is bigger than wrestling and he won’t be able to do it while with WWE, so he respectfully requests his release. WWE has not responded but I can’t imagine them reacting well to the way this was broadcast. 

Ali was last used in October when he and Mansoor split.  Mansoor handily won the feud with victories in Saudi Arabia and on Smackdown. Ali then was squashed by Drew McIntyre a week later and has been MIA ever since. 

Mansoor hasn't done much more since. At least on TV. Battle royals and tag team with Cesaro that seems like it was two names drawn from a hat.

Mansoor is only there to win 3 times a year in Saudi Arabia. 

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Given all the recent injuries, and the probable release of Mustafa Ali, the Smackdown roster is looking a little thin right now.

Smackdown
1)        Roman Reigns (Universal Champion)
2)        Shinsuke Nakamura (w/Rick Boogs) (Intercontinental Champion)
3)        Happy Corbin (w/Madcap Moss)
4)        Sheamus
5)        Cesaro
6)        Ricochet
7)        Kofi Kingston
8)        Sami Zayn
9)        Mansoor
10)      Drew Gulak
11)      Mace
 
Injured – Drew McIntyre
Injured – Xavier Woods
Injured – Ridge Holland                                                                                                                                                                                                                      
 
Women
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2)        Shayna Baszler
3)        Shotzi
4)        Natalya
5)        Naomi
6)        Xia Li
7)        Aliyah 
Injured – Sasha Banks
 

Smackdown Tag Team
1)        The Usos (Smackdown Tag Team Champions)
2)        Viking Raiders
3)        Los Lotharios (Humberto Carrillo/Angel Garza)
4)        Jinder Mahal/Shanky

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Sean Ross of Fightful reports:

As Ali revealed weeks ago, there was a vignette filmed for a Mustafa Ali “New America” gimmick that looked promising for the star. According to those in the know, initially the character was accepted, before those in power in WWE changed their mind. We’re told that in its place, there was a pitch from Vince McMahon for “something Mustafa Ali would never have done,” and it led to a heated argument between the two. Ali hasn’t been around since.

This led to Ali asking for a few shows off, and Vince granted the request and then basically never had him come back. With no plan in sight for his return, Ali finally asked for his release publicly. 

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Are the injuries on Smackdown the reason why Seth Rollins showed up on Smackdown? I thought Smackdown wrestlers stay on Smackdown and Raw wrestlers stay on Raw.

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Benlen wrote:
Are the injuries on Smackdown the reason why Seth Rollins showed up on Smackdown? I thought Smackdown wrestlers stay on Smackdown and Raw wrestlers stay on Raw.


You are correct. Raw and SmackDown Superstars only meet on one night of the year, Survivor Series. That's what makes it so special.

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Sean Ross reports that WWE is adamant that they will not let Ali out of his contract, and he has as many as 3 years left which does not deplete until he ends his work stoppage, so essentially he has to give in or retire.  Ali is already 35 and any sort of long holdout will pretty much take him to 40 before he’s a free agent, so he’s kind of screwed. Ross says WWE is fully prepared to play hardball with him.  

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Benlen wrote:
Are the injuries on Smackdown the reason why Seth Rollins showed up on Smackdown? I thought Smackdown wrestlers stay on Smackdown and Raw wrestlers stay on Raw.
Outrageous! This makes a mockery of the draft! 

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srossi wrote: Sean Ross reports that WWE is adamant that they will not let Ali out of his contract, and he has as many as 3 years left which does not deplete until he ends his work stoppage, so essentially he has to give in or retire.  Ali is already 35 and any sort of long holdout will pretty much take him to 40 before he’s a free agent, so he’s kind of screwed. Ross says WWE is fully prepared to play hardball with him.  
If they stick to this, it will make it hard for them to justify any more roster cuts in the next 3 years.

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Kriss wrote: srossi wrote: Sean Ross reports that WWE is adamant that they will not let Ali out of his contract, and he has as many as 3 years left which does not deplete until he ends his work stoppage, so essentially he has to give in or retire.  Ali is already 35 and any sort of long holdout will pretty much take him to 40 before he’s a free agent, so he’s kind of screwed. Ross says WWE is fully prepared to play hardball with him.  
If they stick to this, it will make it hard for them to justify any more roster cuts in the next 3 years.

When have they ever justified anything?  They'll do what they want to do, and no way Vince will still own the company or likely even be alive in 3 years.

The terms of WWE contracts are so outrageous that I really don't know how, in 2022 and with all the labor laws around today and under the scrutiny of people like Andrew Yang, this is allowed to continue.  You're an "independent contractor" who has to do exactly what the company says, they can release you at any time, you can't leave unless they let you, and if you get injured or have a labor dispute your contract is frozen until you can work again.  I can't think of another human being in the free world who works under the conditions of a WWE Superstar.  Kim Jong-un would be like, "That's a little harsh."    

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They have treated people terribly over the years but lately it's reached new lows. Hiring people, getting them to move, letting them go. These contracts can't be legal, they are so one sided.

They've got WALTER to finally move to the USA, they'll fire him within a year too.

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Jim_Irish wrote: They have treated people terribly over the years but lately it's reached new lows. Hiring people, getting them to move, letting them go. These contracts can't be legal, they are so one sided.

They've got WALTER to finally move to the USA, they'll fire him within a year too.

This has always been my suspicion as to why NXT UK has never seen any releases. Employment law is very lax in the US, and heavily weighted towards the employer. 

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Yes, employment law in the USA cannot compare to basically anywhere in Europe. But even still the WWE contracts seem even more one sided. You're an independent contractor who is tied to a contract which the employer can terminate for no reason at any point. Plus there's a nong compete clause. Plus they get other image rights etc. Plus they either own or stop you using twitter, YouTube etc for monetary gain, did I read that?

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It's very hard to get fired in Europe. And if it's not done completely by the book and the person who's fired takes a case they will win 9 times out of 10.

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I should say in Ireland, it may vary a bit from country to country in Europe. But I know Ireland and the employment laws.

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Why the hell would Vince or anybody else in WWE take a hardline stand with Mustafa Ali? He is meaningless to their roster. He's never drawn a dime and is not over, at least from what I can tell because I don't even know who the hell he is - and if he was over, I would at least be able to picture him and his wrestling style in my head. Bray Wyatt and Braun Strowman may have been expensive, injury prone, even headcases if you are so inclined to call them that. But they were way over and people came to see them perform. Mustafa Ali isn't getting people to subscribe to Peacock or buy tickets to the live events. So just let the guy go. He won't be going to AEW or anywhere else to be a main eventer.

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Superstar wrote: Why the hell would Vince or anybody else in WWE take a hardline stand with Mustafa Ali? He is meaningless to their roster. He's never drawn a dime and is not over, at least from what I can tell because I don't even know who the hell he is - and if he was over, I would at least be able to picture him and his wrestling style in my head. Bray Wyatt and Braun Strowman may have been expensive, injury prone, even headcases if you are so inclined to call them that. But they were way over and people came to see them perform. Mustafa Ali isn't getting people to subscribe to Peacock or buy tickets to the live events. So just let the guy go. He won't be going to AEW or anywhere else to be a main eventer.
A number of things.  First, he yelled at Vince and called his ideas dumb (and reading between the lines, probably racist).  You don't do that.  Second, he publicly asked for his release.  You don't do that.  And third, even though you might not know who he is, he's extremely popular amongst his peers and is considered to have major talent if used properly.  He's a lock to go to AEW and possibly in a major capacity.  He has a lot of friends there, and everyone in the WWE locker room felt he should've been a star too.  He's on the short list of guys who everyone in the business thinks has breakout potential.  He was on his way a couple of times, but my God even by WWE standards his booking was bad.

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srossi wrote: Superstar wrote: Why the hell would Vince or anybody else in WWE take a hardline stand with Mustafa Ali? He is meaningless to their roster. He's never drawn a dime and is not over, at least from what I can tell because I don't even know who the hell he is - and if he was over, I would at least be able to picture him and his wrestling style in my head. Bray Wyatt and Braun Strowman may have been expensive, injury prone, even headcases if you are so inclined to call them that. But they were way over and people came to see them perform. Mustafa Ali isn't getting people to subscribe to Peacock or buy tickets to the live events. So just let the guy go. He won't be going to AEW or anywhere else to be a main eventer.
A number of things.  First, he yelled at Vince and called his ideas dumb (and reading between the lines, probably racist).  You don't do that.  Second, he publicly asked for his release.  You don't do that.  And third, even though you might not know who he is, he's extremely popular amongst his peers and is considered to have major talent if used properly.  He's a lock to go to AEW and possibly in a major capacity.  He has a lot of friends there, and everyone in the WWE locker room felt he should've been a star too.  He's on the short list of guys who everyone in the business thinks has breakout potential.  He was on his way a couple of times, but my God even by WWE standards his booking was bad.
Well then I guess it's on me for not knowing who the hell he is.  It just blows my mind that somebody that you say can get over in AEW with the top guys cannot break through on the WWE main roster.  Yeah, I know it's not unprecedented, but still...all the guys before this I had an idea of who they are.  I just looked him up - he's 35!  Has he been bouncing around for years on the indies, or did he just start up late?  Again, saw his pic on Wikipedia, no fucking clue who this guy is and he looks like "generic long haired jobber" to me.

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Interested to see how a court could hold up a restrictive covenant against an independent contractor.

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Superstar wrote: srossi wrote: Superstar wrote: Why the hell would Vince or anybody else in WWE take a hardline stand with Mustafa Ali? He is meaningless to their roster. He's never drawn a dime and is not over, at least from what I can tell because I don't even know who the hell he is - and if he was over, I would at least be able to picture him and his wrestling style in my head. Bray Wyatt and Braun Strowman may have been expensive, injury prone, even headcases if you are so inclined to call them that. But they were way over and people came to see them perform. Mustafa Ali isn't getting people to subscribe to Peacock or buy tickets to the live events. So just let the guy go. He won't be going to AEW or anywhere else to be a main eventer.
A number of things.  First, he yelled at Vince and called his ideas dumb (and reading between the lines, probably racist).  You don't do that.  Second, he publicly asked for his release.  You don't do that.  And third, even though you might not know who he is, he's extremely popular amongst his peers and is considered to have major talent if used properly.  He's a lock to go to AEW and possibly in a major capacity.  He has a lot of friends there, and everyone in the WWE locker room felt he should've been a star too.  He's on the short list of guys who everyone in the business thinks has breakout potential.  He was on his way a couple of times, but my God even by WWE standards his booking was bad.
Well then I guess it's on me for not knowing who the hell he is.  It just blows my mind that somebody that you say can get over in AEW with the top guys cannot break through on the WWE main roster.  Yeah, I know it's not unprecedented, but still...all the guys before this I had an idea of who they are.  I just looked him up - he's 35!  Has he been bouncing around for years on the indies, or did he just start up late?  Again, saw his pic on Wikipedia, no fucking clue who this guy is and he looks like "generic long haired jobber" to me.

I'm not sure why you're surprised that someone can't break through on the main roster.  If Finn Balor, Cesaro, Samoa Joe, Ricochet, and so many others can't, why would he?

As far as the other stuff, he was a late bloomer.  He was a cop in Chicago and I think moonlighted as a wrestler.  He started in 2005, but I don't think that was full-time.  He's the rare case of a guy having very little indy buzz pre-WWE, and then getting the buzz once he was in the system despite never being used well.  I first heard of him when he was selected for the Cruiserweight Classic.  He mostly skipped NXT and went straight to the main roster through 205 Live, where he got himself over at first before they put the kibbosh on him.  But everyone from the midwesrt indy scene knows and loves him: CM Punk, Colt Cabana, Silas Young, Chris Hero, etc.  He traveled all those roads and they think he's great.   

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Turning ugly on social media. #FreeAli was trending this weekend and many fans were tweeting that hashtag directly to WWE accounts. This led @WWEonFOX to start blocking fans who did it, and Mustafa Ali himself then reacted to this by blocking @WWEonFOX and sharing the screenshot with his supporters, writing "oh, word? don’t worry, i gotchu". So everyone is handling this very maturely.

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Ali tweeted: “no, i would not like to be in rumble. i would like my release.”

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Things don’t seem to be going well. Ali tweeted “I’ll see you all in like 2 1/2 years.”  They release people who would kill to stay there and refuse to release people who are desperate to go. 

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That’s always been a big part of Vince’s strange personality. He rejects those who cater to him unconditionally yet goes out of his way to somehow connect with those who don’t. Apart from a few notable exceptions, such as Randy Savage, he’s made up with everyone he’s had a huge falling out with, including people like The Ultimate Warrior and Bret Hart with whom the relationships seemed damaged beyond repair. There isn’t the personal connection with Vince and Ali but it feels like a variation on the theme.

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He returned to Raw tonight. Wasn’t expecting that.

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srossi wrote: He returned to Raw tonight. Wasn’t expecting that.

And did anyone even care?

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cookie32723 wrote: srossi wrote: He returned to Raw tonight. Wasn’t expecting that.

And did anyone even care?
Outside of his family & a few close friends, probably not.



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