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Jim_Irish wrote: I thought Shane in the Royal Rumble was disgraceful. He might have lasted only a few minutes but he was booked (again) to look like he could compete with actual wrestlers like Owens and Riddle. 

How is that different from any other time he's wrestled?  He's not going to be brought in as a surprise entrant to get killed.  This is Vince's call.  If he didn't want Shane wrestling, he wouldn't be wrestling.  The plan was to have him in a competitive environment in the elimination chamber for God's sake!  And then he was supposed to wrestle Seth Rollins at WM!

All signs lead to Vince having lost control of the company, despite still micro-managing.  Like take some fucking responsibility.  Maybe Shane is a total dick that day, but how does he get fired for putting himself over when Vince clearly wanted that and had long-term main event plans for him.  And Vince re-wrote the show a million times, so he could've nixed anything at any time. 

I would never feel sorry for a McMahon, but what's happening to Shane, Stephanie, and HHH is almost like a home health aid worker manipulating an Alzheimer's patient to cut all ties to family and change the will.  And Nick Khan seems like that guy.



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srossi wrote: In other news, Meltzer is now reporting that Tyson Kidd did NOT produce the Women’s Rumble, a decision that led at least one talent from refusing to compete in it and others to complain. Kidd has been responsible for the women’s division for several years and is very respected, but his role has been reduced within the division. Many say he’s been the unsung here of the Women’s Revolution after Fit Finlay left.


I saw reports that Finlay was asked to come back and help produce the Women's Rumble, apparently aware that Tyson Kidd would not be available.  There are plenty of selfies and group pics from this weekend with Fit on various social media accounts.  The forbidden door was wedged open with a shillelagh.

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One Fan Gang wrote: srossi wrote: In other news, Meltzer is now reporting that Tyson Kidd did NOT produce the Women’s Rumble, a decision that led at least one talent from refusing to compete in it and others to complain. Kidd has been responsible for the women’s division for several years and is very respected, but his role has been reduced within the division. Many say he’s been the unsung here of the Women’s Revolution after Fit Finlay left.


I saw reports that Finlay was asked to come back and help produce the Women's Rumble, apparently aware that Tyson Kidd would not be available.  There are plenty of selfies and group pics from this weekend with Fit on various social media accounts.  The forbidden door was wedged open with a shillelagh.

My understanding is that Fit was one of the furloughed employees from Covid who was never fired.  He still technically works for WWE, he just hasn't been around.



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srossi wrote: One Fan Gang wrote: srossi wrote: In other news, Meltzer is now reporting that Tyson Kidd did NOT produce the Women’s Rumble, a decision that led at least one talent from refusing to compete in it and others to complain. Kidd has been responsible for the women’s division for several years and is very respected, but his role has been reduced within the division. Many say he’s been the unsung here of the Women’s Revolution after Fit Finlay left.


I saw reports that Finlay was asked to come back and help produce the Women's Rumble, apparently aware that Tyson Kidd would not be available.  There are plenty of selfies and group pics from this weekend with Fit on various social media accounts.  The forbidden door was wedged open with a shillelagh.

My understanding is that Fit was one of the furloughed employees from Covid who was never fired.  He still technically works for WWE, he just hasn't been around.

Finlay has been working as producer for NXT for about a year now.



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In regard to reports Shane McMahon is gone from WWE, which originated overnight at RingsideNews.com, here is what we can confirm:

*Yesterday, there were creative plans for McMahon to be a regular on Raw as a heel leading into Wrestlemania. McMahon had been pushing to work Austin Theory at Wrestlemania with the idea playing out of Theory's involvement with Vince McMahon but that wasn't locked 100% in place. There were other forces pushing for Shane McMahon vs. Seth Rollins at Wrestlemania 38. There had been a planned sequence at one point to set up Rollins vs. Shane as a feud in the Men's Rumble match but as part of all the changes leading into the show, Rollins was pulled from the Rumble match.

*This afternoon, Shane McMahon was internally pulled from the Raw roster and the word making the rounds was that "the direction has changed."

*Shane McMahon was not backstage at Raw on Monday.

*In regard to stories of McMahon taking the heat for aspects of the Royal Rumble match, he was indeed among the producers who worked on it.

*It was said that Shane was obviously frustrated the day of the show and that some believed that came from his ideas being shot down by Vince McMahon. The talk was he was upset that "he wasn't being allowed to do what he wanted" and that he was "greatly preoccupied" by his own role in the Rumble.

*The feeling among some is that Shane is taking the brunt of the heat for the poor reception to the Men's Rumble match and that when the heat for that blows over, he'll eventually return in some form down the line.

*Shane McMahon does not hold any executive position or responsibilities for the company. He was appointed Executive Chairman of Ideanomics, an Electric Vehicle company, in August 2021 and had been focusing his energies there of late.



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srossi wrote: PWInsider:

In regard to reports Shane McMahon is gone from WWE, which originated overnight at RingsideNews.com, here is what we can confirm:

*Yesterday, there were creative plans for McMahon to be a regular on Raw as a heel leading into Wrestlemania. McMahon had been pushing to work Austin Theory at Wrestlemania with the idea playing out of Theory's involvement with Vince McMahon but that wasn't locked 100% in place. There were other forces pushing for Shane McMahon vs. Seth Rollins at Wrestlemania 38. There had been a planned sequence at one point to set up Rollins vs. Shane as a feud in the Men's Rumble match but as part of all the changes leading into the show, Rollins was pulled from the Rumble match.

*This afternoon, Shane McMahon was internally pulled from the Raw roster and the word making the rounds was that "the direction has changed."

*Shane McMahon was not backstage at Raw on Monday.

*In regard to stories of McMahon taking the heat for aspects of the Royal Rumble match, he was indeed among the producers who worked on it.

*It was said that Shane was obviously frustrated the day of the show and that some believed that came from his ideas being shot down by Vince McMahon. The talk was he was upset that "he wasn't being allowed to do what he wanted" and that he was "greatly preoccupied" by his own role in the Rumble.

*The feeling among some is that Shane is taking the brunt of the heat for the poor reception to the Men's Rumble match and that when the heat for that blows over, he'll eventually return in some form down the line.

*Shane McMahon does not hold any executive position or responsibilities for the company. He was appointed Executive Chairman of Ideanomics, an Electric Vehicle company, in August 2021 and had been focusing his energies there of late.


This is some triple talking bullshit, i need to because a pro wrestling journalist .. i think i can make up better scenarios 

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srossi wrote: Jim_Irish wrote: I thought Shane in the Royal Rumble was disgraceful. He might have lasted only a few minutes but he was booked (again) to look like he could compete with actual wrestlers like Owens and Riddle. 

How is that different from any other time he's wrestled?  He's not going to be brought in as a surprise entrant to get killed.  This is Vince's call.  If he didn't want Shane wrestling, he wouldn't be wrestling.  The plan was to have him in a competitive environment in the elimination chamber for God's sake!  And then he was supposed to wrestle Seth Rollins at WM!

No different than any time he's wrestled in the last ten or fifteen years. The fact that they keep doing it doesn't make. Me hate it less, that's all.
The other stuff is very strange and sort of sad. Vince is a wreck both physically and apparently mentally. He looks like shit and he's still on TV doing wierd skits with Austin Theory. Not sure what's happening with Stephanie but Shane getting fired and HHH getting the rug pulled while he was sick is nuts.


Your analogy of the Alzheimers patient getting manipulated really looks accurate. 

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Well now it begins to make a bit more sense. Reports that WWE were really upset at how Shane came across to Bad Bunny. There were numerous changes to what number Bunny would enter, and ultimately Shane’s appearance was said to have overshadowed his with them entering at close proximity. Also Shane’s super aggressive attitude before the show with several of the Rumble competitors was apparently seen by Bunny, and the entire atmosphere was chaotic and disorganized, so in general the company felt that Shane embarrassed them in front of a major outside star and didn’t come across as professional. 



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srossi wrote: Well now it begins to make a bit more sense. Reports that WWE were really upset at how Shane came across to Bad Bunny. There were numerous changes to what number Bunny would enter, and ultimately Shane’s appearance was said to have overshadowed his with them entering at close proximity. Also Shane’s super aggressive attitude before the show with several of the Rumble competitors was apparently seen by Bunny, and the entire atmosphere was chaotic and disorganized, so in general the company felt that Shane embarrassed them in front of a major outside star and didn’t come across as professional. 

To put this into some perspective... Shane lost his job because he made WWE look bad in front of Bad Bunny. Who is Bad Bunny? A Latin music star with a small amount of cross-over into the mainstream (three Top 10 singles in the US charts). In the UK, he's only had one song in the Top 100 (number 13, and probably Drake had as much to with the song's success). In the whole of Europe, he's popular in Spain, but elsewhere he generally fails to break into the Top 40. Bad Bunny isn't a mainstream star, he's a niche star with some mainstream cross-over success. The only people that Bad Bunny can bring to WWE are Latin music fans and US pop music fans. But then WWE has nothing to sell to them. There's a father-son Mysterio story that's going nowhere right now, they paired him with Damian Priest who had every last bit of Latino taken from him in his current gimmick, and every other Mexican/Latino/Hispanic wrestler in WWE is a jobber and has been for many years. If WWE want to use Bad Bunny, he should be singing someone to the ring, not wrestling.



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I was actually hoping Asuka would be making her return at the rumble.

Maybe we will get lucky and get a curve ball thrown at us and Rowsey chooses Asuka as her opponent instead of Lynch or Flair.

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Kriss wrote: srossi wrote: Well now it begins to make a bit more sense. Reports that WWE were really upset at how Shane came across to Bad Bunny. There were numerous changes to what number Bunny would enter, and ultimately Shane’s appearance was said to have overshadowed his with them entering at close proximity. Also Shane’s super aggressive attitude before the show with several of the Rumble competitors was apparently seen by Bunny, and the entire atmosphere was chaotic and disorganized, so in general the company felt that Shane embarrassed them in front of a major outside star and didn’t come across as professional. 

To put this into some perspective... Shane lost his job because he made WWE look bad in front of Bad Bunny. Who is Bad Bunny? A Latin music star with a small amount of cross-over into the mainstream (three Top 10 singles in the US charts). In the UK, he's only had one song in the Top 100 (number 13, and probably Drake had as much to with the song's success). In the whole of Europe, he's popular in Spain, but elsewhere he generally fails to break into the Top 40. Bad Bunny isn't a mainstream star, he's a niche star with some mainstream cross-over success. The only people that Bad Bunny can bring to WWE are Latin music fans and US pop music fans. But then WWE has nothing to sell to them. There's a father-son Mysterio story that's going nowhere right now, they paired him with Damian Priest who had every last bit of Latino taken from him in his current gimmick, and every other Mexican/Latino/Hispanic wrestler in WWE is a jobber and has been for many years. If WWE want to use Bad Bunny, he should be singing someone to the ring, not wrestling.

Somehow Bad Bunny has a stadium tour this summer that is selling out everywhere. He sold out Yankee Stadium and they added a 2nd show there. I’ve never heard of him before WWE, but he seems pretty big if he’s doing 50,000 a night all summer. 



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I never heard of him either outside of WWE but when he first popped up I googled him and he seemed a big deal.

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This is so beyond dysfunctional at this point. The backstage shit is more entertaining than the actual on-screen product. We’ve gotten to the point where more entertainment is derived from talking about wrestling politics than the actual matches and storylines. That goes for all of the podcasts and shoot interviews, Meltzer, everything.



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The WWE was virtually unwatchable last time I tried to watch regularly. The Royal Rumble wasn't that bad, but it wasn't good either.

You're right, I wonder if there was no Internet and I was just watching it every week if I would enjoy any of it any more.

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Jim_Irish wrote: You're right, I wonder if there was no Internet and I was just watching it every week if I would enjoy any of it any more.
I would enjoy it even less.  The show at face value is impossible to watch.  Trying to tie together what you see on-screen with what's going on behind the scenes is much more fun. 



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