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Earlier this month, it was reported that Scott Hall was hospitalized after falling and breaking his hip. Unfortunately, things have gotten worse for Hall with Wade Keller of PWTorch.com noting the following…

“Former WCW and WWE star Scott Hall is on life support at Wellstar Kennestone Hospital in Marietta, Ga. after suffering three heart attacks last night, PWTorch has learned. He had hip replacement surgery last week, but suffered a serious complication when a blood clot got loose.”

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Wow this is awful.  Hoping for the best here.

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Broken hips are worse than Covid when it comes to underlying conditions. It seems to take out any older person who has any other issues. A real shame that this is what dies him in, but Hall has destroyed his body for decades. Hoping for the best but it doesn’t look good.

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Well fuck, I was holding out hope but it sounds like he's already gone. He made it to 63, which is probably 20 more years than some expected. A hell of a talent. R.I.P.

A little eye roll though at Kevin Nash, who even when memorializing his best friend who's about to die, has to give a shout out to his agent making him lots of money.  He'll never change.  Nash will probably cry more at the site of a penny in the gutter than he will at Hall dying.

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I don't know about that but I did think his mention of the agent was weird, at best. It stuck out like a sore thumb.

Anyway, yeah it sounds like it's just a matter of a short amount of time before he's gone.

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Jim_Irish wrote: I don't know about that but I did think his mention of the agent was weird, at best. It stuck out like a sore thumb.

Anyway, yeah it sounds like it's just a matter of a short amount of time before he's gone.

There are a few still posting on-line, praying that Hall will kick out out two-and-seven-eighths. It's pretty clear to me that Nash is saying that Hall is only being kept alive by a machine, so is likely brain dead already. Pretty heart-breaking that the wrestling fandom has been invited into this awful time between knowing that he's being kept alive, and life support being turned off to let him pass away. That should a private time, and I really don't know why Nash felt the need to announce it the way he did.

Obviously, it gives Greg Oliver time to polish his obit, but it's like everyone's just waiting to post their RIP *BONG*s now.

Sad end for a great wrestler and entertainer who got more out life than many of his peers who travelled the same road. Right up their with Piper as one of the very greatest never to hold a world title.

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Kriss wrote: Obviously, it gives Greg Oliver time to polish his obit, but it's like everyone's just waiting to post their RIP *BONG*s now.

And can you believe no one had Scott Hall in the Dead Pool?

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Mike Johnson didn't even wait. This can only be seen as a huge FU to Greg Oliver.

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With today’s announcement from Kevin Nash that WWE Hall of Famer Scott Hall will be taken off life support once his family is in place to say farewell, it is only natural to look back on Hall’s career accomplishments and performances.

On camera, Hall had his Wrestlemania moment that will live on in immortality as part of the WWE time capsule forever with his Wrestlemania 10 ladder match against Shawn Michaels in Madison Square Garden. He’ll be forever remembered for changing the course of a raging river when he walked out on WCW Nitro, setting the stage for the New World Order and for the Monday Night Wars to become molten-red hot.

There were also multiple good to great matches - Hall and The 1-2-3 Kid vs. Shawn Michaels and Nash as Diesel for an early edition of WWF Action Zone, a bout that literally bad the entire Westchester County Center jumping up and down in waves of insane reactions that venue has never seen since, his King of the Ring 1993 match against Bret Hart, WCW PPV bouts against Sting, Bill Goldberg and many others. When Hall was ON, he was in the top percentage of any talent from his era.

There were also instantly loved promos. We all know them.

“You know who I am, but you don't know why I'm here.”

“Survey time. Are you here for WCW? Are you here for the NWO? Chalk another one up for the good guys.”

“Hey, yo, Chico, Say Hello to the Bad Guy.”

“When you are NWO, you are NWO 4 Life.”

"Bad times don't last, but bad guys do."

Behind the scenes, for all the good and bad of their political maneuverings and attempts to place and keep themselves in power, Hall and Kevin Nash will be forever credited with getting talents (including, most importantly, themselves) paid more and more via guaranteed contracts, which were never a thing in WWE until that trio grabbed the WCW money brass ring, setting the stage for Vince McMahon to relent and start to offer guaranteed money for the first time in McMahon’s life, first with Marc Mero and Brian Pillman and then everyone thereafter. From 1996 to today, every talent who signed a guaranteed deal, owes a debt of gratitude to Hall and Nash.

Whether he was Razor Ramon in the WWF or under his own name in WCW, once Hall figured out what he needed to do to get and stay over, he was over, for life. He was intrigued and obsessed, in a good way, with always learning and knowing what younger male fans thought were hip and cool. What were the hot fashions? What were the brands? Hall knew, if he played into those mindsets, he was likely to be seen as one of them, as representing them, as being cool and hip as they were or wanted to be. He knew when and how to play to the crowd, to maximize the dramatic effect of throwing out those arms to represent the Razor’s Edge, not only playing up his in-ring character but in many ways, the unspoken mantra of his life.

This week, a lot of people will celebrate and will mourn Scott Hall, as they should.

But, if there is one thing they should also try to do in the weeks and months and years ahead, it’s learn from Scott Hall’s life.

A big part of Hall’s career, especially the WCW era, was excess. He was suspended by the WWF in 1996 and removed from Wrestlemania 12, where he was to fight Dustin “Goldust” Rhodes in a Miami Street Fight. Instead, it was Roddy Piper vs. Goldust in Hollywood on that PPV. The timing of Hall and Nash giving notice to Vince McMahon that they would be leaving obviously comes into play here, but the longer Hall was in WCW, the more issues there were for him - and the stories of his behavior well after WCW before Diamond Dallas Page and others stepped in to try and help him are infinite.

I don’t write this to make light of the situation, but to point out a very serious issue that Hall likely dealt with his entire adult life - trauma.

Back in October 2011, ESPN’s E:60 broadcast a documentary on Hall’s life, a film that truth left viewers with an understanding and explanation of the trajectory of Hall’s life as well as the feeling that the clock on Hall’s life was ticking away for many years before he ever took one bump in the ring, revealing why Hall lived his life so hard and to such excess for so long. It's a piece that has long stuck to me that has come to mind repeatedly over the last decade, a haunting reminder of the day that would one day come and today, appears to have finally come - the day of Hall's passing.

The early portion of the documentary paints a hard-nosed, sad story of Hall’s life eons before he ever entered pro wrestling, being raised in a family of “hard drinking rednecks”, as Hall himself started, a situation that forced Hall to become the self-professed head of the household at the age of only 15.

As if that wasn’t enough for someone hardly an adult to mentally process, Hall was charged with second degree murder after getting into a fight with someone over a woman he was dating. The other person pulled a gun. Only one man walked away. It was Hall. While criminal charges were later dropped in the wake of the incident, the mental scars of the incident and Hall’s decision at the time to not to seek help in coping with the fallout of the experience really set the stage for the mental issues he began compensating for by turning to self-abuse.

Before there were Wrestlemania moments and immortal promos, before there were championships with Curt Hennig and Diamond Studds in WCW and American Starship Coyotes alongside Danny Spivey, before there were kliqs and untold riches and untold life experiences and sold out arenas and tiny independent wrestling shows, before the spotlights and the chaos, there was Scott Hall, the man, reeling and trying to compensate and overcome his own personal trauma.

That’s the person who everyone can learn from - from his mistakes, from his traumas, from his successes. He overcame sadness and horror, but at the same time, had problems managing himself once he found himself relishing in that success.

Everyone is around for the success, but so few remain for the crash at the end. Fewer still remain when it’s time to try and crawl out of the crater that is left after the crash.

In the 1990s, professional wrestling was the hottest it has ever been. No matter what anyone tells you about today, the 1990s were a billion times hotter and more insane and more beloved. But, like every bubble, the wrestling one crashed and at the same time came the crash of Scott Hall. The fantasy life began to wane away with the disappearance of the Monday Night Wars.

In that ESPN documentary a decade ago, the future was laid bare for all to see when it came to Hall. He had gone from someone who lived a life so few in professional wrestling had ever experienced to a tired man who now had to take and maintain close to a dozen medications daily due to congenital heart failure brought on by so many of his self-abusive traits, all spurned by trauma he likely never came to terms with.

At the time of the documentary, Hall was close to a dozen rehab stays at a cost of six figures to WWE. His once trademark physique and chiseled good looks had become more and more weathered, wearing away. Even then, in 2011, Hall's friends, including Kevin Nash, admitted that they’d been preparing themselves for the worst for over a year. Instead, they had a little bit closer to another decade with someone they loved.

Today, in the moment, whether you have anger or sympathy towards Scott Hall, we should all be united in a hope that something can be learned from his personal experiences - and that the professional wrestling world, and the world at large, should work more to recognize the long-standing, grueling and grinding effects of severe trauma and push those suffering to pursue and accept help, not just for the good of the talents taking bumps, but for the good of the next generation of their families.

The lone beacon of hope towards the end of that 2011 ESPN 3:60 documentary was Scott Hall’s son Cody. Long estranged, Cody had tried to reconcile with his father, moving in with him. In that piece, Codyl admitted that at this point, he was more concerned with helping his father stay alive than whether Hall can finally get himself clean. Cody soon decided to pursue a career as a professional wrestler but in thinking about where he started and what he, like his father before him, has endured in life, one can only hope for Cody’s well being above and beyond hoping he finds any measure of stardom.

In watching that ESPN piece on Scott Hall this morning, one can only hope that over the ten years since it was filmed and released that Scott Hall finally found some peace for himself and his family before it was too late. Given the pattern of history in his life, Hall may have been born into that pattern without choice and found that pattern compounded and more frustrated by his life experiences but at the end of the day, he deserved peace and solace and perhaps, depending on your perspective, forgiveness.

Scott Hall did a lot to entertain the masses, but what he really needed to do was take care of himself.

Here’s to hoping that for all that can be weaned from what Scott Hall accomplished on camera, the true lessons can be learned from what he most suffered from, in hopes that others can avoid those same harsh, heart-breaking experiences. If that life on the razor's edge can be prevented for even one person, it's a small victory in the wake of today's sad reality.

To Scott Hall, my friends.

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Kriss wrote: Did Scott Hall fuck Mike Johnson's wife?
LOL, holy shit those last two paragraphs though.  My god, this entire thing is cringe.  From Nash’s post to Mike Johnson’s race to get the obit up before he actually dies to those last two paragraphs about “lessons learned”.  Get fucked.

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Blazer wrote: Kriss wrote: Did Scott Hall fuck Mike Johnson's wife?
LOL, holy shit those last two paragraphs though.  My god, this entire thing is cringe.  From Nash’s post to Mike Johnson’s race to get the obit up before he actually dies to those last two paragraphs about “lessons learned”.  Get fucked.

I like Mike but he tries way too hard.  He's just not a great writer.  He's competent enough by wrestling standards if he's just putting together a narrative of someone's career, but attempting the flowery language and the life lessons is cringe indeed.  This is a C- in any high school English class. 

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Kriss wrote: Did Scott Hall fuck Mike Johnson's wife?If by chance Scott doesn't kick out at two. But I'm sure he will because thousands are sending thoughts and prayers. Thanks for the new signature line.

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srossi wrote: Blazer wrote: Kriss wrote: Did Scott Hall fuck Mike Johnson's wife?
LOL, holy shit those last two paragraphs though.  My god, this entire thing is cringe.  From Nash’s post to Mike Johnson’s race to get the obit up before he actually dies to those last two paragraphs about “lessons learned”.  Get fucked.

I like Mike but he tries way too hard.  He's just not a great writer.  He's competent enough by wrestling standards if he's just putting together a narrative of someone's career, but attempting the flowery language and the life lessons is cringe indeed.  This is a C- in any high school English class. 

I mean, dragging out the "lessons learned" narrative in someone's obit may be on par with Mask's "He got sideways with me a few times.  RIP."
In all seriousness, Mike Johnson must have another full-time job, right?  This wrestling journalist thing is just a side gig I would assume?  He can't be making more than $50 a week writing these pieces.

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Blazer wrote: srossi wrote: Blazer wrote: Kriss wrote: Did Scott Hall fuck Mike Johnson's wife?
LOL, holy shit those last two paragraphs though.  My god, this entire thing is cringe.  From Nash’s post to Mike Johnson’s race to get the obit up before he actually dies to those last two paragraphs about “lessons learned”.  Get fucked.

I like Mike but he tries way too hard.  He's just not a great writer.  He's competent enough by wrestling standards if he's just putting together a narrative of someone's career, but attempting the flowery language and the life lessons is cringe indeed.  This is a C- in any high school English class. 

I mean, dragging out the "lessons learned" narrative in someone's obit may be on par with Mask's "He got sideways with me a few times.  RIP."
In all seriousness, Mike Johnson must have another full-time job, right?  This wrestling journalist thing is just a side gig I would assume?  He can't be making more than $50 a week writing these pieces.

No, Johnson and Scherer have often said they've been full-time at the website for many years now.  I can't imagine what annual salaries look like, but they make enough to survive apparently.

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Speaking of Mask, I see he dusted off his medical license to chime in on the situation over at KKK:


"When your body acclimates to running on substances, the shift back to running on food, water and air can be a fatal shock. There's a point past which it's just too late. The problem is you don't know till you try.

It's too bad, but actions have consequences.

Hell of a performer in his prime."

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Blazer wrote: Speaking of Mask, I see he dusted off his medical license to chime in on the situation over at KKK:


"When your body acclimates to running on substances, the shift back to running on food, water and air can be a fatal shock. There's a point past which it's just too late. The problem is you don't know till you try.

It's too bad, but actions have consequences.

Hell of a performer in his prime."

That's pretty generic medical advice, but I'm sure the sycophants on there enjoy him sharing those pearls of wisdom. 

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srossi wrote: Blazer wrote: Speaking of Mask, I see he dusted off his medical license to chime in on the situation over at KKK:


"When your body acclimates to running on substances, the shift back to running on food, water and air can be a fatal shock. There's a point past which it's just too late. The problem is you don't know till you try.

It's too bad, but actions have consequences.

Hell of a performer in his prime."

That's pretty generic medical advice, but I'm sure the sycophants on there enjoy him sharing those pearls of wisdom. 


I'm going to hold off on judging that prognosis until I hear from Wong Lee.  

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It is being reported that Scott Hall has passed away

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beejmi wrote: It is being reported that Scott Hall has passed away

Not seeing it reported anywhere yet. This is turning into a Monty Python sketch.

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Me neither. There are RIPs all over twitter but they are either preemptive posts or people trying deliberately mislead people for whatever reason.

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Yeah, our package of stories and photos is ready, but I try to take the high road.

I like Mike Johnson as a person, and his connections are incredible compared to mine ... but yeah, his writing can be something. But generally it's more decipherable than Meltzer.

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People are having flame wars about whether it’s respectful or disrespectful to offer condolences and share thoughts on Hall before he’s officially dead. A lot of people have too much time on their hands. This could’ve been avoided if Nash had just stayed off Twitter. But he’s clearly brain dead if they’re about to pull the plug, so I don’t see the point in these arguments. It’s splitting hairs now.

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Meltzer says Hall was removed from life support 4 hours ago but is still alive.

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My deepest sympathies to the family and friends of Scott Hall.1:28 PM · Mar 14, 2022·Twitter Web App


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GregOliver wrote: Yeah, our package of stories and photos is ready, but I try to take the high road.

I like Mike Johnson as a person, and his connections are incredible compared to mine ... but yeah, his writing can be something. But generally it's more decipherable than Meltzer.
More decipherable than Meltzer?  So is the crap Spatulapup writes here, so that's a pretty low bar...

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My deepest sympathies to the family and friends of Scott Hall.1:28 PM · Mar 14, 2022·Twitter Web App


Two hours later Meltzer tweets he's still alive. Just more of his awkward style. A few weeks ago I started watching Nitro around the time Hall showed up. I was also catching up on WWF in 1994. One of the most gifted performers I've seen. Maybe there will be a miracle and the Bad Guy kicks out.

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GregOliver wrote: but yeah, his writing can be something. But generally it's more decipherable than Meltzer. Thanks for the chuckle I got from this. Meltzer's stream of consciousness babble is a thing to behold. 

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So what does WWE do tonight? Not mention it until he's completely dead? Full tribute video? Something in between?

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srossi wrote: So what does WWE do tonight? Not mention it until he's completely dead? Full tribute video? Something in between?
They have to mention it at the announcer's desk, don't they?  Unfortunately the tribute video will probably be on Smackdown.

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They have to mention it at the announcer's desk, don't they?  Unfortunately the tribute video will probably be on Smackdown.

They don't have to do anything.  There's a good chance barely anyone left in the office even knows what's going on.  I wouldn't be surprised if we see some trademark Razor moves though by the guys not too terrified to improvise a bit.

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Boz1515 wrote: srossi wrote: So what does WWE do tonight? Not mention it until he's completely dead? Full tribute video? Something in between?
They have to mention it at the announcer's desk, don't they?  Unfortunately the tribute video will probably be on Smackdown.

Nobody even called Flair to see "how he's doing" after his 7th divorce.  You think they're going to give a shoutout to a guy just taken off life support??!?!?!?!?!?!?!

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Hope my piece was worth the wait:

https://slamwrestling.net/index.php/2022/03/14/scott-hall-dead-at-63/

Oddly, never dealt with Scott Hall. Even when he was at the Cauliflower Alley Club, he, Waltman, Michaels and Nash avoided everyone.

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Not sure exactly what time he was pronounced dead, but Raw did open with his picture and "In Memory Of..." card.

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srossi wrote: Not sure exactly what time he was pronounced dead, but Raw did open with his picture and "In Memory Of..." card.

https://www.tmz.com/2022/03/14/wwe-legend-scott-hall-dead-63/

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Boz1515 wrote: Kevin Owens opened Raw with "Hey Yo."
And the fans didn't react at all.  Sad.  They had no idea.  I really wonder who is going to WWE shows these days.

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Does anyone know what the age range is of the fans that go today. The height of the NWO was 96 to 99 . How many at the shows remember it or were around when it happened? Scott Hall may just be some old wrestling legend to them that they never saw live.

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srossi wrote: Boz1515 wrote: Kevin Owens opened Raw with "Hey Yo."
And the fans didn't react at all.  Sad.  They had no idea.  I really wonder who is going to WWE shows these days.

Owens also told Rollins "Tough times don't last, but tough guys do."

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Spatulapup wrote: Does anyone know what the age range is of the fans that go today. The height of the NWO was 96 to 99 . How many at the shows remember it or were around when it happened? Scott Hall may just be some old wrestling legend to them that they never saw live.
The average age of a WWE fan is over 50, but that's not the audience that necessarily goes to live shows.

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Oddly, never dealt with Scott Hall. Even when he was at the Cauliflower Alley Club, he, Waltman, Michaels and Nash avoided everyone.



He did come into the CAC Monday night wrestling show and moved to the open row in front of me and Bobby Simmons, just to get away from all the gladhanders and watch some of the show.   He apologized to us for blocking our view, which he wasn't.    

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And the fans didn't react at all.  Sad.  They had no idea.  I really wonder who is going to WWE shows these days.

Owens also told Rollins "Tough times don't last, but tough guys do."

Yeah that was cool.

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WWE got up the video tribute in the 3rd hour but it wasn't very good, not for someone of his stature. I'd say it's because they didn't have much time, but we all know that they just don't do good videos anymore.

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The AWA is "various organizations" now.

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WWE is saddened to learn that two-time WWE Hall of Famer Scott Hall has passed away.

A hugely influential Superstar, Hall began his career in 1984, performing with various organizations across the country before joining World Championship Wrestling in 1991 as The Diamond Studd. In 1992, Hall signed with WWE and introduced fans all over the world to the character of Razor Ramon, becoming a four-time Intercontinental Champion and one of the most enduring personas of WWE’s “New Generation.” He participated in memorable rivalries against Kevin Nash, Bret Hart, Shawn Michaels and countless others, with his two Ladder Matches against Michaels at WrestleMania X and SummerSlam 1995 both considered all-time classics by fans and industry insiders alike. In 1996, Hall re-joined World Championship Wrestling and joined Kevin Nash and Hulk Hogan as the founding members of the nWo (New World Order), revolutionizing the sports-entertainment industry and ushering in the “Monday Night Wars.”

After retiring from the ring, Hall capped off a one-of-a-kind career by being inducted into the WWE Hall of Fame as Razor Ramon in 2014 and again as a member of the nWo in 2020.

WWE extends its condolences to Hall’s family, friends and fans.

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Well, you have to count his Coyote role in American Starship with Dan Spivey in both JCP and Central States.  Plus he had time in the Florida office after leaving the AWA in 1987 under his own name.  

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srossi wrote: WWE got up the video tribute in the 3rd hour but it wasn't very good, not for someone of his stature. I'd say it's because they didn't have much time, but we all know that they just don't do good videos anymore.When Dusty died, they did close to 6 minutes of video I believe.  Razor doesn’t deserve the Dusty treatment, but let’s be honest - his impact on the business was *almost* as big as Dusty’s if you look at it from the “It Changed The Business” lens.  He was the first huge name to book himself a fully guaranteed contract, he convinced Nash, who really didn’t like the idea of trusting WCW again, to jump with him.  It completely changed the way the boys got paid.  Zack Ryder doesn’t pull in $500k per year from WWE to sit on his ass forgotten about if not for Scott Hall (and yes, it took two to tango so Bischoff paying Hall was part of this too).  Guys like Steve Austin, who had pretty much washed out of WCW, would have never made tens of millions if not for Scott Hall.   As ridiculous as it is to type this, TNA/Impact may have never been formed if not for Scott Hall and Kevin Nash because let’s face it, WCW was failing badly prior to the Outsiders showing up and making them look cool.  Do you think Jerry Jarrett tries to build another promotion if not for WCW showing real success in fighting WWE?  I don’t.  RIP to the Bad Guy.

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Well, you have to count his Coyote role in American Starship with Dan Spivey in both JCP and Central States.  Plus he had time in the Florida office after leaving the AWA in 1987 under his own name. 

I'm not saying he wasn't really in "various organizations", but to fold his AWA run into that is ridiculous and insulting.

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Superstar wrote: srossi wrote: WWE got up the video tribute in the 3rd hour but it wasn't very good, not for someone of his stature. I'd say it's because they didn't have much time, but we all know that they just don't do good videos anymore.When Dusty died, they did close to 6 minutes of video I believe.  Razor doesn’t deserve the Dusty treatment, but let’s be honest - his impact on the business was *almost* as big as Dusty’s if you look at it from the “It Changed The Business” lens.  He was the first huge name to book himself a fully guaranteed contract, he convinced Nash, who really didn’t like the idea of trusting WCW again, to jump with him.  It completely changed the way the boys got paid.  Zack Ryder doesn’t pull in $500k per year from WWE to sit on his ass forgotten about if not for Scott Hall (and yes, it took two to tango so Bischoff paying Hall was part of this too).  Guys like Steve Austin, who had pretty much washed out of WCW, would have never made tens of millions if not for Scott Hall.   As ridiculous as it is to type this, TNA/Impact may have never been formed if not for Scott Hall and Kevin Nash because let’s face it, WCW was failing badly prior to the Outsiders showing up and making them look cool.  Do you think Jerry Jarrett tries to build another promotion if not for WCW showing real success in fighting WWE?  I don’t.  RIP to the Bad Guy.
There is no underestimating the impact of the NWO on wrestling history and everything that came after, and that starts with Hall.  Comparing him to Dusty is apples and oranges, territory days vs. the cable wars, trying to draw a $100,000 gate vs. guaranteed money in the tens of millions.  You obviously needed people like Dusty first to get the business where it went, but by the time the NWO came along they set it off to another level that not even Vince himself could've reached without them existing.  It allows everything we see on TV today to still exist at the exposure it does, not because the product is one tenth as hot but because fans and network executives and money mark promoters keep hoping it will be again if they can just come up with that "NWO" idea. 

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Hogan's tribute is linked above. I guess Jimmy Hart is a Karaoke DJ at Hogan's place.

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First saw him the AWA where obviously he was kind of green.  Remember chuckling at the nickname the AWA came up for him. "Big" Scott Hall.

Remember not thinking much of him as Diamond Studd but obviously he really took off when he came to the WWF as Razor Ramon.  Preferred the heel version.

Obviously the Outsiders gimmick was huge until WCW wrecked it with the whole virtually everybody on the roster was in some different NWO faction.

Can't say I saw much of him after that.  Sad way for his life to end but fairly common under the circumstances.  

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srossi wrote: Superstar wrote: srossi wrote: WWE got up the video tribute in the 3rd hour but it wasn't very good, not for someone of his stature. I'd say it's because they didn't have much time, but we all know that they just don't do good videos anymore.When Dusty died, they did close to 6 minutes of video I believe.  Razor doesn’t deserve the Dusty treatment, but let’s be honest - his impact on the business was *almost* as big as Dusty’s if you look at it from the “It Changed The Business” lens.  He was the first huge name to book himself a fully guaranteed contract, he convinced Nash, who really didn’t like the idea of trusting WCW again, to jump with him.  It completely changed the way the boys got paid.  Zack Ryder doesn’t pull in $500k per year from WWE to sit on his ass forgotten about if not for Scott Hall (and yes, it took two to tango so Bischoff paying Hall was part of this too).  Guys like Steve Austin, who had pretty much washed out of WCW, would have never made tens of millions if not for Scott Hall.   As ridiculous as it is to type this, TNA/Impact may have never been formed if not for Scott Hall and Kevin Nash because let’s face it, WCW was failing badly prior to the Outsiders showing up and making them look cool.  Do you think Jerry Jarrett tries to build another promotion if not for WCW showing real success in fighting WWE?  I don’t.  RIP to the Bad Guy.
There is no underestimating the impact of the NWO on wrestling history and everything that came after, and that starts with Hall.  Comparing him to Dusty is apples and oranges, territory days vs. the cable wars, trying to draw a $100,000 gate vs. guaranteed money in the tens of millions.  You obviously needed people like Dusty first to get the business where it went, but by the time the NWO came along they set it off to another level that not even Vince himself could've reached without them existing.  It allows everything we see on TV today to still exist at the exposure it does, not because the product is one tenth as hot but because fans and network executives and money mark promoters keep hoping it will be again if they can just come up with that "NWO" idea. 
No doubt.  The only reason I brought up Dusty was because, unless I’m mistaken, he had the longest tribute video ever.  Even longer than Piper.  A lot of that probably had to do with both Dustin and Cody working there at the time and the other part was that HHH (and pretty much everyone that went through NXT) loved him so much.  I’m sure if they had a better opportunity they could have done a better tribute video, but they still had more time than the effort put into it tonight.  WWE was once the best at this, now after letting so many office people go, you get what you got with that almost half assed tribute.

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"You know who I am, but you don't know why I'm here."

Without that, maybe you don't get WCW over-taking WWF. Maybe Vince doesn't get spurred on to change the WWF product into something more captivating. Maybe you lose the whole generation of new wrestlers who were inspired by their fandom and started the early 2000s indie scene which shaped a lot of what we have today. It could have been very different without that moment.

RIP to the Bad Guy.

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It's hardly surprising that an audience who has been taught that what happened last month (sometimes last week) doesn't matter had zero reaction to Kevin Owens's Scott Hall tribute last night.

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Kriss wrote: "You know who I am, but you don't know why I'm here."

Without that, maybe you don't get WCW over-taking WWF. Maybe Vince doesn't get spurred on to change the WWF product into something more captivating. Maybe you lose the whole generation of new wrestlers who were inspired by their fandom and started the early 2000s indie scene which shaped a lot of what we have today. It could have been very different without that moment.

RIP to the Bad Guy.

One of the the most memorable nights in wrestling history, and a lot of 'what ifs' if things hadn't happened the way they happened. Hall meeting with Bischoff started it all. 

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RE: The AWA 'various organization'

A fanbase that does not respond to 'Hey yo' wont know who or what the AWA is/was.

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My uncle basically died the same way a couple of years ago. He fell and broke his hip and died because of blood clot (among other things as he had other health issues) from the surgery. Randomly falling down can be sometimes be deadly.

R.I.P.

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If I remember correctly Mean Gene fell and broke his hip and was gone not long after. My friend's mom was 62 and went in for knee surgery. She had similar complications and she passed away. He was in shock. I think most people thought Hall would die of something drug or alcohol related.

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Spatulapup wrote: If I remember correctly Mean Gene fell and broke his hip and was gone not long after. My friend's mom was 62 and went in for knee surgery. She had similar complications and she passed away. He was in shock. I think most people thought Hall would die of something drug or alcohol related.
Well he did.  Years of abuse to his body probably caused the blood clots and heart attack after he broke his hip.  Broken hips set off a chain reaction in unhealthy or aging bodies.

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About 80% of patients are dead within two years of getting a hemi arthroplasty or rod and pinning from a fall. Usually pneumonia is the culprit,but DVTs form from lack of mobility post op coupled with people not using compression stockings or taking anti coagulants

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NJPW was very classy in having numerous remembrances of Scott Hall earlier today.  Kevin Kelly kicked off the English-language broadcast remembering Hall's time in NWO Japan and its influence on Bullet Club.  El Phantasmo had a toothpick in his mouth for his entrance.  And Hiroshi Tanahashi did Hall's strut to the ring. 

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srossi wrote: Spatulapup wrote: If I remember correctly Mean Gene fell and broke his hip and was gone not long after. My friend's mom was 62 and went in for knee surgery. She had similar complications and she passed away. He was in shock. I think most people thought Hall would die of something drug or alcohol related.
Well he did.  Years of abuse to his body probably caused the blood clots and heart attack after he broke his hip.  Broken hips set off a chain reaction in unhealthy or aging bodies.
I think the same thing happened more or less to Chris Candido. Only difference was I think he broke his leg.

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WongLee wrote: srossi wrote: Spatulapup wrote: If I remember correctly Mean Gene fell and broke his hip and was gone not long after. My friend's mom was 62 and went in for knee surgery. She had similar complications and she passed away. He was in shock. I think most people thought Hall would die of something drug or alcohol related.
Well he did.  Years of abuse to his body probably caused the blood clots and heart attack after he broke his hip.  Broken hips set off a chain reaction in unhealthy or aging bodies.
I think the same thing happened more or less to Chris Candido. Only difference was I think he broke his leg.

Maybe. Candido was half Hall’s age and a broken leg is a lot less serious. It was really a freak thing. I don’t know if there was ever a lawsuit, but I feel like something had to be missed at the hospital during surgery. They released him and he was fine and he even worked TNA again in a wheelchair and then he was dead. 

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Watching a lot of old Hall matches from the AWA. Is it just me or did he lean down significantly in those five years between ‘87 and ‘92? Man, he just looks enormous with Hennig in those tag matches and some of the singles against DeBeers. Might just be perception. I’m talking upper body though, he was just massive, and yet you look at him later next to Nash and even Hogan in WCW, and he looks small.

Also- a hidden gem match, the ‘93 Rumble match against Bret. Always loved that one.

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srossi wrote: WongLee wrote: srossi wrote: Spatulapup wrote: If I remember correctly Mean Gene fell and broke his hip and was gone not long after. My friend's mom was 62 and went in for knee surgery. She had similar complications and she passed away. He was in shock. I think most people thought Hall would die of something drug or alcohol related.
Well he did.  Years of abuse to his body probably caused the blood clots and heart attack after he broke his hip.  Broken hips set off a chain reaction in unhealthy or aging bodies.
I think the same thing happened more or less to Chris Candido. Only difference was I think he broke his leg.

Maybe. Candido was half Hall’s age and a broken leg is a lot less serious. It was really a freak thing. I don’t know if there was ever a lawsuit, but I feel like something had to be missed at the hospital during surgery. They released him and he was fine and he even worked TNA again in a wheelchair and then he was dead. 
Sometimes they fuck up putting a cast on and that can cause blood clots to develop. Happened to my dad about a decade ago. The clot developed while his leg was in the cast, and broke off after the cast came off. It travelled to the base of his sternum…and no further. Docs thought he was a goner but it just stopped and they could treat it. He’s still alive today.
If candido had a dr nick putting his cast on and taking it off, without noticing signs clots may have formed, it would have happened quick without him knowing what was really happening. My dad had no idea what was going on when the clot dislodged and began moving.

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I don’t think I ever knew their was a Topps 1992 set.  I had the 1991 WCW Impel set at one point.

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I don’t think I ever knew their was a Topps 1992 set.  I had the 1991 WCW Impel set at one point.


I bought my son a few unopened packs of WCW cards from 1991 recently; he really enjoyed opening them up and seeing what was there. 

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Franchise wrote: Blazer wrote: Franchise wrote: https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_nkw=scott+hall+jimmy+garvin+topps+card+&_trksid=p2380057.m4084.l1313
I don’t think I ever knew their was a Topps 1992 set.  I had the 1991 WCW Impel set at one point.


I bought my son a few unopened packs of WCW cards from 1991 recently; he really enjoyed opening them up and seeing what was there. 

That '91 set had a few Jim Ross cards.  When he was doing the WSB Sunday night show around that time, he told listeners you could send them in through the mail with a SASE, and he's autograph them and send back.  I still have the two that he autographed for me.  More amazing was that I was somehow able to pick up an Atlanta radio station in Chicago in the Fall of 1991.  
The other memory of that '91 set, coming off the junk wax era, was seeing entire hobby boxes of those cards on clearance at KB Toys in 1993 and 1994 for $3.00.  Not a pack, but the entire box.

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I'm now remembering what I thought was one of the top 5 house show matches I've ever seen live. December 29, 1998 at the Nassau Coliseum. Scott Hall did the honors for Scott Hall. A very, very solid 20 minutes. No feud, nothing on the line, just a straight up wrestling match. These guys put everything into this and it was an honor to watch two artists at work. Say what you want about Hall, the guy wasn't selfish in the ring.

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WongLee wrote: I'm now remembering what I thought was one of the top 5 house show matches I've ever seen live. December 29, 1998 at the Nassau Coliseum. Scott Hall did the honors for Scott Hall. A very, very solid 20 minutes. No feud, nothing on the line, just a straight up wrestling match. These guys put everything into this and it was an honor to watch two artists at work. Say what you want about Hall, the guy wasn't selfish in the ring.So which Scott Hall put which Scott Hall over?

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I don’t think I ever knew their was a Topps 1992 set.  I had the 1991 WCW Impel set at one point.
Only released in the UK.  I didn’t even know it existed until somewhat recently.  Looks to be quite hard to come by.

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There is a video online of Scott and Larry Zbyszko watching one of his old AWA tag matches and he does not hesitate to point out that Curt carried the team and how green he was and the mistakes he made. It's a fun watch.

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Jim Ross kicked off Dynamite with "Hey yo! It's Wednesday night and you know what that means" for the double Scott Hall/Brodie Lee tribute.

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srossi wrote: WongLee wrote: srossi wrote: Spatulapup wrote: If I remember correctly Mean Gene fell and broke his hip and was gone not long after. My friend's mom was 62 and went in for knee surgery. She had similar complications and she passed away. He was in shock. I think most people thought Hall would die of something drug or alcohol related.
Well he did.  Years of abuse to his body probably caused the blood clots and heart attack after he broke his hip.  Broken hips set off a chain reaction in unhealthy or aging bodies.
I think the same thing happened more or less to Chris Candido. Only difference was I think he broke his leg.

Maybe. Candido was half Hall’s age and a broken leg is a lot less serious. It was really a freak thing. I don’t know if there was ever a lawsuit, but I feel like something had to be missed at the hospital during surgery. They released him and he was fine and he even worked TNA again in a wheelchair and then he was dead. 
The issue with Candido was the airplane trip, I'm not sure that was cleared but the process of going thru the compression and decompression on an airliner definitely was a major contributing factor, if not the outright cause of the blood clots that killed Candido.

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BitterOldMan wrote: srossi wrote: WongLee wrote: srossi wrote: Spatulapup wrote: If I remember correctly Mean Gene fell and broke his hip and was gone not long after. My friend's mom was 62 and went in for knee surgery. She had similar complications and she passed away. He was in shock. I think most people thought Hall would die of something drug or alcohol related.
Well he did.  Years of abuse to his body probably caused the blood clots and heart attack after he broke his hip.  Broken hips set off a chain reaction in unhealthy or aging bodies.
I think the same thing happened more or less to Chris Candido. Only difference was I think he broke his leg.

Maybe. Candido was half Hall’s age and a broken leg is a lot less serious. It was really a freak thing. I don’t know if there was ever a lawsuit, but I feel like something had to be missed at the hospital during surgery. They released him and he was fine and he even worked TNA again in a wheelchair and then he was dead. 
The issue with Candido was the airplane trip, I'm not sure that was cleared but the process of going thru the compression and decompression on an airliner definitely was a major contributing factor, if not the outright cause of the blood clots that killed Candido.


Candido was told by doctors not to fly after an operation on his leg.

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Blazer wrote: Franchise wrote: Blazer wrote: Franchise wrote: https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_nkw=scott+hall+jimmy+garvin+topps+card+&_trksid=p2380057.m4084.l1313
I don’t think I ever knew their was a Topps 1992 set.  I had the 1991 WCW Impel set at one point.


I bought my son a few unopened packs of WCW cards from 1991 recently; he really enjoyed opening them up and seeing what was there. 

That '91 set had a few Jim Ross cards.  When he was doing the WSB Sunday night show around that time, he told listeners you could send them in through the mail with a SASE, and he's autograph them and send back.  I still have the two that he autographed for me.  More amazing was that I was somehow able to pick up an Atlanta radio station in Chicago in the Fall of 1991.  
The other memory of that '91 set, coming off the junk wax era, was seeing entire hobby boxes of those cards on clearance at KB Toys in 1993 and 1994 for $3.00.  Not a pack, but the entire box.


Ross signed a card I sent also. 

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Impact put Hall's picture up at the start of the broadcast tonight and when Jay White and Chris Bey did the "Too Sweet", they referenced Hall's death. The commentary was clearly just taped even though the matches have been in the can for a while.

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Perhaps one final tribute to Scott Hall. On last night's Rampage, Mac Caster worked him into his rap before his match with Keith Lee:

"I'm not Ramon but my words be Razorin'/
Have you sending pics from bed like Pete Davidson"

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srossi wrote: Perhaps one final tribute to Scott Hall. On last night's Rampage, Mac Caster worked him into his rap before his match with Keith Lee:

"I'm not Ramon but my words be Razorin'/
Have you sending pics from bed like Pete Davidson"
Caster is two weeks away from adding a "Yo baby yo baby YO!" to his raps.

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There is Good article by Mike Mooneyham on Scott Hall. 

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Spatulapup wrote: There is Good article by Mike Mooneyham on Scott Hall. Do you have any proof?  I mean, how many fucking times have you logged in here and when somebody says something like this…they provide the link.  Or am I just too stupid to realize that you are a sock.

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Superstar wrote: Spatulapup wrote: There is Good article by Mike Mooneyham on Scott Hall. Do you have any proof?  I mean, how many fucking times have you logged in here and when somebody says something like this…they provide the link.  Or am I just too stupid to realize that you are a sock.His stock answer for that is that it's on Twitter or it's on the internet.

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Jim_Irish wrote: Superstar wrote: Spatulapup wrote: There is Good article by Mike Mooneyham on Scott Hall. Do you have any proof?  I mean, how many fucking times have you logged in here and when somebody says something like this…they provide the link.  Or am I just too stupid to realize that you are a sock.His stock answer for that is that it's on Twitter or it's on the internet.
This is the extreme version of "Mr. Searchy is your friend" when it's never even been posted here before. 

I know Spaz isn't even trying to troll with this, but Jesus Christ this is something that Ports might've pulled back in the day: There's a good article somewhere out there, but I ain't posting it!

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srossi wrote: Jim_Irish wrote: Superstar wrote: Spatulapup wrote: There is Good article by Mike Mooneyham on Scott Hall. Do you have any proof?  I mean, how many fucking times have you logged in here and when somebody says something like this…they provide the link.  Or am I just too stupid to realize that you are a sock.His stock answer for that is that it's on Twitter or it's on the internet.
This is the extreme version of "Mr. Searchy is your friend" when it's never even been posted here before. 

I know Spaz isn't even trying to troll with this, but Jesus Christ this is something that Ports might've pulled back in the day: There's a good article somewhere out there, but I ain't posting it!
I've decided to put him on ignore.  Only other troll I ever did that to was Famous Mortimer.  Now I don't have to be annoyed by his drivel.

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It’s the smart thing to do.

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Superstar wrote: srossi wrote: Jim_Irish wrote: Superstar wrote: Spatulapup wrote: There is Good article by Mike Mooneyham on Scott Hall. Do you have any proof?  I mean, how many fucking times have you logged in here and when somebody says something like this…they provide the link.  Or am I just too stupid to realize that you are a sock.His stock answer for that is that it's on Twitter or it's on the internet.
This is the extreme version of "Mr. Searchy is your friend" when it's never even been posted here before. 

I know Spaz isn't even trying to troll with this, but Jesus Christ this is something that Ports might've pulled back in the day: There's a good article somewhere out there, but I ain't posting it!
I've decided to put him on ignore.  Only other troll I ever did that to was Famous Mortimer.  Now I don't have to be annoyed by his drivel.

Now you'll never know what Trump said last year.

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srossi wrote: Superstar wrote: srossi wrote: Jim_Irish wrote: Superstar wrote: Spatulapup wrote: There is Good article by Mike Mooneyham on Scott Hall. Do you have any proof?  I mean, how many fucking times have you logged in here and when somebody says something like this…they provide the link.  Or am I just too stupid to realize that you are a sock.His stock answer for that is that it's on Twitter or it's on the internet.
This is the extreme version of "Mr. Searchy is your friend" when it's never even been posted here before. 

I know Spaz isn't even trying to troll with this, but Jesus Christ this is something that Ports might've pulled back in the day: There's a good article somewhere out there, but I ain't posting it!
I've decided to put him on ignore.  Only other troll I ever did that to was Famous Mortimer.  Now I don't have to be annoyed by his drivel.

Now you'll never know what Trump said last year.
That's awesome because I dont' give a fuck what Trump said in the last half hour, nevermind revisiting last year. 

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srossi wrote: Superstar wrote: srossi wrote: Jim_Irish wrote: Superstar wrote: Spatulapup wrote: There is Good article by Mike Mooneyham on Scott Hall. Do you have any proof?  I mean, how many fucking times have you logged in here and when somebody says something like this…they provide the link.  Or am I just too stupid to realize that you are a sock.His stock answer for that is that it's on Twitter or it's on the internet.
This is the extreme version of "Mr. Searchy is your friend" when it's never even been posted here before. 

I know Spaz isn't even trying to troll with this, but Jesus Christ this is something that Ports might've pulled back in the day: There's a good article somewhere out there, but I ain't posting it!
I've decided to put him on ignore.  Only other troll I ever did that to was Famous Mortimer.  Now I don't have to be annoyed by his drivel.

Now you'll never know what Trump said last year.
Or the  case numbers in Florida. 

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Here's the Mike Mooneyham article on Scott Hall:


https://www.postandcourier.com/sports/wrestling/remembering-the-bad-guy-scott-hall/article_0ea4a17a-a615-11ec-ba1b-734a06f08aed.html

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Angelic Assassin wrote: Here's the Mike Mooneyham article on Scott Hall:


https://www.postandcourier.com/sports/wrestling/remembering-the-bad-guy-scott-hall/article_0ea4a17a-a615-11ec-ba1b-734a06f08aed.html
The article mentions our board in a roundabout way - the Dead Pool.

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At SlamWrestling.net today, we have a look at Scott Hall's time wrestling in Japan, including how he helped put Hiroshi Tanahashi on the trajectory to greatness:

REVISITING SCOTT HALL’S CAREER IN JAPAN — AND THE TANAHASHI UPSET

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GregOliver wrote: At SlamWrestling.net today, we have a look at Scott Hall's time wrestling in Japan, including how he helped put Hiroshi Tanahashi on the trajectory to greatness:

REVISITING SCOTT HALL’S CAREER IN JAPAN — AND THE TANAHASHI UPSET

Good article and I never knew about the Tanahashi match.  It doesn't touch on NWO Japan though and his tours during WCW's peak when he was teaming with Chono and then I think Muto turned and joined in WCW and they continued the angle overseas. 

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DDP put up this tribute to Hall:

https://fb.watch/c4AIorz6ak/

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They had the funeral.  The one you don't know is Scott's son Cody Hall, who is best known as the Bullet Club's young boy in NJPW.

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