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There's been another mass shooting, this time at a Tops Friendly Market in Buffalo, NY.  A man wearing military fatigues and body armor opened fire this afternoon at the supermarket with a rifle, killing at least 10 people and wounding several others.  It's believed he was live-streaming the attack.  He was taken alive and is in custody.  The man has not yet been identified but he was described by witnesses as a white man in his late teens or early 20s.  Witnesses report that he existed the supermarket with his gun underneath his own chin, but then threw the gun down and dropped to his knees, allowing himself to be tackled by police without putting up a fight. 

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The suspect has been identified as an 18-year old who drove approximately 3 hours to the store and does not live in Buffalo. He shot 4 people in the parking lot (killing 3) before going inside. One of the victims is a retired police officer who was providing security at the supermarket. He shot the suspect several times but the body armor prevented any damage. The shooter then turned his rifle on the security guard and fatally shot him before continuing deeper into the store. 

CNN is already reporting this as a racially-charged shooting, although being CNN they seem to have no idea why they're saying this.  The store is located in a predominantly black neighborhood, for what that's worth, but it's unclear if the suspect even could've known that since he's not from Buffalo.

Police suspect there's some kind of online manifesto that might shed light on a motive, but they haven't found it yet.

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I'm familiar with the area. It's a very black neighborhood, and people don't go there randomly or accidentally.

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He believed in the "Replacement Theory". Thought the white population is being replaced by other races. He had racist words on his gun. He was live streaming it.

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"Law enforcement sources told ABC News the alleged shooter's extremist beliefs may have been cultivated online and he appears to have expressed racially motivated extremist views in his online postings.

A 180-page document believed to have been posted on the internet by the suspect, is a hate-filled screed fixated on the notion of "replacement theory," a white supremacist belief that non-whites will eventually replace white people because they have higher birth rates, authorities said.

Gendron, the purported author of the document, espouses racist and anti-Semitic tropes throughout the document, which he appears to have posted before he carried out the alleged attack, according to authorities.

Among the posts that investigators are looking at include online writings in which the suspect praises other mass shooters who were also motivated by racist ideology, including South Carolina church shooter Dylann Roof, the New Zealand mosque shooter Brenton Tarrant and the Pittsburgh Tree of Life synagogue shooter Robert Gregory Bowers.

In the document, the suspect also appears to outline a plan for his alleged attack, including time and place, and writes that he chose this location because there is a high concentration of Black people in the area"

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I'm awaiting the GOP standard reply/dodge
"This isn't a gun issue, it's a mental health issue".

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One on TV already said it. This is never ending. It's the same reaction every single time. Thoughts and Prayers but..

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The victims were identified as 

32-year-old Roberta A. Drury 
52-year-old Margus D. Morrison 
53-year-old Andre Mackneil 
55-year-old Aaron Salter
 62-year-old Geraldine Talley
65-year-old Celestine Chaney
67-year-old Heyward Patterson
 72-year-old Katherine Massey
 77-year-old Pearl Young,
 and 86-year-old Ruth Whitfield.

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BitterOldMan wrote: I'm awaiting the GOP standard reply/dodge
"This isn't a gun issue, it's a mental health issue".


He was taken in last year for a mental health evaluation.

https://mobile.twitter.com/Reuters/status/1526215080903335936?cxt=HHwWgICzwfShmq4qAAAA

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Glenn Greenwald has posted the entire manifesto on his substack


https://mobile.twitter.com/ggreenwald/status/1526214693349728261?cxt=HHwWioC9ga2Lmq4qAAAA

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Franchise wrote: BitterOldMan wrote: I'm awaiting the GOP standard reply/dodge
"This isn't a gun issue, it's a mental health issue".


He was taken in last year for a mental health evaluation.

https://mobile.twitter.com/Reuters/status/1526215080903335936?cxt=HHwWgICzwfShmq4qAAAA

I don't necessarily get the need for mental health qualifiers.  Is anyone who plans a mass shooting completely sane?  Can't we assume by the action that he was unhinged?  Does this somehow make the situation better or worse that he was crazy?

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srossi wrote: Franchise wrote: BitterOldMan wrote: I'm awaiting the GOP standard reply/dodge
"This isn't a gun issue, it's a mental health issue".


He was taken in last year for a mental health evaluation.

https://mobile.twitter.com/Reuters/status/1526215080903335936?cxt=HHwWgICzwfShmq4qAAAA

I don't necessarily get the need for mental health qualifiers.  Is anyone who plans a mass shooting completely sane?  Can't we assume by the action that he was unhinged?  Does this somehow make the situation better or worse that he was crazy?


Well because some people were waiting for the standard GOP reply/dodge about this being tied to mental health and not guns.


probably not


most would


Still extremely tragic

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https://nypost.com/2022/05/16/buffalo-shooting-suspects-kin-blame-covid-19-for-slaughter/


COVID-19 and it's effects will probably be the defense

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krazykid18 wrote: https://nypost.com/2022/05/16/buffalo-shooting-suspects-kin-blame-covid-19-for-slaughter/


COVID-19 and it's effects will probably be the defense

I didn't know a respiratory condition caused racist mindsets.  Someone should just take care of this Epstein Style. 

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Fox news is blaming video games. Not guns or promoting replacement on their network.

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srossi wrote: Franchise wrote: BitterOldMan wrote: I'm awaiting the GOP standard reply/dodge
"This isn't a gun issue, it's a mental health issue".


He was taken in last year for a mental health evaluation.

https://mobile.twitter.com/Reuters/status/1526215080903335936?cxt=HHwWgICzwfShmq4qAAAA

I don't necessarily get the need for mental health qualifiers.  Is anyone who plans a mass shooting completely sane?  Can't we assume by the action that he was unhinged?  Does this somehow make the situation better or worse that he was crazy?
I think you may have missed the point, that someone who has mental health issues that are severe or apparent enough to justify law enforcement and/or public health officals to intervene is still able to legally purchase a gun.

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One detail of the story that I feel hasn't received enough attention is that the shooter was wearing body armor. The incident most likely would have ended sooner and with far fewer victims as there was an armed security guard ( a retired Bufflao police officer who was killed) at the store who responded and shot the shooter, body armor saved him.

There's no right to own body armor and noone beyond law enforcement and the military should have it.

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Days after the racist killings Tucker Carlson doubles down on replacement theory. He is pushing it as a mentally ill teen who killed strangers not as a racist teen who killed and was after black people. That's because the teen believed what he does. 

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BitterOldMan wrote: srossi wrote: Franchise wrote: BitterOldMan wrote: I'm awaiting the GOP standard reply/dodge
"This isn't a gun issue, it's a mental health issue".


He was taken in last year for a mental health evaluation.

https://mobile.twitter.com/Reuters/status/1526215080903335936?cxt=HHwWgICzwfShmq4qAAAA

I don't necessarily get the need for mental health qualifiers.  Is anyone who plans a mass shooting completely sane?  Can't we assume by the action that he was unhinged?  Does this somehow make the situation better or worse that he was crazy?
I think you may have missed the point, that someone who has mental health issues that are severe or apparent enough to justify law enforcement and/or public health officals to intervene is still able to legally purchase a gun.

I don't know if he legally bought the gun (maybe it came out that he did) but would you suggest mandatory psyche evaluations before every purchase?  Maybe forced hospitalization for a week first?  If someone hasn't been flagged yet as a mental health risk, then what are you supposed to do?  Part of the discussion around "it's a mental health issue" is exactly this, not flagging and treating the nutjobs.  Which sounds like exactly what you're talking about too.  You need to identify them first before anything else can happen, including taking away their guns if that's your inclination.  But we are not identifying them very well.

And by the way, your below post about cops and military...I mean really?  How many of them are mentally ill?  I'm going to say a far greater percentage than the general population.  I'll never understand the liberal talking point that they're the only ones who should have access to certain weapons but at the same time they're the ones killing everyone for no reason.  It's just bizarre to me.  Most people need body armor just to protect themselves from trigger happy cops.  



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