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 Posted: Sun May 15th, 2022 03:43 pm
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Let me start off by apologizing for the unwieldy format. 

"Icebergs" have gained in popularity online over the past few years. The subject matter can be virtually anything. The premise is the items at the "top" of the Iceberg is generally common knowledge to anyone with an interest in the subject. As it goes down the Iceberg, the items become more and more obscure and difficult to research. This redditor did an amazingly in-depth iceberg on pro wrestling. It must have taken him months to complete it. If you're into this kind of thing I just ruined your Sunday. To research everything on here would take months. It's a fun little exercise that crosses back and forth between batshit crazy conspiracy theories and little known factoids that haven't been well researched. Have fun and buckle up.










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I guess we here are all in far too deep but just looking at the bottom tier, I know what most of them are referring to.



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I’m not exactly sure what to do with this. I know most of them, but are we supposed to Google some of the others? Signs before things actually happened and time travel conspiracies, I’m not sure what I’d be looking for or if it’s worth it.



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 Posted: Sun May 15th, 2022 05:07 pm
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My favorite one is the In Your House 29. It should be much more near the bottom than it is.


The story goes that the WWF had actually had this PPV but it was never released commercially and very, very few copies of it existed. One guy managed to get his hands on one and saw it had only two matches on it. A 20 man Battle Royal and a Kane vs. Mankind Exploding Barbed Wire Match. Nothing too unbelievable right? So the guy watches it, the Battle Royal was strictly by the numbers. The Kane/Mankind match was pretty run of the mill. The ending called for Kane to pick up Mankind and throw him into the flames. Foley did this stuff all the time. However, this time it was different. Mankind is screaming horribly. He landed wrong and actually caught fire. You could see his skin literally melting off of him. Bone was exposed. Jim Ross of all people was able to grab a fire extinguisher and put the fire out but Mankind didn't move at all. Fade to black. It seems that this match had been recorded years before. Mankind was NOT originally going to be Mick Foley but a lesser known wrestler who they were going to give a huge push too. He died from his burns and when Foley came in they decided to give him the Mankind gimmick. This is top quality stuff if you ask me.



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WongLee wrote: My favorite one is the In Your House 29. It should be much more near the bottom than it is.


The story goes that the WWF had actually had this PPV but it was never released commercially and very, very few copies of it existed. One guy managed to get his hands on one and saw it had only two matches on it. A 20 man Battle Royal and a Kane vs. Mankind Exploding Barbed Wire Match. Nothing too unbelievable right? So the guy watches it, the Battle Royal was strictly by the numbers. The Kane/Mankind match was pretty run of the mill. The ending called for Kane to pick up Mankind and throw him into the flames. Foley did this stuff all the time. However, this time it was different. Mankind is screaming horribly. He landed wrong and actually caught fire. You could see his skin literally melting off of him. Bone was exposed. Jim Ross of all people was able to grab a fire extinguisher and put the fire out but Mankind didn't move at all. Fade to black. It seems that this match had been recorded years before. Mankind was NOT originally going to be Mick Foley but a lesser known wrestler who they were going to give a huge push too. He died from his burns and when Foley came in they decided to give him the Mankind gimmick. This is top quality stuff if you ask me.

This is just fan fiction from Creepypasta, though.



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srossi wrote: I’m not exactly sure what to do with this. I know most of them, but are we supposed to Google some of the others? Signs before things actually happened and time travel conspiracies, I’m not sure what I’d be looking for or if it’s worth it.Don't you want to know if the Undertaker is a Nazi or the bisexual orgies in the Omega locker room? What about the Bella twins poop fetish (which if you're a fan of my posts I had posted this a few months back)? Finally, what about Sammartino vs. an orangatang? I'm going to post that one on the WWWF Facebook page. Their head will actually explode.



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Kriss wrote: WongLee wrote: My favorite one is the In Your House 29. It should be much more near the bottom than it is.


The story goes that the WWF had actually had this PPV but it was never released commercially and very, very few copies of it existed. One guy managed to get his hands on one and saw it had only two matches on it. A 20 man Battle Royal and a Kane vs. Mankind Exploding Barbed Wire Match. Nothing too unbelievable right? So the guy watches it, the Battle Royal was strictly by the numbers. The Kane/Mankind match was pretty run of the mill. The ending called for Kane to pick up Mankind and throw him into the flames. Foley did this stuff all the time. However, this time it was different. Mankind is screaming horribly. He landed wrong and actually caught fire. You could see his skin literally melting off of him. Bone was exposed. Jim Ross of all people was able to grab a fire extinguisher and put the fire out but Mankind didn't move at all. Fade to black. It seems that this match had been recorded years before. Mankind was NOT originally going to be Mick Foley but a lesser known wrestler who they were going to give a huge push too. He died from his burns and when Foley came in they decided to give him the Mankind gimmick. This is top quality stuff if you ask me.

This is just fan fiction from Creepypasta, though.
Yes I know but it's still fantastic.



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 Posted: Sun May 15th, 2022 05:40 pm
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I think it would be more interesting if the obvious nonsense was filtered out and we were left with only verified weird shit. Like you said, whoever put this together did tons of research, but it’s useless if he includes both the crazy and the real. Like the Owen Hart autographed ticket stub from Over the Edge is creepy as fuck and could theoretically exist if he met a fan before the show, but I’d have to spend hours if I wanted to research the veracity of that along with any of the other items of interest on this list.



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Nell Stewart tube ligation?
At least something different.

I am so annoyed by those people writing about semi-recent crap. Wrestling has had completely forgotten high profile stories which are probably mindblowing, like Teodor Sztekker, who probably tried to murder at least one wrestler and/or official, only to be murdered himself. Randolph Turpin (a boxing champ!), Gorilla Grubmeyer and who knows how many proto-Benoits.

And how the fuck is Johnny Walkers rape charge hard to research? You'd have to be illitaterate for it to be hard.

I am kinda intrigued by some names, but probably in vain. There is weird shit to stumble over. Like, I think an alleged Georgia TV jobber shot his wife in their driveway around 1983. Couldn't find anything about his alleged wrestling career though

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BTW - why has nobody looked into the West Memphis 3 in the last 25 years? It was in the Observer, yet nobody gives a damn about Jessie Misskelleys wrestling connection.

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indikator wrote: Nell Stewart tube ligation?
At least something different.

I am so annoyed by those people writing about semi-recent crap. Wrestling has had completely forgotten high profile stories which are probably mindblowing, like Teodor Sztekker, who probably tried to murder at least one wrestler and/or official, only to be murdered himself. Randolph Turpin (a boxing champ!), Gorilla Grubmeyer and who knows how many proto-Benoits.

And how the fuck is Johnny Walkers rape charge hard to research? You'd have to be illitaterate for it to be hard.

I am kinda intrigued by some names, but probably in vain. There is weird shit to stumble over. Like, I think an alleged Georgia TV jobber shot his wife in their driveway around 1983. Couldn't find anything about his alleged wrestling career though

Leon Kirilenko was convicted of many crimes, twice for being a child molester and used his wrestling career as a good way to change his name and travel the country to try to avoid justice. One of many true heels from the early days of wrestling.

I've actually thought about writing something about all these stories, but it would be a lot of work for a very small audience, and I don't think there's enough information just by going through the newspaper archives.

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 Posted: Sun May 15th, 2022 06:28 pm
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Kriss wrote:
I've actually thought about writing something about all these stories, but it would be a lot of work for a very small audience, and I don't think there's enough information just by going through the newspaper archives.
You could think about putting stories like that on Reddit. It would reach a fairly large world-wide audience. There are also various Facebook groups which would eat up those stories. As you mentioned though, research materials may only scratch the surface.



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Sissy Boy Slap Party was definitely Kenny Omega's finest moment



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