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 Posted: Tue May 17th, 2022 03:37 pm
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For those who have asked about the Raw walkout, one version of the story that has been floated by several PWInsider.com has spoken with is that the originally conceived finish was that the WWE Women's Tag Team Champions would face off during the main event of Raw in the Six Pack Challenge, with Naomi beating Banks to end the match.

PWInsider.com is that the original plan for Raw would have seen Banks and Naomi featured in two or three segments building up the idea that they would be facing off in the Six Pack Challenge. Raw would have gone off the air with the pair celebrating that Naomi was going to face Belair at the Hell in the Cell PPV.

The conceived storyline idea was that Naomi would then go on to Hell In A Cell and lose to Bianca Belair. There are some who believe that at this week’s Smackdown, an angle would have also been shot for Sasha Banks to wrestle and lose to Ronda Rousey, likely also at HIAC. So, the Women's Tag Team Champions would have effectively have been used to put over the Raw and Smackdown Women's Championship titleholders.

We are told that at some point during the day, likely after the initial concerns about creative were raised, there was an alternative idea that would have been Banks and Naomi have a short tag team match instead and be beat down after to set up a different program. One source cited their opponents would have been Nikki A.S.H. and Doudrop but we have not 100% confirmed that to be the case.

We are told that shortly before Raw, Banks and Naomi were informed by WWE Producer Molly Holly that WWE was going with the Six Pack Challenge direction with Naomi going over. Shortly after, they informed John Laurinaitis they were leaving.

PWInsider.com is told Vince McMahon, sitting at the gorilla position was told about the talents leaving just as or right after Raw went on the air. The Becky Lynch-Adam Pearce segment was pitched on the spot (one source credited Lynch with the idea) and Vince McMahon ordered it to be shot and then placed into the show to start explaining the change to the by-now announced Raw main event.

The belief among some is that the creative issue was not with Banks losing to Naomi but how the duo would have been portrayed over the next several weeks, especially after they had put so much time into building their team once Vince McMahon issued an edict that they would be teaming and winning the Women’s Tag Team titles at Wrestlemania 38 - and that after diving into building that team, they were going to wrestle each other and go off to put over other talents, leaving them, exactly where, which apparently was the crux of the issue. The WWE plan looks to have been that the WWE Women’s Tag Team Championship would have been downplayed until their next program after Hell In A Cell concluded.

There are two trains of thought here, depending on what side of the fence you are on:

1 - Sasha Banks and Naomi stood up against what they felt was bad creative that worked against them and everything they had built for themselves over the last several months. Therefore, they were fighting for themselves, what they felt was best and their fans.

2 - Sasha Banks and Naomi were talents who were instructed to do what the promotion that pays them wanted them to do, fought against it and when they didn’t beat City Hall, instead opted to walk out and not perform. Therefore, they let the company and their own fans down.

That’s a black and white way of looking at things. The truth, however, probably sits somewhere in a gray area in the middle. Some are going to think Banks and Naomi were being marks for themselves, especially in the unfathomable situation where a talent is told she is going over in the main event of Monday Night Raw, balks at the idea and walks out. Some will easily point at Banks and Naomi and claim this was an ego or an attitude issue. Others will look at this as a moment where talents, faced with creative that didn't click or have any true building blocks underneath it to support it, shoved back and refused, wanting something better for themselves and the audience. It all depends on what side you have sympathy for and believe was in the right, based on the information at hand.

Only a few know for sure what was said in the room when it all went down. The true unanswered question here is what happened in the meeting with Vince McMahon. Did he agree to change some of the direction and then changed his mind? Did he put his foot down and say absolutely not? Did other producers or creative team members get involved? Were Banks and Naomi told to stop the arguments and go with the plan? We don't know, as we don’t yet have those answers.

We do, however, have WWE’s statement and Corey Graves’ comments on Raw about the duo being unprofessional. The statement comes off as if someone from WWE’s legal department laid it out, building the foundation for an argument that Banks and Naomi had potentially breached their WWE contracts, putting WWE in a position where they couldn’t deliver their advertised main event.

Surely, there have been an infinite amount of times where WWE advertised and didn’t deliver something, but they can always argue that they changed their scripted storylines, where he, the talents refused to play their parts. After all, they could argue, if you are The Walking Dead, you don’t get to argue you don’t want to get bit by the zombie this week, but that’s what Banks and Naomi allegedly did, therefore WWE and their fans were harmed. From the outside looking in, you can see them winding up that pitch.

The comments on Raw about the duo being unprofessional came off as if they were dictated by Vince McMahon himself. You know if there’s one thing McMahon doesn’t want, it’s to have to change his TV show for the umpteenth time for any outside reason beyond his own whims. Whether all the parties make up today or tomorrow, in the moment, you could feel the Vince “doesn’t give a sh**” - anger coming through on that line of commentary.

The WWE statement issued to PWInsider.com last night was later published on WWE’s website and social media. It was also sent to the entire talent roster.

As to whether this was a work, it wasn't. But, that doesn't mean that should things smooth over, things cannot retroactively be worked into WWE's official storylines.

As of this morning, Banks and Naomi remain on WWE’s active roster internally. If, where and when they appear on WWE programming again remains to be seen - as is the status of the WWE Women’s Tag Team Championship - and there won’t be any clarity on that if and until there’s additional communication between the two sides. Whether this becomes something that gradually blows over or becomes a more involved legal issue remains to be seen in the days ahead.



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A more involved legal issue? Okay. Maybe one for Judge Steve Harvey, but this is an HR issue



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Honestly it all makes total sense if you just understand how some people wrap themselves up in their characters. It's rarer today than 25 years ago, but it still happens. As scripted as "Total Divas" was, the one thing that shown through very clearly was that the women in particular REALLY took the slightest segment or push to be a serious milestone, and if the slightest thing was cut they were crushed beyond mortal comprehension. Naomi spent an entire episode bragging about her "glow entrance" because they cut the lights for it, which had only been done for The Undertaker before (not true, but that's what she thought). She really put herself of that level based on a costume. And Sasha is even more nuts and has walked out before. So knowing this, it's easy to see that they viewed the Women's Tag titles one way, while every other person in the world didn't view it at all. And then they got to talking with each other and riled each other up and worked themselves into a lather and did something dumb.



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I am totally confused.

First of all what is a 6 pack challenge?



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Benlen wrote: I am totally confused.

First of all what is a 6 pack challenge?

Just a 6-way match.



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So to sum up Mike Johnson's long winded manifesto, the talent were to blame or they weren't.



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wittman2 wrote: So to sum up Mike Johnson's long winded manifesto, the talent were to blame or they weren't.
It was an opinion piece mixed with a factual piece that refused to give an opinion and was light on facts. 



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WWE has pulled Banks and Naomi from all events, televised and non, through July.



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Benlen wrote: I am totally confused.

First of all what is a 6 pack challenge?


Buy us a couple 6 packs and I'll show you.



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Angelic Assassin wrote: Benlen wrote: I am totally confused.

First of all what is a 6 pack challenge?


Buy us a couple 6 packs and I'll show you.

He'll have to buy you at least a 12 pack since it's low alcohol content American Beer.

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Someone close to Naomi and Sasha Banks(@Adidas_head88 on Twitter who IS followed by Naomi) was apparently given permission to share their side of the story:

"You are approached in February as being put in a tag team, after both being promised big feuds at WM. You bite the bullet and put everything you got into being a tag team. It works, you get over, win the titles at WM and become merch pushers.

5 weeks into your reign you show up to live TV and ready to work.

You are told you will be in the main event, and you are happy. You both are then told that one of will be going over from pinning the other. You have questions why that decision was made, and how it helps y'all.

You request a meeting with your boss to discuss it. Your boss takes the meeting and everything is actually going well. He understands your concerns. The meeting ends well and the match is told to be reconstructed. For some reason producers get mad about it.

You then ask with one of your members going over, what happens to your titles? You are told basically that you will just be carrying the belts. They want to use you both to help both women's champions get more over.

Bianca vs. Naomi
Sasha vs. Ronda

Neither one of you will win the solo titles, and you won't defend your tag titles until MITB.

You ask for another meeting with your boss, but this time you are being called spoiled. A producer walks away screaming.

He comes back and tell both of you to fix your attitudes.

Y'all have a brief meeting amongst yourselves and decide to stand up for yourselves. You go to another boss, and make it clear you just have concerns.

You ask why are we even in the match and why aren't other women in it? You ask why your titles have no stories for two months?

Again you are met with fix your attitudes.

So after one final meeting with yourselves and asking others, you make the ultimate decision as a team.

It's sad how oneside is trying to create a fucked up narrative.

Also, it was asked why were Nikki ASH and Doudrop in the match instead of starting their program tonight. Naomi nor Sasha talked down about being in the ring with either one. Idk how that got flipped."



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Michael Cole brought it up again tonight on Smackdown.  Even though they allegedly walked out, he announced they are suspended indefinitely and that there will be a tournament to crown new tag champs.  He buried them, said they let millions of WWE fans down, colleagues, etc.  My question is:  Why does WWE keep bringing it up?  They talk about it so much it feels like a work.

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Boz1515 wrote: My question is:  Why does WWE keep bringing it up?
I hope it is to send a message to the rest of the talent.  If you do not do your job, theirs the door and we will let everyone know.  
A lot of others have done more, and some even laid down to lose, and they were much better talent.  Its all ego again and they think to good to do what was asked.

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Ron wrote: Boz1515 wrote: My question is:  Why does WWE keep bringing it up?
I hope it is to send a message to the rest of the talent.  If you do not do your job, theirs the door and we will let everyone know.  
A lot of others have done more, and some even laid down to lose, and they were much better talent.  Its all ego again and they think to good to do what was asked.

It’s also preparing a potential breach of contract lawsuit if needed, according to Meltzer. Card is always subject to change, but they made a big deal over not being able to deliver an advertised main event, and could use that in the future to hold them over a barrel, although it’s unlikely to come to that. I’m really amused by people who still thinks WWE at this point is trying to work the smarks when they’re on autopilot and just trying to impress shareholders and potential buyers. Some wrestling fans are so smart they’re fucking retarded. 



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srossi wrote: Ron wrote: Boz1515 wrote: My question is:  Why does WWE keep bringing it up?
I hope it is to send a message to the rest of the talent.  If you do not do your job, theirs the door and we will let everyone know.  
A lot of others have done more, and some even laid down to lose, and they were much better talent.  Its all ego again and they think to good to do what was asked.

It’s also preparing a potential breach of contract lawsuit if needed, according to Meltzer. Card is always subject to change, but they made a big deal over not being able to deliver an advertised main event, and could use that in the future to hold them over a barrel, although it’s unlikely to come to that. I’m really amused by people who still thinks WWE at this point is trying to work the smarks when they’re on autopilot and just trying to impress shareholders and potential buyers. Some wrestling fans are so smart they’re fucking retarded. 

How much of your crypto and Tony Khan money you will bet that at Clash of the Castle it will be Doudrop and Nikki Ash vs Sasha and Naomi for the tag titles??

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