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We all have seen and heard the news, the footage, etc. about January 6, 2021.  

In your opinion, was this actually a coup attempt by Trump and his minions? 

Was this a peaceful protest that was compromised by agitators to make the Trumpsters look bad?  

Why were the Proud Boys and Oath Keepers there?  Do you think they were actually told to show up by Trump and/or his team?  Did they show up there on their own just to show allegiance to Trump?  

Do you think there should be punishment administered to the rioters?  Was this an action against the United States government or more of a display of support for Donald Trump?  

Do you think Donald Trump should be held responsible for anything that occurred that day? 


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It was never meant to be peaceful. Virtually everybody that went to it was wound up by Trump for weeks. I think Trump should bear a brunt of the responsibility for it also. And no, I don't think it was a mass hysteria meant to overthrow the US Gov't, it was meant to keep Trump in control of it. The only agitators were the Trump supporters...I don't believe there were any plants in the crowd to fuck with them.

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Superstar wrote: It was never meant to be peaceful. Virtually everybody that went to it was wound up by Trump for weeks. I think Trump should bear a brunt of the responsibility for it also. And no, I don't think it was a mass hysteria meant to overthrow the US Gov't, it was meant to keep Trump in control of it. The only agitators were the Trump supporters...I don't believe there were any plants in the crowd to fuck with them.
I agree but I think most there got in over their heads.  They expected the typical prancing and preening and weren't expecting an actual storming of the Capitol.  When that started, most came to their senses and got the fuck out of there or held way back, and you can see that in the videos.  Some got caught up in the moment because they're not very bright people in the first place and didn't comprehend the seriousness of being anywhere near the front lines of a coup.  Years of too much shit-posting online desensitized them to the consequences of that action.  But there were a couple hundred people there minimum who planned violence and saw this as the moment they had been preparing for online for year, the same way as some mass shooters. 

We live in a society where words rarely have legal consequences anymore, which is a good thing.  You can be "canceled", but that only works if you have something to lose.  Most of these people don't, so it comes down to "Can I be arrested or killed or not for doing something."  And the answer is almost always no.  People understood in the 1700s and 1800s that if you did even minor things like distribute anti-government pamphlets, you absolutely might be hung for it, even if technically it might be legal.  You had to really be a bad-ass who believed to spread political propaganda.  That's gone now and it became a game to these people through way too much social media, even when their words crossed into actions and they were live-streaming themselves crawling through broken windows in the Capitol itself.  There's almost literally no other point in history and no other country in the world where all of those people wouldn't have been brutally murdered on the spot.  And of course there's no other people in history who would do such a thing and not fully expect to die for it, and be OK with that because they believe.  But these cosplayers are surprised and whining that they might get 2 years in jail.  

As for Trump, he's such an egomaniac I think he was beyond flattered that he could get his minions to do that for him, and didn't want to stop them.  There's no doubt he riled them up and wanted that to happen, his words that morning can't be taken any other way.  He probably just didn't expect them to actually do it because everyone is always a keyboard warrior but don't like to get their hands dirty.  

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Superstar wrote: It was never meant to be peaceful. Virtually everybody that went to it was wound up by Trump for weeks. I think Trump should bear a brunt of the responsibility for it also. And no, I don't think it was a mass hysteria meant to overthrow the US Gov't, it was meant to keep Trump in control of it. The only agitators were the Trump supporters...I don't believe there were any plants in the crowd to fuck with them.

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KGB wrote: Superstar wrote: It was never meant to be peaceful. Virtually everybody that went to it was wound up by Trump for weeks. I think Trump should bear a brunt of the responsibility for it also. And no, I don't think it was a mass hysteria meant to overthrow the US Gov't, it was meant to keep Trump in control of it. The only agitators were the Trump supporters...I don't believe there were any plants in the crowd to fuck with them.

Ray Epps.


I never heard of him, but here is a news story on him. 

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/05/05/us/jan-6-ray-epps-evidence.html

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Papa Voo wrote: KGB wrote: Superstar wrote: It was never meant to be peaceful. Virtually everybody that went to it was wound up by Trump for weeks. I think Trump should bear a brunt of the responsibility for it also. And no, I don't think it was a mass hysteria meant to overthrow the US Gov't, it was meant to keep Trump in control of it. The only agitators were the Trump supporters...I don't believe there were any plants in the crowd to fuck with them.

Ray Epps.


I never heard of him, but here is a news story on him. 

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/05/05/us/jan-6-ray-epps-evidence.html


You never heard of him because there’s nothing to hear. It’s conspiracy theory nonsense that’s been disproven. 

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Trump revved up his supporters that also include The Proud Boys over and over saying the election was rigged and it was stolen from them. He only cared about himself though. He encouraged everyone to go there. He enjoyed it while it was happening even when they wanted to hang Pence. His own people told him to go on TV to cool things down because they would listen to him and he wouldn't do it because in his eyes they were doing it for him. And when he eventually released a video saying they should leave he told them he loved them. :cool:

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srossi wrote: Superstar wrote: It was never meant to be peaceful. Virtually everybody that went to it was wound up by Trump for weeks. I think Trump should bear a brunt of the responsibility for it also. And no, I don't think it was a mass hysteria meant to overthrow the US Gov't, it was meant to keep Trump in control of it. The only agitators were the Trump supporters...I don't believe there were any plants in the crowd to fuck with them.
I agree but I think most there got in over their heads.  They expected the typical prancing and preening and weren't expecting an actual storming of the Capitol.  When that started, most came to their senses and got the fuck out of there or held way back, and you can see that in the videos.  Some got caught up in the moment because they're not very bright people in the first place and didn't comprehend the seriousness of being anywhere near the front lines of a coup.  Years of too much shit-posting online desensitized them to the consequences of that action.  But there were a couple hundred people there minimum who planned violence and saw this as the moment they had been preparing for online for year, the same way as some mass shooters. 

We live in a society where words rarely have legal consequences anymore, which is a good thing.  You can be "canceled", but that only works if you have something to lose.  Most of these people don't, so it comes down to "Can I be arrested or killed or not for doing something."  And the answer is almost always no.  People understood in the 1700s and 1800s that if you did even minor things like distribute anti-government pamphlets, you absolutely might be hung for it, even if technically it might be legal.  You had to really be a bad-ass who believed to spread political propaganda.  That's gone now and it became a game to these people through way too much social media, even when their words crossed into actions and they were live-streaming themselves crawling through broken windows in the Capitol itself.  There's almost literally no other point in history and no other country in the world where all of those people wouldn't have been brutally murdered on the spot.  And of course there's no other people in history who would do such a thing and not fully expect to die for it, and be OK with that because they believe.  But these cosplayers are surprised and whining that they might get 2 years in jail.  

As for Trump, he's such an egomaniac I think he was beyond flattered that he could get his minions to do that for him, and didn't want to stop them.  There's no doubt he riled them up and wanted that to happen, his words that morning can't be taken any other way.  He probably just didn't expect them to actually do it because everyone is always a keyboard warrior but don't like to get their hands dirty.  

I really think part of what you say is also because people treat political parties like they're fucking sports teams.  It has always been that way, but exacerbated in the last 10-15 years.  Root for the cloth no matter what's being said.

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srossi wrote: Papa Voo wrote: KGB wrote: Superstar wrote: It was never meant to be peaceful. Virtually everybody that went to it was wound up by Trump for weeks. I think Trump should bear a brunt of the responsibility for it also. And no, I don't think it was a mass hysteria meant to overthrow the US Gov't, it was meant to keep Trump in control of it. The only agitators were the Trump supporters...I don't believe there were any plants in the crowd to fuck with them.

Ray Epps.


I never heard of him, but here is a news story on him. 

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/05/05/us/jan-6-ray-epps-evidence.html


You never heard of him because there’s nothing to hear. It’s conspiracy theory nonsense that’s been disproven. 


Sure.  The NYT and Politifact said so and their word is gospel.  They never serve as court stenographers for their very good friends in government. 

  And we all know the FBI doesn't insert itself into politically volatile situations in order to entrap people.  Why, I can't think of a single case in recent times in which they've done that, especially not in Michigan.  It's funny, it's almost as if your often violent dislike and distrust of law enforcement is quite selective upon further examination.  Were there enough people in DC to "parade" through the Capitol without undercover provocation?  Surely.  But that doesn't mean there weren't Cloud People instigators helping matters along.  

Were the events of that day a good thing?  Absolutely.  If for no other reason that it laid bare how craven and useless our rulers are.  The fact that they cowered under desks, invented stories of narrow escapes, and held post-event confabs where they could all cry on each others' shoulders, are good things.  Jefferson wrote about this over two centuries ago, that tyrants need to taste fear in order to keep them in line.

The fact that we're now being spoon fed a Soviet style kangaroo court is good news too.  They're being open about their insatiable need to lie and persecute and despise.  That will open a few more sets of eyeballs.  Every little bit helps.  One person was killed on 1/6, and that was Ashli Babbitt, murdered at point blank range by the kind of cop that srossi does like.  Honest people know that and will recognize the truly despicable nature of the people running and broadcasting this bit of political theater.

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I think every demonstration from DisruptJ20 to Jan 6 that resulted in property damage, injury and or loss of life was wrong.

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KGB wrote: srossi wrote: Papa Voo wrote: KGB wrote: Superstar wrote: It was never meant to be peaceful. Virtually everybody that went to it was wound up by Trump for weeks. I think Trump should bear a brunt of the responsibility for it also. And no, I don't think it was a mass hysteria meant to overthrow the US Gov't, it was meant to keep Trump in control of it. The only agitators were the Trump supporters...I don't believe there were any plants in the crowd to fuck with them.

Ray Epps.


I never heard of him, but here is a news story on him. 

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/05/05/us/jan-6-ray-epps-evidence.html


You never heard of him because there’s nothing to hear. It’s conspiracy theory nonsense that’s been disproven. 


Sure.  The NYT and Politifact said so and their word is gospel.  They never serve as court stenographers for their very good friends in government. 

  And we all know the FBI doesn't insert itself into politically volatile situations in order to entrap people.  Why, I can't think of a single case in recent times in which they've done that, especially not in Michigan.  It's funny, it's almost as if your often violent dislike and distrust of law enforcement is quite selective upon further examination.  Were there enough people in DC to "parade" through the Capitol without undercover provocation?  Surely.  But that doesn't mean there weren't Cloud People instigators helping matters along.  

Were the events of that day a good thing?  Absolutely.  If for no other reason that it laid bare how craven and useless our rulers are.  The fact that they cowered under desks, invented stories of narrow escapes, and held post-event confabs where they could all cry on each others' shoulders, are good things.  Jefferson wrote about this over two centuries ago, that tyrants need to taste fear in order to keep them in line.

The fact that we're now being spoon fed a Soviet style kangaroo court is good news too.  They're being open about their insatiable need to lie and persecute and despise.  That will open a few more sets of eyeballs.  Every little bit helps.  One person was killed on 1/6, and that was Ashli Babbitt, murdered at point blank range by the kind of cop that srossi does like.  Honest people know that and will recognize the truly despicable nature of the people running and broadcasting this bit of political theater.


Thanks Tucker.

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Another great thing about the hearings it reminds you of the lies told that you may have forgotten. Lol they have all of it.

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Trump made 250 million from a "Election Defence Fund" that did not exist. Lot's of interesting things revealed yesterday. Lol

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Rachel Maddow posited last night that Trump deliberately tanked the election so that he could then pitch a fit over losing the election.  You're in good company, Spatch.  

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Rachel Maddow being an idiot and Trump being a power and attention hungry carny aren’t mutually exclusive.

Maddow is pretty much Tucker Carlson but she’s run her car off into the left ditch instead of the right ditch.

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gwlee7 wrote: Rachel Maddow being an idiot and Trump being a power and attention hungry carny aren’t mutually exclusive.

Maddow is pretty much Tucker Carlson but she’s run her car off into the left ditch instead of the right ditch.

My favorite Rachel Maddow moment is when she assured everyone that if they just got their Covid vaccine they would never ever get Covid. I’ve never seen her retract that statement, but she made it even after the CDC said it wasn’t true at all. Talk about spreading fake news. 

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gwlee7 wrote: Rachel Maddow being an idiot and Trump being a power and attention hungry carny aren’t mutually exclusive.

Maddow is pretty much Tucker Carlson but she’s run her car off into the left ditch instead of the right ditch.

This right here.

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    According to USA Today

    Kimberly Guilfoyle, a former presidential adviser and fiancée to Donald Trump Jr., was paid $60,000 for an appearance at a rally just before the Jan. 6 riot at the Capitol using money raised for an "Election Defense Fund," according to a member of the House committee investigating the attack.

    Rep. Zoe Lofgren, D-Calif., told CNN's Jake Tapper in an interview Monday the committee had discovered that Guilfoyle was paid for the 2.5-minute speech using money Trump raised as he aired the conspiracy that the 2020 election was stolen.

    Former President Donald Trump's fundraising after losing the election was among the targets of the committee's second public hearing on Monday.

    "So not only was there the big lie, there was the big rip-off," Lofgren said Monday. “Donors deserve to know where their funds are really going. They deserve better than what President Trump and his team did."


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    Has Hillary been arrested yet? I mean Trump, has Trump been arrested yet?

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    the crazy thing is his loyal supporters likely won't care they were lied too.

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    About 24 hours before the January 6 Capitol attack, a Republican member of Congress, Barry Loudermilk, led an unofficial tour through the House office buildings, passing by the security checkpoints located at the entrances to the tunnels leading towards the Capitol building.
    The tour included a man who took photos of the tunnel entrances and the US Capitol police checkpoints, and then joined thousands of Donald Trump supporters the following day to march on the Capitol from the rally on the Ellipse.
    That person’s activity was captured on security cameras and turned over to the House select committee investigating the insurrection at the Capitol. The panel made the footage publicly available on Wednesday in a letter demanding cooperation in its inquiry from Loudermilk.
    Screenshot of the security camera video that was released to the January 6 committee. Photograph: Congressional January 6 committeeThe footage showing the man, and others, stopping to photograph the tunnels and checkpoints bolsters the allegation from Democrats that the tour amounted to a reconnaissance event in preparation for the Capitol attack.

    It also cast doubt on Loudermilk’s previous denials that he led a tour connected in any way to January 6. Loudermilk first denied he led a tour, then said he gave a tour only to families with young children, then said he gave a tour to about 16 people.
    The video evidence additionally challenged a recent letter from the US Capitol police chief, Tom Manger, who informed Loudermilk that “we train our officers on being alert for people conducting surveillance … we do not consider any of the activities we observed as suspicious.”

    The tour was also notable because officially, tours were banned at the time due to Covid measures. The only people in the Capitol that day should have been members of Congress and staff, reporters, US Capitol police and official business visitors.
    But members of Congress tend to bend rules as they see fit. For instance, two sources familiar with the matter said, a member wanting to give a tour could have given one name to the appointments desk and have an entire group let in.

     Congressional January 6 The Loudermilk tour was cleared into a House office building by a staffer, the select committee said in the letter. The group would probably have been registered as an official visit to Loudermilk’s office but took the “scenic” route on the way in or out, the sources said.

    The sources spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss how the group might have been authorized to be in the complex. They added it was possible the names of the entire group were never recorded, but if they were, it would be in the possession of the House sergeant at arms.

    Member-led tours – including to the Capitol dome, which then congresswoman-elect Lauren Boebert managed on 12 December 2020 – have since returned to the Capitol, though the procedure is more stringent and visitors must be submitted and vetted in advance.

    According to the select committee, Loudermilk led an hours-long tour for approximately 10 people around the Rayburn, Cannon and Longworth House office buildings, as well as the tunnels leading from Rayburn and Longworth to the Capitol building itself.
    “Individuals on the tour photographed and recorded areas of the complex not typically of interest to tourists,” the panel’s chairman, Bennie Thompson, wrote in the letter to Loudermilk. “The January 5, 2021 tour raises concerns about their activity and intent.”
    The man who took photos of the tunnels travelled to Washington on 4 January 2021, appearing to depart Georgia in the early morning on one of several “Keep America Great” coaches. It made a short stop in South Carolina before continuing to Washington.
    He then toured the House office buildings the following day as part of Loudermilk’s group, recording himself in the basement rotunda of Cannon around 1pm on 5 January 2021, according to a Facebook live video he posted.

    The select committee added that it had learned that some of the people on Loudermilk’s tour attended the Save America rally that took place on the Ellipse on the morning of January 6, where Trump spoke and urged his supporters to march to the Capitol.
    Citing additional video clips obtained in its investigation, the panel said the man that took a photograph of a staircase in Longworth, located next to a hallway leading to one of the tunnels, joined the march to the Capitol and threatened members of Congress.
    “There’s no escape Pelosi, Schumer, Nadler,” the man said as the Capitol was being breached, the video shows. “They’re coming in, coming in like white on rice for Pelosi, Nadler, even you, AOC. We’re coming to take you out and pull you out by your hairs.”
    The select committee had previously requested voluntary cooperation from Loudermilk last month, which he flatly refused as he denied any wrongdoing. The latest request came with screenshots of the tour group taking photos of secure areas.

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    NEW: Jan. 6 committee member Pete Aguilar says Trump knew there was a mob storming the Capitol when he tweeted at 2:24p saying Pence did not have the “courage” to do the right thing — putting Pence’s life in jeopardy

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    Trump on Pence not trying to overturn the election results..

     “I never called Mike Pence a wimp. Mike Pence had a chance to be great. He had a chance to be, frankly, historic. But just like Bill Barr and the rest of these weak people, Mike did not have the courage to act.”

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    Cassidy Hutchinson blowing it up right now. I just turned this on. Claims Trump tried to attack his limo driver and take control of the wheel and then later Trump threw a plate up against the wall.

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    Blazer wrote: Cassidy Hutchinson blowing it up right now. I just turned this on. Claims Trump tried to attack his limo driver and take control of the wheel and then later Trump threw a plate up against the wall. 
    While in the limo Trump was climbing over the drivers back and trying to wrestle away control of the wheel? 

    If it was a 45lbs plate id be impressed especially if he tossed it like frisbee. 

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    Franchise wrote: Blazer wrote: Cassidy Hutchinson blowing it up right now. I just turned this on. Claims Trump tried to attack his limo driver and take control of the wheel and then later Trump threw a plate up against the wall. 
    While in the limo Trump was climbing over the drivers back and trying to wrestle away control of the wheel? 

    If it was a 45lbs plate id be impressed especially if he tossed it like frisbee. 


    At this point it seems like they'll believe anything.  You could make a game out of it, something like:

    "Trump (past tense verb) an innocent baby because (Trump crony) told him the baby had voted for (noble Progressive of color)."

    Maybe you could call it something like, oh I don't know, Mad Libs

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    Blazer wrote: Cassidy Hutchinson blowing it up right now. I just turned this on. Claims Trump tried to attack his limo driver and take control of the wheel and then later Trump threw a plate up against the wall.This sounds weird enough with proper context I'm sure, but with no context (not your fault I am just not following any of this) this doesn't make any sense to me.

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    khawk wrote: Blazer wrote: Cassidy Hutchinson blowing it up right now. I just turned this on. Claims Trump tried to attack his limo driver and take control of the wheel and then later Trump threw a plate up against the wall.This sounds weird enough with proper context I'm sure, but with no context (not your fault I am just not following any of this) this doesn't make any sense to me.

    Maybe the Limo driver was flipping through pics of the 1st lady doing her lesbian porn. 

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    For whatever its worth


    https://mobile.twitter.com/GabbyOrr_/status/1541940680716599298

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    khawk wrote: Blazer wrote: Cassidy Hutchinson blowing it up right now. I just turned this on. Claims Trump tried to attack his limo driver and take control of the wheel and then later Trump threw a plate up against the wall.This sounds weird enough with proper context I'm sure, but with no context (not your fault I am just not following any of this) this doesn't make any sense to me.


    I have no idea if this occurred, but I could see this occurring very easily.  That ego “trumps” everything else. 

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    Papa Voo wrote: khawk wrote: Blazer wrote: Cassidy Hutchinson blowing it up right now. I just turned this on. Claims Trump tried to attack his limo driver and take control of the wheel and then later Trump threw a plate up against the wall.This sounds weird enough with proper context I'm sure, but with no context (not your fault I am just not following any of this) this doesn't make any sense to me.


    I have no idea if this occurred, but I could see this occurring very easily.  That ego “trumps” everything else. 

    Are we supposed to believe that everyone is just blatantly lying to bury Trump even though almost everyone who testified is a Republican and was (and in some cases still are) huge Trump supporters?  Either all this stuff is true or Trump is an even bigger asshole of it’s not and he made all his friends turn on him. 

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    srossi wrote: Papa Voo wrote: khawk wrote: Blazer wrote: Cassidy Hutchinson blowing it up right now. I just turned this on. Claims Trump tried to attack his limo driver and take control of the wheel and then later Trump threw a plate up against the wall.This sounds weird enough with proper context I'm sure, but with no context (not your fault I am just not following any of this) this doesn't make any sense to me.


    I have no idea if this occurred, but I could see this occurring very easily.  That ego “trumps” everything else. 

    Are we supposed to believe that everyone is just blatantly lying to bury Trump even though almost everyone who testified is a Republican and was (and in some cases still are) huge Trump supporters?


    This is all orchestrated by the Deep State.  

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    I have no idea anymore. I’m willing to believe the Billy Jack Haynes story more than this. She made a huge point of mentioning that she had to clean up the ketchup off the wall after Trump threw his plate of food. And the thought of Trump trying to commandeer a limo and drive it from the backseat doesn’t make a whole hell of a lot of sense. Neither does Billy Jack leaving a summer ‘87 house show tour to go help some drug cartel with a drop in rural Arkansas. Cassidy is easy on the eyes, so it’s a fun story at least.

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    srossi wrote: Papa Voo wrote: khawk wrote: Blazer wrote: Cassidy Hutchinson blowing it up right now. I just turned this on. Claims Trump tried to attack his limo driver and take control of the wheel and then later Trump threw a plate up against the wall.This sounds weird enough with proper context I'm sure, but with no context (not your fault I am just not following any of this) this doesn't make any sense to me.


    I have no idea if this occurred, but I could see this occurring very easily.  That ego “trumps” everything else. 

    Are we supposed to believe that everyone is just blatantly lying to bury Trump even though almost everyone who testified is a Republican and was (and in some cases still are) huge Trump supporters?  Either all this stuff is true or Trump is an even bigger asshole of it’s not and he made all his friends turn on him. 


    I think it's a mixed bag; probably some grifters, some people trying to get into the good graces of the Uniparty, some people are probably scared & might be trying a little too hard to "remember" & Trump might be a bad friend to those he works with. 

    Like most arguments the truth is probably somewhere in the middle but that's no good for TV. 

    Why didn't the committee have the Secret Service agents in question present when Cassidy was giving this testimony? That way they could verify or debunk what happened. Doing it the way they did makes me feel like we will see a statement in a few days from the agents disputing it all but it will largely go unnoticed and certainly not included in the official congressional record immediately following Cassidy's testimony, it will probably just be a footnote buried in the rest of the corrections.  

     

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    This incident was another reminder that this is a Soviet-style show trial.  

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    Vintage Simpsons clip used to summarize J6 trial

    https://mobile.twitter.com/thevivafrei/status/1542191221468192769

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    Trump limo meme


    https://mobile.twitter.com/grandoldmemes/status/1541910519375880194?cxt=HHwWhICz7dXc--UqAAAA

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    Franchise wrote: srossi wrote: Papa Voo wrote: khawk wrote: Blazer wrote: Cassidy Hutchinson blowing it up right now. I just turned this on. Claims Trump tried to attack his limo driver and take control of the wheel and then later Trump threw a plate up against the wall.This sounds weird enough with proper context I'm sure, but with no context (not your fault I am just not following any of this) this doesn't make any sense to me.


    I have no idea if this occurred, but I could see this occurring very easily.  That ego “trumps” everything else. 

    Are we supposed to believe that everyone is just blatantly lying to bury Trump even though almost everyone who testified is a Republican and was (and in some cases still are) huge Trump supporters?  Either all this stuff is true or Trump is an even bigger asshole of it’s not and he made all his friends turn on him. 


    I think it's a mixed bag; probably some grifters, some people trying to get into the good graces of the Uniparty, some people are probably scared & might be trying a little too hard to "remember" & Trump might be a bad friend to those he works with. 

    Like most arguments the truth is probably somewhere in the middle but that's no good for TV. 

    Why didn't the committee have the Secret Service agents in question present when Cassidy was giving this testimony? That way they could verify or debunk what happened. Doing it the way they did makes me feel like we will see a statement in a few days from the agents disputing it all but it will largely go unnoticed and certainly not included in the official congressional record immediately following Cassidy's testimony, it will probably just be a footnote buried in the rest of the corrections.  

     


    Secret Service will testify that he did not attempt to grab the wheel, but he was very iratein the car.  

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    Its all over now


    https://mobile.twitter.com/ThatmattersNews/status/1542115671198294017

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    srossi wrote: Papa Voo wrote: KGB wrote: Superstar wrote: It was never meant to be peaceful. Virtually everybody that went to it was wound up by Trump for weeks. I think Trump should bear a brunt of the responsibility for it also. And no, I don't think it was a mass hysteria meant to overthrow the US Gov't, it was meant to keep Trump in control of it. The only agitators were the Trump supporters...I don't believe there were any plants in the crowd to fuck with them.

    Ray Epps.


    I never heard of him, but here is a news story on him. 

    https://www.nytimes.com/2022/05/05/us/jan-6-ray-epps-evidence.html


    You never heard of him because there’s nothing to hear. It’s conspiracy theory nonsense that’s been disproven. 


    More cop-sucking.  

    Meanwhile, over in Holland, farmers are up in arms over Globohomo's plans to shut down large swaths of agriculture as a sacrifice to Gaia.  This has resulted in large-scale protests by farmers.  Here's video of how the elites plan to discredit the protesters: by sending undercover cops into their midst to cause trouble.  It's kind of hard to deny it in this case when, after being sussed out by the crowd, they run for the safety of a police van.  But only a conspiracy theorist would think this could happen in the home of the free.  

    https://www.youtube.com/shorts/1RfkH9hvIyA

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    AOC speaks about that day


    https://mobile.twitter.com/AOC/status/1547426024316616705

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    Franchise wrote: AOC speaks about that day


    https://mobile.twitter.com/AOC/status/1547426024316616705


    She mentions a person yelling, but there is no one yelling in that video at all.  Yeah, there's a guy blurting out "gotcha" words at her, but he's actually quite subdued.  

    Not like the great Alex Stein, who gave her shit earlier in the day and caused her to melt down on Twitter.  She tweeted that when she approached Stein it was because she was going to "deck him" but she had an important vote to get to so she posed for a selfie instead.  

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_R67tpqSjeE

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    KGB wrote

    More cop-sucking.  

    Meanwhile, over in Holland, farmers are up in arms over Globohomo's plans to shut down large swaths of agriculture as a sacrifice to Gaia.  This has resulted in large-scale protests by farmers.  Here's video of how the elites plan to discredit the protesters: by sending undercover cops into their midst to cause trouble.  It's kind of hard to deny it in this case when, after being sussed out by the crowd, they run for the safety of a police van.  But only a conspiracy theorist would think this could happen in the home of the free.  

    https://www.youtube.com/shorts/1RfkH9hvIyA
    When something like this does happen here the pigs wouldn't have a thing to worry about. The boot licking is so ingrained into the Murican psyche that nothing would cause your average citizen to go against the blue. 19 babies are murdered because of police cowardness and ineptitude. Sure, we have some TV talking heads clutching their pearls during strongly worded segments. We have some angry Reddit and Twitter posts and tweets. But after that? Nothing, not a goddamned thing. The police chief is now a councilman, not one pig was fired or even reprimanded for it. Later this week, someone will probably post a video of a pig playing basketball with some black kids and this will prove once and for all that all cops are just the bestest people on earth and we have to let the healing begin. 
    We get what we deserve.

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    It does happen here, except it's the federal cops and not your local pigs.  For evidence, look at the Gretchen Whitmer "kidnapping" case.  And I can't imagine the naïveté required to think there weren't any agent provocateurs on the ground during January 6th.  

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    KGB wrote: And I can't imagine the naïveté required to think there weren't any agent provocateurs on the ground during January 6th.  Agree 110%

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    Look at the BLM riots and the agent provocateurs in clear recordings breaking windows in Minnesota and instigating the masses and nothing was ever done and nobody was ever identified.

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    Papa Voo wrote: Look at the BLM riots and the agent provocateurs in clear recordings breaking windows in Minnesota and instigating the masses and nothing was ever done and nobody was ever identified.


    I love how that got characterized as 'mostly peaceful protests'



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    beejmi wrote: Papa Voo wrote: Look at the BLM riots and the agent provocateurs in clear recordings breaking windows in Minnesota and instigating the masses and nothing was ever done and nobody was ever identified.


    I love how that got characterized as 'mostly peaceful protests'



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    For what it's worth, Tucker did a segment last night on Ray Epps.  If you don't know who he is, or if you've only read the dismissive, sympathetic pieces in the state-run media, it's a good primer on why his name won't go away.  

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_R67tpqSjeE

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    And thats just it for me.

    If the Democrat party/Biden etc didn't want me to vote for Trump in 2024 then get in there and get this country running right.

    But no. Trump Trump Trump. Revenge revenge revenge.

    I'm not saying I'd vote for Trump in 2024 but I am saying it won't be for a continuation of this nonsense.

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    beejmi wrote: And thats just it for me.

    If the Democrat party/Biden etc didn't want me to vote for Trump in 2024 then get in there and get this country running right.

    But no. Trump Trump Trump. Revenge revenge revenge.

    I'm not saying I'd vote for Trump in 2024 but I am saying it won't be for a continuation of this nonsense.

    Most think that Trump is just about the only person who Biden can beat. Trump is so divisive and such a disaster that few who don’t already have positive feelings for him would switch. If Trump’s who can handle sitting this one out and letting DeSantis or anyone else take the GOP forward, then many who voted for Biden would probably switch just because of inflation and supply chain issues, the stuff that actually affects real lower and middle class lives on a daily basis. 

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    Trump vs Kamala

    Who you got?

    It could come down to that.

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    beejmi wrote: Trump vs Kamala

    Who you got?

    It could come down to that.
    Jesus Christ, that's like asking if you want your leg broken in five places or your arm broken in 5 places.

    If Trump runs and doesn't win then I hope everyone is prepared for another round of "the fix was in, rigged election" to be on parade.
    Better yet, what if he doesn't get the Republican nomination? Does he accuse the conventioneers of rigging it?

    Until everyone down there gets past all that, you're looking at an endless cycle of "election was rigged" for decades, and I don't see a candidate for either party being able to win a resounding victory to break the cycle, like Reagan - Mondale would have should this have been going on back then. Party loayalty is too entrenched for that to happen now.

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    khawk wrote: beejmi wrote: Trump vs Kamala

    Who you got?

    It could come down to that.
    Jesus Christ, that's like asking if you want your leg broken in five places or your arm broken in 5 places.

    If Trump runs and doesn't win then I hope everyone is prepared for another round of "the fix was in, rigged election" to be on parade.
    Better yet, what if he doesn't get the Republican nomination? Does he accuse the conventioneers of rigging it?


    Do you really need to ask?  Has Trump ever graciously accepted anything?  We need to let the adults start governing again and get away from the soap opera shit. It’s exhausting but more importantly than that, it does real damage to our country. And oh, by the way, inflation and the supply side issues started under Trump’s disastrous policies and were exacerbated by Biden continuing to do most of the same shit. Writing blank checks during the pandemic and using Bernie Sanders‘ playbook when it comes to tariffs and protectionism is why we’re here now, and Trump did it. And everyone said it was going to happen, and it did. But that’s hard for either side to focus on when you have the daily tweet of the day and made-up election fraud issues and riots at the Capitol. Fortunately he didn’t have many actual policies, but the ones he did have were a fucking disaster. Of course Biden agreed with most of them. But Trump is an “outsider”.

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    When has a “billionaire” ever been an outsider? That’s the part that kills me. Trump is for the people. LMFAO. It’s like those episodes on the old Dallas TV show when J.R. was calling himself the Workingman’s Friend. Total bullshit.

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    It costs so much money to campaign for any office in the US now that unless we get true campaign finance reform, all we will ever get is plutocracy or oligarchy.

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    srossi wrote: khawk wrote: beejmi wrote: Trump vs Kamala

    Who you got?

    It could come down to that.
    Jesus Christ, that's like asking if you want your leg broken in five places or your arm broken in 5 places.

    If Trump runs and doesn't win then I hope everyone is prepared for another round of "the fix was in, rigged election" to be on parade.
    Better yet, what if he doesn't get the Republican nomination? Does he accuse the conventioneers of rigging it?


    Do you really need to ask?  Has Trump ever graciously accepted anything?  We need to let the adults start governing again and get away from the soap opera shit. It’s exhausting but more importantly than that, it does real damage to our country. And oh, by the way, inflation and the supply side issues started under Trump’s disastrous policies and were exacerbated by Biden continuing to do most of the same shit. Writing blank checks during the pandemic and using Bernie Sanders‘ playbook when it comes to tariffs and protectionism is why we’re here now, and Trump did it. And everyone said it was going to happen, and it did. But that’s hard for either side to focus on when you have the daily tweet of the day and made-up election fraud issues and riots at the Capitol. Fortunately he didn’t have many actual policies, but the ones he did have were a fucking disaster. Of course Biden agreed with most of them. But Trump is an “outsider”.



    I thought Biden & Harris were a return to normalcy because they were the adults in the room. 

    I don't see a way that this country ever gives up the political drama. There are too many clicks for a video that has AOC clapping after every word and too many news articles to write about Trump's latest scandal. 

    The fraud narrative isn't going away either for those that want to yell about it especially with the Wisconsin SC recently ruling that the voting drop boxes are unconstitutional. 

    To answer Beej's question though I'd Take Trump over Harris but Desantis over Trump. Desantis is better at navigating the culture war, has military experience and does a better job of handling the press. 
     

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    gwlee7 wrote: When has a “billionaire” ever been an outsider? That’s the part that kills me. Trump is for the people. LMFAO. It’s like those episodes on the old Dallas TV show when J.R. was calling himself the Workingman’s Friend. Total bullshit.


    I always thought outsider was the wrong term, he was more of an insurgent candidate. He said stuff the uniparty didn't want him to say and did things they didn't want him to do. The leak that the Pentagon lied to him about how many troops were still in Syria so he couldn't take them all out was the perfect example in my mind. 

    Trump actually being for the people isn't as important as the inspiration he gave people to stand up for themselves and to search out community. I've never been to a Trump rally and never will, but I know a few who have, and they say it's like a sporting event; people tailgating, cheering, booing and having a great time. People make connections and stay in touch with one another.  

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    Franchise wrote: srossi wrote: khawk wrote: beejmi wrote: Trump vs Kamala

    Who you got?

    It could come down to that.
    Jesus Christ, that's like asking if you want your leg broken in five places or your arm broken in 5 places.

    If Trump runs and doesn't win then I hope everyone is prepared for another round of "the fix was in, rigged election" to be on parade.
    Better yet, what if he doesn't get the Republican nomination? Does he accuse the conventioneers of rigging it?


    Do you really need to ask?  Has Trump ever graciously accepted anything?  We need to let the adults start governing again and get away from the soap opera shit. It’s exhausting but more importantly than that, it does real damage to our country. And oh, by the way, inflation and the supply side issues started under Trump’s disastrous policies and were exacerbated by Biden continuing to do most of the same shit. Writing blank checks during the pandemic and using Bernie Sanders‘ playbook when it comes to tariffs and protectionism is why we’re here now, and Trump did it. And everyone said it was going to happen, and it did. But that’s hard for either side to focus on when you have the daily tweet of the day and made-up election fraud issues and riots at the Capitol. Fortunately he didn’t have many actual policies, but the ones he did have were a fucking disaster. Of course Biden agreed with most of them. But Trump is an “outsider”.



    I thought Biden & Harris were a return to normalcy because they were the adults in the room. 

     

    Biden is such an adult he’s back in diapers and unable to eat solid foods again. Maybe we need less of an adult then. 

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    There is too much money to be made in campaign advertising right now for there to be a return to normalcy. Over $2 billion was spent on national elections in 2020. To me, Fox News and CNN are simply opponents in a scripted match no different than anything from ‘rasslin.

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    The Trump speech outtakes reveal it all. Lol

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    Josh Hawley fleeing was the best.

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    Bannon found guilty on 2 counts of of contempt of Congress.

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    gwlee7 wrote: Josh Hawley fleeing was the best.

    The best? that's pretty strong praise 

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    Franchise wrote: gwlee7 wrote: Josh Hawley fleeing was the best. The best? that's pretty strong praise  Considering all of his tough macho talk and act yes.   He ran faster than brave Sir Robin in Monty Python and the Holy Grail.   

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    srossi wrote: Bannon found guilty on 2 counts of of contempt of Congress.
    How could there have been any other outcome?

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    srossi wrote: Bannon found guilty on 2 counts of of contempt of Congress.

    Comments from Tulsi 

    https://mobile.twitter.com/TulsiGabbard/status/1550796334185283584?cxt=HHwWgIC8oZXDxIUrAAAA

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    gwlee7 wrote: Franchise wrote: gwlee7 wrote: Josh Hawley fleeing was the best. The best? that's pretty strong praise  Considering all of his tough macho talk and act yes.   He ran faster than brave Sir Robin in Monty Python and the Holy Grail.   

    I saw the short clip, is there more to it or just that bit? 

    I thought there were some interesting moments that day from the AOC stuff that doesnt align with the actual time of the events, the politicians laying on the floor in the chamber and in one picture a politician appearing to be literally clutching their pearls

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    Our descent into the status of a third-world banana republic took a giant leap closer to fruition tonight, as the FBI swarmed Mar-A-Lago.  If you haven't been paying attention, this nation's justice and intelligence departments are now paramilitary arms of the ruling class and as my esteemed Senator Chuck Schumer said not that long ago, they have "six ways from Sunday" to get you.  

    Are the Cloud People assuming that this will take the starch out of the sorts of people who strolled into their Capitol building on January 6?  Because I have the feeling this will only escalate things even more.  



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