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"Tales From the Territories", which will be exactly what it sounds like, will premiere on Vice TV on Oct. 4, co-produced by The Rock and the creators of "Dark Side of the Ring".  It seems that The Rock will also be the narrator/host.  Word is that "Dark Side" is also coming back for Season 4 later in the year, but this will be the focus first.  

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Well, isn't that nice of him.

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Guess Dark Side of the Ring will not be doing one on Rocky Johnson.

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bpickering wrote: Guess Dark Side of the Ring will not be doing one on Rocky Johnson.LOL! maybe that's how the DSOTR producers got him to co-produce the Territories series!

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I forgot this was on. It premiered last week and that episode will be replayed tonight before the new one. I set my DVR.

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srossi wrote: I forgot this was on. It premiered last week and that episode will be replayed tonight before the new one. I set my DVR.
Here the first show 
https://youtu.be/zQqWMYuwQ2s

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bpickering wrote: srossi wrote: I forgot this was on. It premiered last week and that episode will be replayed tonight before the new one. I set my DVR.
Here the first show 
https://youtu.be/zQqWMYuwQ2s


It's a decent show, but I was hoping for more. As soon as I heard "people believed back then" and "it's more of a performance today" my eyes rolled and I knew were in for the same tall tales and old carneys still working the marks. I know Jon Boucher was doing research for the show, and it was cool to see newspaper clippings to back up some of the stories, but they got away will all the old bullshit that can't be proven. I think it's pretty much accepted that the Mario Galento losing his eye story isn't true, but here it was again. I was hoping for something more, but I guess that this is as good as you are ever going to get from old-time 'rasslers. It's still entertaining, because these guys are great at telling stories. But it's mostly just stories. I guess "Tales From the Territories" is an accurate descroption.

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This is all well and good. But it's not made for guys like us on the beej board. I'm sure that even if every territory is covered, they can't tell us anything we don't already know. Great show for casuals, but virtually everything has been done.

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Kriss wrote: bpickering wrote: srossi wrote: I forgot this was on. It premiered last week and that episode will be replayed tonight before the new one. I set my DVR.
Here the first show 
https://youtu.be/zQqWMYuwQ2s


It's a decent show, but I was hoping for more. As soon as I heard "people believed back then" and "it's more of a performance today" my eyes rolled and I knew were in for the same tall tales and old carneys still working the marks. I know Jon Boucher was doing research for the show, and it was cool to see newspaper clippings to back up some of the stories, but they got away will all the old bullshit that can't be proven. I think it's pretty much accepted that the Mario Galento losing his eye story isn't true, but here it was again. I was hoping for something more, but I guess that this is as good as you are ever going to get from old-time 'rasslers. It's still entertaining, because these guys are great at telling stories. But it's mostly just stories. I guess "Tales From the Territories" is an accurate descroption.

It's literally just a roundtable of wrestlers telling stories like RF Video would sell, and not much better produced.  It's fine for what it is.  I'm not sure what else people were expecting.

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WongLee wrote: This is all well and good. But it's not made for guys like us on the beej board. I'm sure that even if every territory is covered, they can't tell us anything we don't already know. Great show for casuals, but virtually everything has been done.
Maybe you heard about it, but the one story that was new to me was the symphony match that's supposedly in the Smithsonian. 

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srossi wrote: WongLee wrote: This is all well and good. But it's not made for guys like us on the beej board. I'm sure that even if every territory is covered, they can't tell us anything we don't already know. Great show for casuals, but virtually everything has been done.
Maybe you heard about it, but the one story that was new to me was the symphony match that's supposedly in the Smithsonian. 
I'm pretty sure I have that on video someplace.

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srossi wrote: WongLee wrote: This is all well and good. But it's not made for guys like us on the beej board. I'm sure that even if every territory is covered, they can't tell us anything we don't already know. Great show for casuals, but virtually everything has been done.
Maybe you heard about it, but the one story that was new to me was the symphony match that's supposedly in the Smithsonian. 

I remember Dutch writing about it in his column in the mag that Apter was with in the 90s after he left PWI.

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BuddyPSHayes wrote: srossi wrote: WongLee wrote: This is all well and good. But it's not made for guys like us on the beej board. I'm sure that even if every territory is covered, they can't tell us anything we don't already know. Great show for casuals, but virtually everything has been done.
Maybe you heard about it, but the one story that was new to me was the symphony match that's supposedly in the Smithsonian. 

I remember Dutch writing about it in his column in the mag that Apter was with in the 90s after he left PWI.

WOW?

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For those that haven't heard it, here's a radio call in show with Mario Galento not long after this happened.  No mention of having his eye pulled out.  From what I understand, the idea that Jerry Jarrett could have done that to Mario GAlento is ridiculous.  The radio show is interesting,  Galento exposes wrestling and talks about how he can't wrestle in Tennessee anymore.  Mentions the in ring attack

Mario Galento interview from 1974 "exposing The Business" - YouTube


Side note.  Does anybody know who is selling these 60s, 70s photos on ebay?  A bunch not really seen widely before (not to me anyway).  Pictures of a young Big Bad John, Count Drummer, some 70s mid card guys I'm not familiar with.
It sort of reinforces the Tales from the Territories show that things were not seen as a joke back then.  People really believed they were seeing a contest when Mr. Kleen got in the ring.

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srossi wrote: BuddyPSHayes wrote: srossi wrote: WongLee wrote: This is all well and good. But it's not made for guys like us on the beej board. I'm sure that even if every territory is covered, they can't tell us anything we don't already know. Great show for casuals, but virtually everything has been done.
Maybe you heard about it, but the one story that was new to me was the symphony match that's supposedly in the Smithsonian. 

I remember Dutch writing about it in his column in the mag that Apter was with in the 90s after he left PWI.

WOW?

Yeah, that's it.

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Episode 2 is on Andy Kaufman. We’ve seen and heard it all before, except what was new for me was the announcement of his death on Memphis TV by Lance followed by Lawler staying in character basically saying “Sorry he died but I never liked him.” I never saw that clip before so that was pretty interesting.

So my question is what was the deal with Foxy? If the other women were legit, and they seemed to be, surely she was a plant. Lawler keeps kayfabe on this one and says she wasn’t, but they do real spots. Did she ever work anywhere else before or after?

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On next week's TALES FROM THE TERRITORIES, jaw-dropping and insane stories from the glory days of the AWA featuring Diamond Dallas Page, Madusa, Jim Brunzell, Greg Gagne and Ken Patera.

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bpickering wrote: On next week's TALES FROM THE TERRITORIES, jaw-dropping and insane stories from the glory days of the AWA featuring Diamond Dallas Page, Madusa, Jim Brunzell, Greg Gagne and Ken Patera.
DDP and Madusa missed the glory years, even the territory years, by a lot.  They’re names modern fans know so I get it, but not the best choices. 

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It’ll be the same-old same-old from the AWA crew, Greg with his super tall tales will dominate is my guess.

The only thing that has some intrigue is if they’ll talk about Patera’s McDonalds incident with Patera actually there, and maybe we get some insight from Ken himself. Every shoot I’ve ever seen where he’s been asked about it he gets almost violent about it even being asked.

Hard to think that wouldn’t be a topic.

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DDP and Madusa missed the glory years, even the territory years, by a lot.  They’re names modern fans know so I get it, but not the best choices. 
Polls done on college campuses showed that Stan Kowalski and Igor Vodik wouldn't pop the ratings as much as they hoped.

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WongLee wrote: srossi wrote:
DDP and Madusa missed the glory years, even the territory years, by a lot.  They’re names modern fans know so I get it, but not the best choices. 
Polls done on college campuses showed that Stan Kowalski and Igor Vodik wouldn't pop the ratings as much as they hoped.
You sure about that?  Stan Kowalski is making a push right now to become the #1 trending item on MySpace.

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On Flair's podcast and someplace else, Patera now claims that he was at McDonalds, was pissed they wouldn't serve him, then a group of teenagers pulled up throwing rocks through windows hit the McDonalds and he and Saito got blamed for it. I hope he says the same thing on the Dark Side Tv show.

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In the grand scheme of the AWA, the Patera incident isn't worth one extra minute of publicity, and Kenny hates the topic.   Ken and Brunzell are still somewhat close and I can see them talking about going through camp together and their battles for Verne and in Mid-Atlantic as part of their own career paths.  Verne will get the royal treatment here with 3 trainess from Class of '72 and two future stars Verne gave a foot in the door.  Without seeing the trailer, I sense I'll be disappointed compared to the Memphis episode.

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Looking at a post on facebook on the dark side of the ring they do talk about the McDonalds incident

An accomplished Olympic weightlifter, Ken Patera’s desire to win led him to great success in the wrestling ring, but it was another type of craving that got him in trouble one night in Wisconsin   revisits the AWA, this Tuesday at 10pm on vice tv

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I was there with Jim Cornette.

Jerry Lawler vs Andy Kaufman https://youtu.be/wP1vKOY4NCk

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Jerry Lawler's response to Andy Kaufman's death

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Next week on TALES FROM THE TERRITORIES will be on Championship wrestling from Florida

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dr_papufnik wrote: On Flair's podcast and someplace else, Patera now claims that he was at McDonalds, was pissed they wouldn't serve him, then a group of teenagers pulled up throwing rocks through windows hit the McDonalds and he and Saito got blamed for it. I hope he says the same thing on the Dark Side Tv show.
On the show, it's one teenager who was mad about being fired.  He never saw him throw the rock, but it must've been him because he was the only other person there.  Okay.

Brunzell calls him out to his face and said, "I love you like a brother, but I do believe you may have been the one throwing the 33-pound boulder because there's not many people alive you could throw that 8 to 10 feet."

Patera insisted it wasn't a big deal for anyone to throw it and starts getting hot.  And then Madusa says he definitely did it. 

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srossi wrote: dr_papufnik wrote: On Flair's podcast and someplace else, Patera now claims that he was at McDonalds, was pissed they wouldn't serve him, then a group of teenagers pulled up throwing rocks through windows hit the McDonalds and he and Saito got blamed for it. I hope he says the same thing on the Dark Side Tv show.
On the show, it's one teenager who was mad about being fired.  He never saw him throw the rock, but it must've been him because he was the only other person there.  Okay.

Brunzell calls him out to his face and said, "I love you like a brother, but I do believe you may have been the one throwing the 33-pound boulder because there's not many people alive you could throw that 8 to 10 feet."

Patera insisted it wasn't a big deal for anyone to throw it and starts getting hot.  And then Madusa says he definitely did it. 
But it wasn't so much the boulder that was the problem right? I think the things that got the pigs testy was him and Massa laying waste to their entire police department. If he would have let the cops take him in, he probably would have signed some autographs at the station house and been out by dawn. And no, I'm not saying "well if only he complied", just use a modicum of common sense.

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WongLee wrote: srossi wrote: dr_papufnik wrote: On Flair's podcast and someplace else, Patera now claims that he was at McDonalds, was pissed they wouldn't serve him, then a group of teenagers pulled up throwing rocks through windows hit the McDonalds and he and Saito got blamed for it. I hope he says the same thing on the Dark Side Tv show.
On the show, it's one teenager who was mad about being fired.  He never saw him throw the rock, but it must've been him because he was the only other person there.  Okay.

Brunzell calls him out to his face and said, "I love you like a brother, but I do believe you may have been the one throwing the 33-pound boulder because there's not many people alive you could throw that 8 to 10 feet."

Patera insisted it wasn't a big deal for anyone to throw it and starts getting hot.  And then Madusa says he definitely did it. 
But it wasn't so much the boulder that was the problem right? I think the things that got the pigs testy was him and Massa laying waste to their entire police department. If he would have let the cops take him in, he probably would have signed some autographs at the station house and been out by dawn. And no, I'm not saying "well if only he complied", just use a modicum of common sense.

It's obviously impossible to know what went down between drunken wrestlers and asshole cops.  Patera claimed they maced him for no reason and that's what started the fight.  He also claims he took out 10 of them with billy clubs by himself, which I doubt.  The cops might've come to the room that night looking for a fight, especially when they realized who they were talking to.  Or the wrestlers may have been drunk off their asses and just started swinging. 

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dr_papufnik wrote: For those that haven't heard it, here's a radio call in show with Mario Galento not long after this happened.  No mention of having his eye pulled out.  From what I understand, the idea that Jerry Jarrett could have done that to Mario GAlento is ridiculous.  The radio show is interesting,  Galento exposes wrestling and talks about how he can't wrestle in Tennessee anymore.  Mentions the in ring attack

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Side note.  Does anybody know who is selling these 60s, 70s photos on ebay?  A bunch not really seen widely before (not to me anyway).  Pictures of a young Big Bad John, Count Drummer, some 70s mid card guys I'm not familiar with.
It sort of reinforces the Tales from the Territories show that things were not seen as a joke back then.  People really believed they were seeing a contest when Mr. Kleen got in the ring.

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Just watched episode one. Sort of what I expected and it was OK for what it was. But thanks for that interview, I'd never heard of this before and it's pretty notable. Don't know if it caused much of a stir at the time? 

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If any of you guys like Jericho’s podcast, he has one with the two creators of the series. Was pretty good and kept my attention for the whole hour. I think it was from summertime but I just listened to it the other day.

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the squared circle wrote: If any of you guys like Jericho’s podcast, he has one with the two creators of the series. Was pretty good and kept my attention for the whole hour. I think it was from summertime but I just listened to it the other day.
These guys have turned this into a while franchise that has taken over most of Vice’s programming. I just heard they had a “Dark Side of Comedy” that just finished Season 1. I want to check that out. They also have “Dark Side of Football”, “Dark Side of the ‘90”, and 1 or 2 others. 

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For people like us is there anything new in the shows so far? I tried to watch and got fifteen minutes into the Memphis one. The whole "treated like it was real and a sport" thing is sometimes true. Then Lawler wrestles Frankenstein or the San Diego chicken

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dr_papufnik wrote: For people like us is there anything new in the shows so far? I tried to watch and got fifteen minutes into the Memphis one. The whole "treated like it was real and a sport" thing is sometimes true. Then Lawler wrestles Frankenstein or the San Diego chicken
There are clips here and there that I haven’t seen before, but if you’re on a message board like this you obviously will know the stories. I’m sure the show is great for most of its audience though. 

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srossi wrote: dr_papufnik wrote: For people like us is there anything new in the shows so far? I tried to watch and got fifteen minutes into the Memphis one. The whole "treated like it was real and a sport" thing is sometimes true. Then Lawler wrestles Frankenstein or the San Diego chicken
There are clips here and there that I haven’t seen before, but if you’re on a message board like this you obviously will know the stories. I’m sure the show is great for most of its audience though. 

Yeah, this. I've watched two episodes and I heard most of it before. Dark Side of the Ring had quite a bit that I hadn't heard before, especially as it went into the lesser known stories like Kanyon and Bruiser Bedlam.

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Last night's show was on Stampede, with the panel being Bret Hart, Abdullah the Butcher, David Schultz, and "No Class" Bobby Bass. They told the old Mabel rib, which I think everyone has heard of by now, but there were a few other good stories. Bret blamed Bad News Allen for killing the territory in December 1983 by causing Stu to lose his license in 2 towns in 2 nights for attacking fans in the middle of the Archie Gouldie feud, and getting himself suspended and causing Ed Whalen to quit. Not sure how true that is.  A quick look at Cagematch shows that the feud did indeed kick off in Dec. 1983 and on Dec. 23, Gouldie beat him for the N.A. title, at which point Allen went back to Japan and wasn't seen in Stampede again for 3 months.  Whether that was a planned break or Allen needing to leave the territory, I don't know. Bret said that feud was supposed to carry them for months and Allen ruined it and that basically led to Stu giving up and selling to Vince in the summer of 1984.

Anyway, I enjoyed the Gouldie promo clips though, he's one of those guys I haven't seen a ton of, but I know he drew a lot of money in Canada and in the South, and he seemed like a really good promo.

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Jim_Irish wrote: Looking forward to that one. Bobby Bass is a name I only know from old magazines, don't think I've ever even seen a picture of him.
Bret had a great line at the end of the show.  Something like, "Stampede made all of us stars, and Bobby, you tried your best."  LOL

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Just watched it and hadn't seen your post. I laughed at that one myself.

Abby looks like he lost a lot of weight since the last time I saw him on anything.

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Abby looks like he lost a lot of weight since the last time I saw him on anything.Hes pretty old and not doing very well..."caregiver" issues too.

The Bad News Brown - Archie Gouldie Stampede thing sounds familiar and I may have read about it many moons ago in McCoy's Stampede book.

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Is that book good?

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It was a long time ago that I read it but I remember it being very good, yeah. I’d recommend it for sure.

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Did the Florida episode have any new insight into Eddie Graham's suicide? Supposedly had to shoot himself twice and all that.
I guess next up is Polynesian Pro Wrestling. I wonder, since Rock produces the show, if they'll go into the story about the guy who tried to run opposition and Lia Maiva sent goons to scare him to death. I guess she eventually told him he could run the show if he paid them ten grand for I guess running his own show opposition, rented their equipment, and booking two or three people she told him to book. Guy went to the cops and wore a wire. Lars Anderson and Maiva went to trial for extortion but were found not guilty. Wonder if Lars Anderson will be on the show.

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dr_papufnik wrote: Did the Florida episode have any new insight into Eddie Graham's suicide? Supposedly had to shoot himself twice and all that.
I guess next up is Polynesian Pro Wrestling. I wonder, since Rock produces the show, if they'll go into the story about the guy who tried to run opposition and Lia Maiva sent goons to scare him to death. I guess she eventually told him he could run the show if he paid them ten grand for I guess running his own show opposition, rented their equipment, and booking two or three people she told him to book. Guy went to the cops and wore a wire. Lars Anderson and Maiva went to trial for extortion but were found not guilty. Wonder if Lars Anderson will be on the show.

Since that's a storyline in "Young Rock" (albeit it a very sanitized version I'm sure), I have no doubt that it will be mentioned.

And the Florida episode didn't go into detail about Graham's suicide, just that he ran into money problems and killed himself.

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dr_papufnik wrote: Did the Florida episode have any new insight into Eddie Graham's suicide? Supposedly had to shoot himself twice and all that.
No. They did go into a few stories about his drinking and how he'd been off the drink for years and went out on his boat with Keirn and (I think) Mike and he just started drinking like crazy when he saw them shotgunning cans of beer.


There was some nice footage which I hadn't seen before, of Eddie supporting local community stuff. 

I'd love if Tim Hornbaker or someone of that calibre did a book on Eddie and maybe Jerry too. 

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srossi wrote: dr_papufnik wrote: Did the Florida episode have any new insight into Eddie Graham's suicide? Supposedly had to shoot himself twice and all that.
I guess next up is Polynesian Pro Wrestling. I wonder, since Rock produces the show, if they'll go into the story about the guy who tried to run opposition and Lia Maiva sent goons to scare him to death. I guess she eventually told him he could run the show if he paid them ten grand for I guess running his own show opposition, rented their equipment, and booking two or three people she told him to book. Guy went to the cops and wore a wire. Lars Anderson and Maiva went to trial for extortion but were found not guilty. Wonder if Lars Anderson will be on the show.

Since that's a storyline in "Young Rock" (albeit it a very sanitized version I'm sure), I have no doubt that it will be mentioned.

And the Florida episode didn't go into detail about Graham's suicide, just that he ran into money problems and killed himself.

So Lars Anderson's version of the story is that Lia Maivia was simply asking for a "booking fee" to use some of her talents, which was common business practice, and there was no extortion or attempt to put him out of business.  And NWA President Bob Geigel had to fly into Hawaii to testify to this during the trial and he helped get her off.  Somehow, I think there was more to it than that.

The part of the story I never heard of before, which makes it even more fishy, is that Gordon Solie was making overtures about Florida coming in to encroach on the territory.  And Lars told him that it would be dangerous for him to do so, and Solie took that as a threat and wound up testifying against them too.  But of course that was also a big understanding because Lars just meant that the Samoan population could be dangerous to outsiders, as if Solie of all people was too dumb to know the difference between that and a threat.  Even Kevin Sullivan didn't know how Solie got involved in this trial, and I had no idea about that either. 

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So do the wrestlers being interviewed, they can make all kinds of crazy stories up and nobody will know any better to call them on their bullshit. 

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Yeah there is a lot of bullshit in this show. I did like this week's episode mainly because I knew almost nothing of the wrestling scene in Hawaii.

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Is this available to watch, legally, on youtube or a website where you could purchase individual episodes? Dark Side of the Ring was like that for a while and I was able to but the episodes I wanted. Can't find that for this one

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Good episode on Portland this week, much of it new to me. Lots of Buddy Rose in this one. Mike Masters is on the panel and died shortly after, which is a shock because he looked like a million bucks still.

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srossi wrote: Good episode on Portland this week, much of it new to me. Lots of Buddy Rose in this one. Mike Masters is on the panel and died shortly after, which is a shock because he looked like a million bucks still.Best episode so far and you weren't lying; Masters looked and sounded great. 

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One question: what the hell was the story with Don Owen's wig? It was towards the end when they showed a brief clip of him announcing Portland was finished on TV. Did he were it regularly? It was ridiculous.

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bpickering wrote: WCCW: Wrestling's Lone Star Legacy |Tales From TheTerritories S1E8

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For some reason they rewrote history with Kerry/Flair, saying it was a WWF-style cage match where the first man to leave the ring was the winner. 100% false.

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BuddyPSHayes wrote: bpickering wrote: WCCW: Wrestling's Lone Star Legacy |Tales From TheTerritories S1E8

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For some reason they rewrote history with Kerry/Flair, saying it was a WWF-style cage match where the first man to leave the ring was the winner. 100% false.

Also, David Manning is crediting himself for the angle, although all I've heard befors this was Gary Hart came up with it and left shortly afterward upon being stiffed for his payoff from the show.

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One Fan Gang wrote: BuddyPSHayes wrote: bpickering wrote: WCCW: Wrestling's Lone Star Legacy |Tales From TheTerritories S1E8

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For some reason they rewrote history with Kerry/Flair, saying it was a WWF-style cage match where the first man to leave the ring was the winner. 100% false.

Also, David Manning is crediting himself for the angle, although all I've heard befors this was Gary Hart came up with it and left shortly afterward upon being stiffed for his payoff from the show.

Manning was head booker for only a brief time around '86-'87.

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Just watched the World Class one. Chris Adams super kicked a guy's eye out? The cops filled up David Manning's gun with bullets?

Hmmm....my bullshit meter is going off more for this episode.

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Jim_Irish wrote: Just watched the World Class one. Chris Adams super kicked a guy's eye out? The cops filled up David Manning's gun with bullets?

Hmmm....my bullshit meter is going off more for this episode.

Manning has told that story many times before, including at the Ric Flair Roast. It’s usually about the same but with more details thrown in, and that part was new to me. Obviously he’s embellished it a lot over the decades, but the basic premise appears to be true. 

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BuddyPSHayes wrote: bpickering wrote: WCCW: Wrestling's Lone Star Legacy |Tales From TheTerritories S1E8

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For some reason they rewrote history with Kerry/Flair, saying it was a WWF-style cage match where the first man to leave the ring was the winner. 100% false.
That's a bizarre re-write in the sense it's the most easily checkable.

Doesn't make me want to waste my time watching it now. That's just absurd even by pro wres bullshit roundtable standards.

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khawk wrote: BuddyPSHayes wrote: bpickering wrote: WCCW: Wrestling's Lone Star Legacy |Tales From TheTerritories S1E8

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For some reason they rewrote history with Kerry/Flair, saying it was a WWF-style cage match where the first man to leave the ring was the winner. 100% false.
That's a bizarre re-write in the sense it's the most easily checkable.

Doesn't make me want to waste my time watching it now. That's just absurd even by pro wres bullshit roundtable standards.

They just legitimately made a mistake. It should’ve been taken out in editing. The clips they aired clearly show Hayes trying to get Kerry to pin Flair, which is where their conflict started. These are old guys who have seen thousands of matches, they just fucked up. Chavo Guerrero, Jr. served as the moderator for this one, and someone who was more of a wrestling historian in that role could’ve made sure that error didn’t happen too. 

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That makes it sound a little more reasonable. I thought it might have been a voiceover of some sort.

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I'd like to see a Liar's Club Roundtable Battle Royal with 20 or so pundits like they use here.  Fact-checkers look on and get to point out bullshit, eliminating each one until the most honest remains.  At most it would last about 7 minutes, long enough for everyone to say something at least once...and would usually spell their elimination immediately.

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A lot of it is bullshit but a lot is also the fact that these guys are mostly in their late 60s and 70s now talking about stuff from 40 years ago that quite frankly they don’t care about nearly as much as us hardcore fans do. It was all just another day at the office for them, especially in the territories.

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srossi wrote: A lot of it is bullshit but a lot is also the fact that these guys are mostly in their late 60s and 70s now talking about stuff from 40 years ago that quite frankly they don’t care about nearly as much as us hardcore fans do. It was all just another day at the office for them, especially in the territories.

I think I was hoping for a little more from this series than just taking old timey carneys on their word as to what happened. They did have at least one wrestling historian working on the show, but they might have been relegated to only finding newspaper clippings to back up the stories, rather than fact check. But this is TV, where entertainment trumps the truth every time.

Sometimes it's hard to work out the difference between an outright lie, an embellishment and just someone filling in the gaps of something they don't really remember.

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The new episode on Jim Crockett Promotions this week features a roundtable of six: Jim Cornette, Ricky Morton, Arn Anderson, Baby Doll, David Crockett and Nikita Koloff.   I hope the latter two discuss the Russian Sickle angle prior to Bash 1985 leading to David being special referee for Nikita vs. Flair.

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One Fan Gang wrote: The new episode on Jim Crockett Promotions this week features a roundtable of six: Jim Cornette, Ricky Morton, Arn Anderson, Baby Doll, David Crockett and Nikita Koloff.   I hope the latter two discuss the Russian Sickle angle prior to Bash 1985 leading to David being special referee for Nikita vs. Flair.
They didn’t discuss that and this was the least interesting episode to me because all the stories and clips were so incredibly familiar. Nothing new at all. The plane crash, the scaffold match where Cornette tore his ACL, the riot after the the Horsemen destroyed Dusty in the cage, it’s all been covered as nauseum. Cornette and Koloff were not part of the round table although there were extensive interview clips of them used. 

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srossi wrote: One Fan Gang wrote: The new episode on Jim Crockett Promotions this week features a roundtable of six: Jim Cornette, Ricky Morton, Arn Anderson, Baby Doll, David Crockett and Nikita Koloff.   I hope the latter two discuss the Russian Sickle angle prior to Bash 1985 leading to David being special referee for Nikita vs. Flair.
They didn’t discuss that and this was the least interesting episode to me because all the stories and clips were so incredibly familiar. Nothing new at all. The plane crash, the scaffold match where Cornette tore his ACL, the riot after the the Horsemen destroyed Dusty in the cage, it’s all been covered as nauseum. Cornette and Koloff were not part of the round table although there were extensive interview clips of them used. 

Another "lawsuit" from "O" Sullivan?

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The Mid-South panel was Jim Ross, Ted DiBiase, Jake Roberts, and Michael Hayes. I’m not sure how Hayes was allowed to do this by WWE, and why wasn’t he used for the World Class show instead?

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