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Here's all the matches I have listed for Koloff Stasiak and Iron Sheik. Because their reigns were so short results have been hard to come by. It's even harder to determine whether their matches were actual title matches so I hope we can clear some things up here.

Ivan Koloff

W                     Tony Marino                              20/01/1971                    Hammonton, NJ

W-P                  Lee Wong                                 21/01/1971                    Washington, DC

W                     Manuel Soto                             22/01/1971                    Cherry Hill, NJ

W                     Jean Dubois                             28/01/1971                    Washington, DC

W-COR             Gorilla Monsoon                        30/01/1971                    Philadelphia, PA

W-COR             Chief Jay Strongbow                 01/01/1971                    Allentown, PA

W-COR             Chief Jay Strongbow                 02/02/1971                    Scranton, PA

W                     Mike Conrad                              04/02/1971                    Washington, DC

W                     Jean Dubois                             06/02/1971                    Boston, MA

            *Koloff possibly won with a backbreaker submission.

L-P                   Pedro Morales                          08/02/1971                    New York, NY

 

 

Stan Stasiak

?                      Chief Jay Strongbow                 07/12/1973                    North Attleboro, MA

?                      Manuel Soto                             ??/12/1973                    Massachusetts

L-P                   Bruno Sammartino                     10/12/1973                    New York, NY

 

 

Iron Sheik

W-P                  Chief Jay Strongbow                 27/12/1983                    Lancaster, PA

W-S                  Salvatore Bellomo                     29/12/1983                    Landover, MD

 

1984

 

W                     Salvatore Bellomo                     02/01/1984                    Scranton, PA

W-P                  John Callahan                           03/01/1984                    Allentown, PA

W-DQ               Pat Patterson                            08/01/1984                    Cincinnati, OH

W-DQ               Pat Patterson                            09/01/1984                    Akron, OH

W                     Salvatore Bellomo                     12/01/1984                    Marlboro, MA

W                     Chief Jay Strongbow                 13/01/1984                    Bangor, ME

L-DQ                Bob Backlund                           14/01/1984                    Boston, MA

NC                    Bob Backlund                           18/01/1984                    Warren, OH

W                     Chief Jay Strongbow                 20/01/1984                    Pittsburgh, PA

DDQ                 Tito Santana                              21/01/1984                    Philadelphia, PA

W                     Chief Jay Strongbow                 22/01/1984                    Williamsport, PA

L-P                   Hulk Hogan                               23/01/1984                    New York, NY

            *Hogan substituted for injured Bob Backlund.

 

I'm more confident that the Iron Sheik results are pretty accurate. Just the Koloff and Stasiak matches.

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Great stuff Necrosis. Thanks for posting that.

I'm almost surprised Stasiak actually had any title defenses.

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I think some of it was a case of last minute booking. I was more surprised at how many defences Koloff had. I think all but maybe a couple of those matches were for the strap.

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Wonder how many people thought Strongbow was going to get the strap from Koloff or Stasiak, he would have been a strong contender surely?



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This is what I have for Stasiak.

December 1, 1973  Philadelphia, PA
Stan Stasiak pinned WWWF World Champion Pedro Morales

December 4, 1973  Philadelphia, PA  TV Tapings

December 5, 1973  Hamburg, PA  TV Tapings

December 6, 1973 Worcester, MA
Pedro Morales, Chief Jay Strongbow beat Stan Stasiak, Blackjack Lanza

December 7, 1973 North Attleboro, MA
Stan Stasiak DDQ Chief Jay Strongbow

 

December 10, 1973  New York City, NY
Bruno Sammartino pinned WWWF World Champion Stan Stasiak

 

I have been also working on Stasiak's Title run.   The WWWF wasn't running on Sundays in many states.  So you can almost eliminate the 2nd and the 9th.   This only leaves most likely the 3rd and the 8th.    Basically were missing a Monday and a Saturday.   Im leaning towards the monday beloning to North Dartmouth, MA.  But NJ was running mondays also a lot.   I started researching that town and am working backwards with it.  They were running every 3 weeks on Mondays. The WWWF was running in the state of Massachusets more than any other state it seems for various towns. 

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The November 30, 1973 match in Albany, NY the night before Stan won the title, was actually a indian strap match against Strongbow, which Stan was DQ'd in, for breaking the strap.

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Not too long ago on WWE 24/7 they had the Iron Shiek defending the WWF title, and they  gave the impression it was the only title defense of his that was taped.



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Referring to Sheik vs Santana ? That definitely exists on video. Iron Sheik vs John Callahan (TV taping defense) definitely exists also.

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Ron wrote: I have been also working on Stasiak's Title run.   The WWWF wasn't running on Sundays in many states.  So you can almost eliminate the 2nd and the 9th.   This only leaves most likely the 3rd and the 8th.    Basically were missing a Monday and a Saturday.   Im leaning towards the monday beloning to North Dartmouth, MA.  But NJ was running mondays also a lot.   I started researching that town and am working backwards with it.  They were running every 3 weeks on Mondays. The WWWF was running in the state of Massachusets more than any other state it seems for various towns. 


Great info again Ron, thanks. So, you think the match I have listed against Manuel Soto could be the match from the 3rd and held in North Dartmouth? With the booking consistencies you've discovered the WWWF booking it wouldn't surprise me if this is right.

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kargol wrote: Wonder how many people thought Strongbow was going to get the strap from Koloff or Stasiak, he would have been a strong contender surely?

Good guys held the belt so often in the old WWWF that when a good guy not named Sammartino or Backlund got a title match (like Tito Santana vs The Iron Sheik or guys getting matches vs Graham) - It was real easy to call it "A once in a lifetime opportunity ....and I am not going to let it slip away"

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Here's another for Ivan.

February 7, 1971 - North Attleboro, MA - Jack Witschi's Sports Arena

Tony Marino defeated Joe Turco
Toni Rose & Donna Christianello defeated Sharon Joy & Barbara Owens
Manny Soto NC Black Demon
Victor Rivera drew Crusher Verdu

WWWF Title Match:
Ivan Koloff DDQ Jay Strongbow

Here's a couple of tag team shots he had during his reign.

January 27, 1971 - Hammonton, NJ

Ivan Koloff & Black Demon W/COR Gorilla Monsoon & Manny Soto

January 29, 1971 - Harrisburg, PA - Zembo Mosque (att. 1133)

Gene DuBois beat Chuck Richards 11:47
Black Demon drew Jose Rivera 20:00
Blackjack Mulligan beat Arnold Skaaland 9:00
Ivan Koloff & Mongols NC Gorilla Monsoon & Pedro Morales & Jay Strongbow

1st Fall: Monsoon & Strongbow & Morales 7:15

2nd Fall: Mongols & Koloff 2:44

3rd Fall: Monsoon & Strongbow & Morales 2:56

4th Fall: Mongols & Koloff 3:42

5th Fall: No Contest



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In Ivan's book he mentions working Mario Milano on a TV taping and said they had him get pinned and then restarted the match in case Ivan tried to screw him.  I have never been able to find proof of that happening.  Scott Teal asked me about it when writing Ivan's book and I tried tom research it but found nothing.  Anyone ever able to confirm this?



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Count Grog wrote: In Ivan's book he mentions working Mario Milano on a TV taping and said they had him get pinned and then restarted the match in case Ivan tried to screw him.  I have never been able to find proof of that happening.  Scott Teal asked me about it when writing Ivan's book and I tried tom research it but found nothing.  Anyone ever able to confirm this?
The 3 Washington DC TV tapings taped during Ivan's reign have been documented by Ron Witmer's research. Doesn't seem to show him going up against Milano. However, I don't think any results have ever been posted for the Philadelphia Arena TV tapings in the same time frame.



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I will see if i can locate anything in the Philadelphia papers at this time fram from the arena.  I will try to do this in the next week or so.  Not sure if they covered the TV tapings at this time period, but I will find out.

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From Buddy Rogers in 1963 to Andre The Giant in 1988, there were three WWF "Transitional Champions". What amazes me is that Chief Jay Strongbow of all people was the only guy that wrestled all three.



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I remember listening to a Koloff shoot interview  and he mentions the match vs Mario Milano. I got the impression that it was an old match, from before his championship win, that they had taped and would use as a 'title switch' if Ivan didn't shut up and do what he was told.

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